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Hazaro said:
so I am assuming....if I wanna do SLI in the future i have to up my pSU is what you're getting at. I probably wont use the SLI feature until like a year or 2 from nnow if anything. so I'l just get a NEW psu then if I need too.
but the 650 should be fine otherwise though right? I already bought and ordered all this stuff.
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black_vegeta said:Newegg
Microcenter
Fry's Electronic's
Amazon
Ebay
etc.
All of those are a fail except this mythical place you call "Microcenter." I didn't think there were any near where I live. There aren't, really... but a 45min drive isn't too bad when it will get me the mobo I've been waiting for.
Guys,
I've got a sandforce SSD, have had it for about 3 months now. Its startup/shutdown time is blazing fast, and remains so. Waking up after being put to sleep, however, can take as long as 30 to 40 seconds. This is a recent problem; it didn't used to take this long.
Anything I should be aware of regarding SSDs and sleep mode?
I've got a sandforce SSD, have had it for about 3 months now. Its startup/shutdown time is blazing fast, and remains so. Waking up after being put to sleep, however, can take as long as 30 to 40 seconds. This is a recent problem; it didn't used to take this long.
Anything I should be aware of regarding SSDs and sleep mode?
I'm considering building a Windows Home Server box, anyone have recommendations for a build? I need a case that will hold at least 5 storage drives, preferably more. I already have an extra 32gb SSD that I can use as a boot drive if it's enough space. (edit: I actually have two of said SSDs, so I might raid 0 them for a boot drive, if it's beneficial)
I figure an i3 is probably good enough. No need for a dedicated graphics card or sound card. Probably should throw in a wireless N card though. I'm thinking <$500 w/o storage drives. Thoughts?
I figure an i3 is probably good enough. No need for a dedicated graphics card or sound card. Probably should throw in a wireless N card though. I'm thinking <$500 w/o storage drives. Thoughts?
mike23 said:
Depends on what the server is for. Initially I would say that wireless is a nono, whatever case is the cheapest that works and I probably wouldn't even bother with an i3 or SSDs but that depends on the function you're using it for. If it's basically just a NAS box getting everything as low power and low price as is reasonable. You can get an Athlon II X2 and motherboard for the same price of an i3 2100 alone. But of course your needs could be different if your workload is substantially more intense.
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I was at Microcenter earlier today and saw a video card that was actually fairly decent for the price.
It was an EVGA GeForce GTS 450. 1GB GDDR5 128-bit. Clock speed was...822MHz if I remember correctly. It was ~$123, and had a mail-in rebate making it $98.
I was originally considering buying an EVGA GTX 460, 1GB gddr5, etc. 256-bit. Faster, of course. But the core clock speed wasn't that much faster, just the memory clock was by quite a bit obviously. That one is $199.99 on Newegg.
So....which would be better? I mean, is the 460 worth the $70-$100 more?
More detailed info on the two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130596
GTX 460
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0347361
GTS 450
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It was an EVGA GeForce GTS 450. 1GB GDDR5 128-bit. Clock speed was...822MHz if I remember correctly. It was ~$123, and had a mail-in rebate making it $98.
I was originally considering buying an EVGA GTX 460, 1GB gddr5, etc. 256-bit. Faster, of course. But the core clock speed wasn't that much faster, just the memory clock was by quite a bit obviously. That one is $199.99 on Newegg.
So....which would be better? I mean, is the 460 worth the $70-$100 more?
More detailed info on the two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130596
GTX 460
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0347361
GTS 450
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Alright GAF...now that the P67 boards are starting to slowly trickle back into stores I feel it's time to make a move. I have a Microcenter 5 minutes away from where I work, so I'll most likely buy most of the parts from there. The machine I'm planning to put together is listed below:
Case: Fractal Design XL Black Full Tower
CPU : Intel i5 2500K
CPU Cooler: Hyper 212+
GPU : EVGA Classified Nvidia GTX 590
Mobo : ASUS P67 PRO
PSU : Corsair AX850 80+ Gold
RAM : 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
HDD: Samsung F4 2TB
SDD : OCZ Vertex 3 120GB
DVD : Whatever cheap drive
Price : $1,967
I plan to hook this up to either a Dell U2711 IPS Monitor or a 3D 120hz monitor. Right now I'm leaning towards the 3D monitor.
I've got just about enough cash to buy the whole thing, but I'm going to do it in pieces to mentally make it easier on the g/f
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I do go back and forth between the 590 and the ASUS DCII 580. When I think of the 3D performance or the Dell monitor and it's resolution, I think the 590 would serve me better. Thoughts on this line of thinking or the machine in general?
Case: Fractal Design XL Black Full Tower
CPU : Intel i5 2500K
CPU Cooler: Hyper 212+
GPU : EVGA Classified Nvidia GTX 590
Mobo : ASUS P67 PRO
PSU : Corsair AX850 80+ Gold
RAM : 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
HDD: Samsung F4 2TB
SDD : OCZ Vertex 3 120GB
DVD : Whatever cheap drive
Price : $1,967
I plan to hook this up to either a Dell U2711 IPS Monitor or a 3D 120hz monitor. Right now I'm leaning towards the 3D monitor.
