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knitoe

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Littleberu said:
I read that not all the MBs are defective, but only those with a chipset by FOXCONN. Is it true? Is there a way to know who made the chipset?
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Incorrect. It's a design error with the Intel Sata chip. The fix MB will probably say Version 3 or highlight the it somewhere.
 
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MisterAnderson

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knitoe said:
You would want to run it for a few hours before going to sleep. Otherwise, your computer could crash an hour in, restart and you would have left your computer on all night for nothing.

Yes. The most recent bios should have the latest fix and optimization from all previous versions.
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So I woke up just now and was greeted with a "Windows has recovered from an unexpected shut down" window. It was running no problem for about an hour and a half before I went to sleep. Guess I'll try again with a bit more voltage. Should I also be scaling up the QPI/Vtt and I0H Core voltage if I'm increasing the CPU Vcore?

And can anyone answer my question about hyper-threading and multi-threading? Are they the same thing? The BIOS flash instructions tell me to disable hyper-threading in the BIOS if your processor supports it. All I can find in my BIOS is a enable/disable multi-threading option.
 
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knitoe

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MisterAnderson said:
So I woke up just now and was greeted with a "Windows has recovered from an unexpected shut down" window. It was running no problem for about an hour and a half before I went to sleep. Guess I'll try again with a bit more voltage. Should I also be scaling up the QPI/Vtt and I0H Core voltage if I'm increasing the CPU Vcore?

And can anyone answer my question about hyper-threading and multi-threading? Are they the same thing? The BIOS flash instructions tell me to disable hyper-threading in the BIOS if your processor supports it. All I can find in my BIOS is a enable/disable multi-threading option.
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Just need to add more voltage.

Don't have your MB, but, multi thread option seems to be the samething as hyper threading
 
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Paches

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Quick PC question for you guys on the subject of SSDs. I noticed from the link above on the Newegg sale there is a OCZ 120GB SSD for 200 bucks. My current rig is as follows:

GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I7870
OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1333LV4GK.NE
EVGA 768-P3-1362-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ...
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

I bought these parts last November and the only thing I brought over was the hard drive to the new build, so that is obviously the glaring problem. My question is how much of a performance boost am I going to see out of *gaming* alone. I have read a lot about SSDs speeding up boot times and making things snappier in general.

Should I snag that OCZ SSD on sale, or is there a better one for the $/per GB?

Thanks!

Edit: Link to the SSD I am talking about: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2411-_-EMC-022411-Index-_-SSD-_-20227593-L03D
 
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MisterAnderson

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Lol. I flashed the new BIOS since it was a long time coming (and thank god that I did that right and didn't screw up my computer), except now my 4GHz overclocked BIOS settings won't boot up (I get a black screen after the motherboard screen with a blinking underscore). I got 3.6 booted up fine...I'll continue trying different voltages until I hopefully am able to get into Windows on 4GHz.
 
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Dynamic3

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Paches-EJ- said:
Quick PC question for you guys on the subject of SSDs. I noticed from the link above on the Newegg sale there is a OCZ 120GB SSD for 200 bucks. My current rig is as follows:

GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I7870
OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1333LV4GK.NE
EVGA 768-P3-1362-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ...
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

I bought these parts last November and the only thing I brought over was the hard drive to the new build, so that is obviously the glaring problem. My question is how much of a performance boost am I going to see out of *gaming* alone. I have read a lot about SSDs speeding up boot times and making things snappier in general.

Should I snag that OCZ SSD on sale, or is there a better one for the $/per GB?

Thanks!

Edit: Link to the SSD I am talking about: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2411-_-EMC-022411-Index-_-SSD-_-20227593-L03D
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Wait, Anand just put out a preview of the Vertex 3, 550/525 at $249 for 128gb.

Not sure about the release date though.
 
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mkenyon

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I don't think waiting for new SSDs is totally worth it. The current ones are crazy fast, and at an awesome price point. I say go for it.
 
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Negator

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mkenyon said:
I don't think waiting for new SSDs is totally worth it. The current ones are crazy fast, and at an awesome price point. I say go for it.
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Even better idea: When a better SSD does come out, you can use your old one in your laptop!
 
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EMBee99

all that he wants is another baby
After seeing Skyrim and Battlefield 3, I figured now would be a great time to build a gaming-centric PC rig (I work on a Mac). I know how most of the guts work, but my last PC purchase was over five years ago, off-the-shelf, and didn't last too long.

So, from the OP:

Budget: around $1000, but I can go over for beneficial pieces/parts if need be.
Main Use: Gaming. As best as I can get for newer games.
Monitor Resolution: Minimum of 1440x900
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: DCUO, Starcraft 2 (for now)
Are reusing any parts?: Nope
When will you build?: Soonish, but I can wait
Will you be overclocking?: Yes (if it helps)

It seems like I could put most of my money into a higher-end video card (GTX 580?), but should I also go with a newer Intel processor (or is it all the same for gaming?). In the end, I want a rig I won't have to constantly upgrade YOY.

