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Hitokage said:Oh, and the political statement remark makes me want to readd the rolleyes.
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"I kept my promise"
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Add it. ADD IT!!!!!
I'll give you five dollars. And a milk dud.
A great seeking of attention is a sign of immaturity. I just think if it was always about respecting her wishes and letting her body go and be in peace, then you'd lbasically have a RIP sort of Tombstone. The issue seemed about dead to me and this will rile it up again. Now that she's passed just let her go.
etiolate said:
You see. That's the problem with your thinking; you think that it's immature to rile up attention, and that you think it was something to seek attention over.
It would be less mature to leave such a lasting mark on the basis of pressures from current events, than to leave a message that truly means something, that the husband can live with.
What was written on the tombstone will last far longer than any controversy that can be generated (unless some idiot decides to come along and smash it, but ignoring that).
That said, is what the tombstone says even the publics business? It's a very personal thing, and to have the public come down and make opinions and pass judgement over that kind of stuff, really speaks much worse about the public and the culture that allows such a thing to happen rather than what's on the tombstone itself (unless it's blatant; like, "Terry says fuck you to <insert protagonist names>" or some such).
The news really is shit, when you see these types of things been reported; journalistic integrity knows that all things should be made known and transperant, but at the same time, it shouldn't be oblivious to the fact that the news without a proper context (i.e. presented partially, is a spin in itself) can generate needless attention and behaviour.
I think the "Born, Departed, At Peace" elements to the marker are perfect. I don't think "I kept my promise" is appropriate, though.
IMO, a gravestone is about the person buried there, not about the person who buried them. So from this perspective, "I kept my promise" doesn't make much sense. If he wants to tell Terri he kept his promise, pray to her or whatever. If he wants to tell the world, he should will it and make sure his own gravestone reads that... and have an adjacent plot reserved.
That's my take, anyhow. I still think he did the absolute right thing through the case, but not really here.. but I'm not in his shoes and what's done is done..
IMO, a gravestone is about the person buried there, not about the person who buried them. So from this perspective, "I kept my promise" doesn't make much sense. If he wants to tell Terri he kept his promise, pray to her or whatever. If he wants to tell the world, he should will it and make sure his own gravestone reads that... and have an adjacent plot reserved.
That's my take, anyhow. I still think he did the absolute right thing through the case, but not really here.. but I'm not in his shoes and what's done is done..
How does the Tombstone help her?
I doubt that tombstone will last as long as the history books will. Infact, in Florida if I remember correctly, you basically lease out your burial ground. He won, he made his statement and he'll be remembered. The tombstone being there is statement enough of that. Personal messages are personal, to think this tombstone is not a public thing is rather naive.
Because people are transparent? Because he makes reference to himself on someone else's tombstone? Because it's needless?
Just think about it. Maybe it's not seeking attention, but it certainly doesn't put her soul to rest.
HE WON? HIS WIFE WAS IN A COMA FOR A DECADE. IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DID HE WIN ANYTHINGetiolate said:
so you're saying you think he is seeking attention because you have some special knowledge of his insides. ok, that is definitely a reasona- OH WAIT
ok, let's try again.
hey, when you call someone a 'wife', you are implying the existence of a husband. that is a reference to a third party. this makes no sense.
if you would like us to extrapolate that you have issue with him writing on the tombstone in the first person, i would argue that this is probably quite common, and i can't see what could be wrong with it.
what was needless? the tombstone? the grave?
a) what would you have him write on the tombstone?
b) WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, TELLING SOMEONE WHAT TO WRITE ON THEIR WIFE'S TOMBSTONE
yes, i agree, the evidence does not imply that he is "seeking attention", and since it is impossible to gather evidence in favor or against the notion of putting one's soul to rest, i have no idea how this helps your argument. i would guess that you are simply looking for ways to portray him as someone who is inappropriate and immoral. please do us all a favor, and stop.
Escape Goat
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Zaptruder said:
My point was that a tombstone is NOT the place to give a big FU to all the people that tried to keep her alive. This is all that is left of her and all that will show the world she has passed on. Its a symbol for her family. Yes, her parents were wrong but leave that in the past. This is something that shouldn't be dirtied with past dealings. Her parents were obviously misguided but I don't doubt they thought they loved their daughter. Afraid to lose her maybe so they held on.
I'd be pissed if my loved ones used my tombstone as a platform to piss off others.
fart said:
Just because it took a long time doesn't change the outcome. That's really silly.
"I kept my promise" Like someone said, you can put this on your tombstone, but using her tombstone in a a nahnahnahnah way is childish.
The message was needless.
I am not looking for ways to portray him as anything, I just found the Tombstone immature and disrespectful to her.
And yup, some people can be very transparent to me. Like how I can tell that there are people in this thread who see this Tombstone, knowing it's a guy the politically supported for months and now he goes and does something that sure seems rather prickish and childish. So they think to themselves, 'why there must be a reason, let me rationalize this out and try defend this guy though it has nothing to do with why I supported him.'
edit: fixing quote tags of death
teruterubozu
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Disrespecting her?- Man, it's way fucking too late. This whole media fiasco was disgusting.
We have got to be THE most bored motherfucking nation in the world - I swear.
We have got to be THE most bored motherfucking nation in the world - I swear.
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Depends what context you read it in. As a message to his wife "I kept my promise" is not offensive at all, he did keep his promise and it was a bitch to keep as well. Lesser men would have said "Fuck it then" and left the parents keeping a jellyfish alive.
As a message to the parents, it's quite mean. Nobody knows the spirit it was written in except that guy. However, from his actions sticking by her wishes for 15 years and having his name dragged through the mud over it, he's obviously a guy with principles and I think the message is sincere.
As a message to the parents, it's quite mean. Nobody knows the spirit it was written in except that guy. However, from his actions sticking by her wishes for 15 years and having his name dragged through the mud over it, he's obviously a guy with principles and I think the message is sincere.
talking head
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i kept my promise? what does that mean?
Escape Goat
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what happened on feb 25?
Zaptruder said:
Great post.
You get an interesting sense of how people felt about this case.... from the posts here... those of you who immediately think it's a shot at the parents... vs. those who think it's just Michael saying.. hey... I did what you asked me to babe...
And for the person who(s) said something to effect that gravestone quotes are usually something the person would have been saying themselves?
Eh no, visited a cemetary much in your lifetime(s)? It's whatever the family(or persons preparing the gravesite) choose it to be. From a quote, to a statement of the persons life to something like we will never forget you, etc...
talking head said:
Hey I've got this original idea.. how about reading the f'n article that's linked to it! Brilliant!
DarienA said:
Actually, the comment was "IMO, a gravestone is about the person buried there, not about the person who buried them."
And people say IMO is redundant...
Obviously, there are different takes, I just think:
a) sending a message to your dead wife through her tomb stone doesn't work, and
b) the message would have been much more poignant on his marker 40 years down the road.
But, as I also say in my original post: "but I'm not in his shoes and what's done is done.."
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Fuck.AniHawk said:
Baron Aloha
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I think the inscription on the grave marker is touching. Its obvious that he loved her very much.
Her parents think that Michael did this on purpose to upset them? Give me a break. The inscription is a goodbye msg between a husband and a wife. Their reaction to this just goes to show how self-centered they are IMO. They think everything is about them.
Her parents think that Michael did this on purpose to upset them? Give me a break. The inscription is a goodbye msg between a husband and a wife. Their reaction to this just goes to show how self-centered they are IMO. They think everything is about them.
Killkernal
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Meier said:
That's the first thing that popped in my head the moment I saw this thread. I'm picturing the whole off-Broadway comercial as I type.
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