Thanks for the help.
 
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MisterAnderson

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Running Prime95 stable for about an hour and a half so far, but ever since I've made Prime95 priority 9 it makes my desktop gadgets not respond and then I have a "Windows Desktop Gadgets (Not Responding)" message on my screen that won't go away. Should I close all my gadgets before running the torture test? (I run dual monitor setup with a bunch of gadgets on one of my monitors so I can monitor temps/CPU/GPU usage while playing games)
 
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Shambles

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EMBee99 said:
After seeing Skyrim and Battlefield 3, I figured now would be a great time to build a gaming-centric PC rig (I work on a Mac). I know how most of the guts work, but my last PC purchase was over five years ago, off-the-shelf, and didn't last too long.

So, from the OP:

Budget: around $1000, but I can go over for beneficial pieces/parts if need be.
Main Use: Gaming. As best as I can get for newer games.
Monitor Resolution: Minimum of 1440x900
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: DCUO, Starcraft 2 (for now)
Are reusing any parts?: Nope
When will you build?: Soonish, but I can wait
Will you be overclocking?: Yes (if it helps)

It seems like I could put most of my money into a higher-end video card (GTX 580?), but should I also go with a newer Intel processor (or is it all the same for gaming?). In the end, I want a rig I won't have to constantly upgrade YOY.

Thanks for the help.
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When people are looking to build for games that won't be out for 6-12 months I usually recommend waiting. Even within that time span prices will come down and technology will improve. Building now will result in worse performance when you crack open Skyrim/BC3 than if you build the weeks before the release. Of course if SC2 and DCUO is important to you as well go ahead and build now.
 
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MisterAnderson

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Shambles said:
When people are looking to build for games that won't be out for 6-12 months I usually recommend waiting. Even within that time span prices will come down and technology will improve. Building now will result in worse performance when you crack open Skyrim/BC3 than if you build the weeks before the release. Of course if SC2 and DCUO is important to you as well go ahead and build now.
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I agree with this sentiment. My problem is that I want to be able to max out Crysis 2 (or get close to max), but I also want to max out Skyrim and BF3 :( So I'm trying to figure out my video card battle plan because I'm set as far as my processor goes unless it dies or something.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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MisterAnderson said:
I agree with this sentiment. My problem is that I want to be able to max out Crysis 2 (or get close to max), but I also want to max out Skyrim and BF3 :( So I'm trying to figure out my video card battle plan because I'm set as far as my processor goes unless it dies or something.
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Skyrim will also be on consoles. It's unlikely you won't be able to max it out on a sufficiently powerful PC you build today.

Skyrim is made by Bethesda, BF3 by DICE. No matter what happens you will have shit tons of show-stopping bugs and random unpredictable bottlenecks. It doesn't matter if you build now or later, somewhere the game will crash or perform like shit no matter what you have. It's the Bethesda Way(tm). It's also the DICE Way(tm).
 
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mkenyon

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MisterAnderson said:
I agree with this sentiment. My problem is that I want to be able to max out Crysis 2 (or get close to max), but I also want to max out Skyrim and BF3 :( So I'm trying to figure out my video card battle plan because I'm set as far as my processor goes unless it dies or something.
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You're not going to come close to maxing out Crysis 2. They build those engines so people still buy them 4 years down the line. Hell, my buddy's liquid cooled 980x/6970 is the first computer I've seen to be able to run crysis at ultra with playable frame rates.

Think about playing Crysis on a Core Duo with a 8800gtx. That was top of the line when it came out :p
 
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MisterAnderson

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mkenyon said:
You're not going to come close to maxing out Crysis 2. They build those engines so people still buy them 4 years down the line. Hell, my buddy's liquid cooled 980x/6970 is the first computer I've seen to be able to run crysis at ultra with playable frame rates.

Think about playing Crysis on a Core Duo with a 8800gtx. That was top of the line when it came out :p
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What I meant to say was high settings at least (or whatever they call it...gamer or enthusiast or something? the one below max)
 
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mkenyon

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EMBee99 said:
So, from the OP:

Budget: around $1000, but I can go over for beneficial pieces/parts if need be.
Main Use: Gaming. As best as I can get for newer games.
Monitor Resolution: Minimum of 1440x900
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: DCUO, Starcraft 2 (for now)
Are reusing any parts?: Nope
When will you build?: Soonish, but I can wait
Will you be overclocking?: Yes (if it helps)
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Vid card: 6950 1GB - Sapphire/ASUS ~$250 - Flash it to 6970
Case: Coolermaster mid tower of your choice (HAF 922, Scout, Sniper, CM690) - $50-100
PSU: Corsair 650HX - $120
Proc: 2500k - $229
HDD: Spinpoint F3 1TB - $64.99
Optical drive - $20
Mobo: Gotta wait for the 1555/Sandybridge mobos to come back.
RAM: - 4GB GSkill Ripjaw CAS9 DDR3 1300 - $50

That's about $820 sans mobo and monitor.
 
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Conflict NZ

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Is there any downside to running your GFX fan at a higher speed than stock? I noticed my card was running at 80C at stock settings, so I used the ASUS smartdoctor tool to set variable fan speeds depending on the temperature. Stock speed is 1770RPM which is where it sits when it's idling. While gaming when it hits 65C or over it jumps to 2700RPM. Will this damage the fan in any way?
 
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FloppyDelux

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need a new computer:

Your Current Specs:
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit
System Manufacturer: HP-Pavilion
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Memory: 3072MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 3070MB RAM
Page File: 4059MB used, 2080MB available
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7350 LE
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7350 LE
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

Budget: 2000( might be higher when it comes time to get all the parts)


Main Use: Gameing, modeling animation(3dmax,maya ,messiah. ) texturing + other digital art.
Monitor Resolution: 1600x1200
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: pc games that are out now + future games without lag during gameplay.

Are reusing any parts?: no
When will you build?: around may/june( should have enough by then)
Will you be overclocking?: Yes
 
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Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
To the people who cant wait, wait.
While I don't see anyone being disappointed with the current 2500K from Intel, due to the motherboard scarcity (Does anyone know where to buy these in NA right now?), you might as well wait it out another month or so and see what AMD will toss out. The Intel time line of Ivy Bridge looks to be almost Q4 unless they change it so that's all there is to worry about right now (...and those Z68 boards). Not a big deal for pure gaming though.

Floppy check back maybe a week or so when you'll have the money. New GPUs and AMD should have announced something by then. In the mean time if you can check and report back whether AMD/Intel is better for those programs, if they will use 8 threads / 6 cores, and if nVidia or ATi(AMD) is better from a GPU standpoint.
 
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mkenyon

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Hazaro, I can't find anywhere online to buy them. A couple local computer shops are still selling some. However, you have to buy them knowing that they cannot be recalled as you're essentially buying bad stock. Friend just bought a Sabertooth from ENU in Portland, and 4th Dimension Computers here in Oly, WA had a couple last time I checked.
 
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MacAttack

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Does anyone know where to buy these in NA right now?
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I ordered mine from directron.com on Monday should be here tomorrow. You have to check off a box that says you are aware of the B2 stepping but other than that they will ship them. They seem to have a pretty good selection in stock too.
 
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·feist·

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ChoklitReign said:
Will AMD be releasing new CPUs next month in the price range of a Phenom X4 840? If not I'll be buying that.
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No.
Phenom II X4 840 is essentially the replacement for the Athlon II X4 640/645. Bulldozer 1 quads will cost more than the 840/640/645, because AMD can't afford to charge that little for them.

If you want a low cost build soon, your most flexible option would be to buy an 840/640/645 along with an AM3+ 900-series motherboard when they get released so that you can upgrade to a BD chip later on. Either an entry-level 990, or 980 board should do.

Unless you're in immediate dire need of a PC, going with an AM2+ or AM3 build at the moment is not a good idea.
 
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Dynamic3

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Can someone recommend me a good 8gb ram set to pair with a p67 board? I keep hearing something about 1.5v and I don't know what that means.
 
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Aruarian Reflection

Chauffeur de la gdlk
Dynamic3 said:
Can someone recommend me a good 8gb ram set to pair with a p67 board? I keep hearing something about 1.5v and I don't know what that means.
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This 8 GB set has a $15 discount for the weekend, is 1.5 V, and seems well-recommended http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426

I'm debating whether to buy this myself actually. I won't be building until late May... should I buy this RAM now, or does anybody think 8 GB RAM will be less than $70 by May?
 
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ChoklitReign

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·feist· said:
No.
Phenom II X4 840 is essentially the replacement for the Athlon II X4 640/645. Bulldozer 1 quads will cost more than the 840/640/645, because AMD can't afford to charge that little for them.

If you want a low cost build soon, your most flexible option would be to buy an 840/640/645 along with an AM3+ 900-series motherboard when they get released so that you can upgrade to a BD chip later on. Either an entry-level 990, or 980 board should do.

Unless you're in immediate dire need of a PC, going with an AM2+ or AM3 build at the moment is not a good idea.
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Would the new mobos be more than $100 or about the same? Is there a specific release date for them? I really want a new PC by the time Crysis 2 releases.
 
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mkenyon

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1. Probably not. More like in the $180-200 range.

2. Nope. *Maybe* March.

3. If you want to build a rig for Crysis 2, you need to be looking at the 970, 1090t, or 1100t. Rocking the 970@4Ghz on my main rig, going to be running the 1100t in a mini itx build built inside of the Sapphire Vietnam 6970 Case.

My rig destroys games while running a linux mint VM, so I'm pretty happy with performance.
 
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antonz

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I think Amd might get a small lead power wise with bulldozer but it will lose it pretty fast to the 6 and 8 core Sandy Bridges planned before Ivy.
 
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teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Elixist said:
hey guys so sandy bridge is supposed to be the bomb right? i was just wondering if this cpu:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...070&cm_re=sandy_bridge-_-19-115-070-_-Product smokes this one:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103913&cm_re=1100t-_-19-103-913-_-Product
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The 2600 is about 50% faster than the 1100 T.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

With that said, if you're building a mid-range system today and have no plans on upgrading anything, the 1100 T may be your best option with the money saved on SLI/CFing mid range GPUs. The CPU tends not to be the bottleneck unless you've got a wicked high end GPU setup.
 
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Elixist

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Sweet thanks guys! I'd like to get that cpu for my build later next month and I just want to beat my buddies new comp hes getting *cue evil laughter*. Will I be safe on getting a no problems sandy motherboard late next month?
 
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antonz

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Elixist said:
Sweet thanks guys! I'd like to get that cpu for my build later next month and I just want to beat my buddies new comp hes getting *cue evil laughter*. Will I be safe on getting a no problems sandy motherboard late next month?
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I think it should be alot more doable with that time frame.
 
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Kraftwerk

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OK Time has come to buy a pc :D

I will be purchasing everything from Ncix. My budget is $1500-$2000. Basically something that i can play The witchier 2 and Skyrim with.

so pc gaf, HALP!
 
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nib95

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Just bought a 6950. Will do the 6970 bios mod. Can't wait. Probably jumped the gun a bit, but with Crysis 2, Skyrim and Shogun: Total War around the corner, plus a whole host of others, why not eh? Main thing that sold me though, Battlefield 3. That trailer...those visuals...I'd gladly pay to experience that. Just wow...
 
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Nekrono

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nib95 said:
Just bought a 6950. Will do the 6970 bios mod. Can't wait. Probably jumped the gun a bit, but with Crysis 2, Skyrim and Shogun: Total War around the corner, plus a whole host of others, why not eh? Main thing that sold me though, Battlefield 3. That trailer...those visuals...I'd gladly pay to experience that. Just wow...
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You should probably read the previous page regarding the 6950 :p .
 
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·feist·

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ChoklitReign said:
Would the new mobos be more than $100 or about the same? Is there a specific release date for them? I really want a new PC by the time Crysis 2 releases.
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Hard to say. AMD has been holding their cards really close to their chest. Some 980s may come in around that range, but, as a whole, there's very little reliable info outside of a supposed Q2/"April" product launch. Spotty info, though being this close to launch...

It isn't that an AM3 board wouldn't get the job done, it'd just be nice to have the option to upgrade again later while changing as few components as possible.

Maybe wait another 2-3 weeks to see what develops? That way you'll still have 1-2 weeks before Crysis 2 launches to build your PC.

There's always something like the following for "future-proofing" purposes.
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ASRock 890FX Deluxe5
http://www.pctreiber.net/2011/asrock-890fx-deluxe5-am3-mainboard-mit-890fx-chipsatz.html

Drivers are already on their site:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.asp?Model=890FX Deluxe5&o=All
 
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Dynamic3

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Do I need thermal compound for my i5-2500K?

Also, where can I buy those braided cable sleeves? On that note, are there any additional cables that I need to assemble the comp or does everything come with the parts?
 
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mkenyon

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antonz said:
I think Amd might get a small lead power wise with bulldozer but it will lose it pretty fast to the 6 and 8 core Sandy Bridges planned before Ivy.
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Based off of what knowledge?
Nekrono said:
You should probably read the previous page regarding the 6950 :p .
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That guy posting his thoughts on the 6950 was hogwash. I have 2 buddies who've done it, and I personally have to a rig that is still working wonders. The performance gain was a *lot* more than 2-3%. The flash works. It's like anything in computer modding though, if you want to OC and tinker with parts, stuff cab blow up. Its no different with the BIOS flash.
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Do I need thermal compound for my i5-2500K?

Also, where can I buy those braided cable sleeves? On that note, are there any additional cables that I need to assemble the comp or does everything come with the parts?
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Probably, unless you're using the stock cooler and there is thermal paste already applied.

Braided cables here.
 
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