I've got just about enough cash to buy the whole thing, but I'm going to do it in pieces to mentally make it easier on the g/f
.I do go back and forth between the 590 and the ASUS DCII 580. When I think of the 3D performance or the Dell monitor and it's resolution, I think the 590 would serve me better. Thoughts on this line of thinking or the machine in general?
Shambles said:
It will be basically a NAS box initially, but I feel like I want to stick with the i3. I'm willing to pay a bit more for good performance, even if I won't be using it all the time. What's the upgradability of the i3 socket vs the Athlon's socket?
I'm just considering the SSDs because they're lying around the house after I upgraded my desktop with a newer SSD.
About the wireless, it's going to be hooked up to my main computer with gigabit ethernet, but it isn't feasible to have it hooked to both the router and my desktop via ethernet in my current apartment. So I'll have to settle with wireless N.
edit: Does anyone have an opinion on FreeNAS as an alternative to WHS?
Smokey said:Alright GAF...now that the P67 boards are starting to slowly trickle back into stores I feel it's time to make a move. I have a Microcenter 5 minutes away from where I work, so I'll most likely buy most of the parts from there. The machine I'm planning to put together is listed below:
Case: Fractal Design XL Black Full Tower
CPU : Intel i5 2500K
CPU Cooler: Hyper 212+
GPU : EVGA Classified Nvidia GTX 590
Mobo : ASUS P67 PRO
PSU : Corsair AX850 80+ Gold
RAM : 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
HDD: Samsung F4 2TB
SDD : OCZ Vertex 3 120GB
DVD : Whatever cheap drive
Price : $1,967
I plan to hook this up to either a Dell U2711 IPS Monitor or a 3D 120hz monitor. Right now I'm leaning towards the 3D monitor.
I've got just about enough cash to buy the whole thing, but I'm going to do it in pieces to mentally make it easier on the g/f
I do go back and forth between the 590 and the ASUS DCII 580. When I think of the 3D performance or the Dell monitor and it's resolution, I think the 590 would serve me better. Thoughts on this line of thinking or the machine in general?
Go for 580, it will do any resolution on a regular monitor and 1080p 3D. I don't know of any 3D monitors greater than 1080p. If you really want to go crazy then go CF 6970s or SLI 580s as the dual gpu cards are only really a benefit if you can't do regular CF/SLI for size reasons or you want quad CF/SLI.
I've lost count of how many builds you've gone through, Smokey.
The Define XL with stock cooling is not a good match for a GTX 590. Even with a 580, it would be a good idea to look into improving the stock cooling. Either way, the GTX 590 and 6990 are both questionable purchases.
Apart from a single 580, you may want to consider dual 570s/6950s/6970s if you really feel that one 580 won't be enough.
Potentially going with two 590s really isn't advisable.
The Define XL with stock cooling is not a good match for a GTX 590. Even with a 580, it would be a good idea to look into improving the stock cooling. Either way, the GTX 590 and 6990 are both questionable purchases.
Apart from a single 580, you may want to consider dual 570s/6950s/6970s if you really feel that one 580 won't be enough.
Potentially going with two 590s really isn't advisable.
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Is an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 3800+ a bottleneck for an 8800GT ? If so, could I overclock it if the idle temp for the CPU is 30C
mike23 said:
I use and enjoy FreeNAS. It takes a little more tweaking but gives you a lot more flexibility. Basically for a NAS box you just want it as cheap as possible. My FreeNAS box right now is an old single core Pentium 4 with 512mb of memory and the CPU usage barely registers even when going under full transfers.
I also wish I had your problem of too many SSDs laying around
On the new i5/i7 should try to leave it on.Zimbardo said:
For other chips in general it is good to have it on, but it can really mess with OC stability due to the voltage and clock changes. Since the new core chips are all multi based with tubo its not as impactful.
Scythe Kama and Noctua fans.-viper- said:
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I agree about two 590s. I was going to get a beefy PSU anyway regardless if I go with one 580/590 just to leave me some room in case I wanted to SLI later on. And yes I've been at this since last summer
. I planned to have this done by Crysis 2, but then the Sandy Bridge mobo bug hit and I decided to wait until that was cleared. Also started reading about new SSD models so decided to wait on those as well. A few more notes:
-I'd like to stay with Nvidia if I can because of their 3D support.
-I'm pretty knowledgeable about everything else but cases. Could you suggest a better case for airflow if that Fractal isn't good enough?
-Could you explain why the 590 isn't a good purchase in my situation? The Dell monitor has a resolution of 2560x1440 and 3D performance at a decent framerate also eats up a lot of power. Wouldn't one 590 take less power/heat than 2 580s?
I'm down with going with whatever solution I just like to understand the reasoning.
First off, you can only do 1440p or 3D, not both (there are no 1440p 3D monitors).
We're in a bad situation this gen. NVidia cards are fast, but the VRAM is going to be limiting going to 1440p, which makes SLI GTX 570 less attractive. The GTX 590 is generally not recommended as it's roughly the same speed as SLI GTX 570, but runs incredibly hot (therefore somewhat loud). It's also not doing too well in the wild so far, with lots of cases of it simply overheating and dying due to firmware woes. Normally I would say the only advantage it gives you over the SLI GTX 570 is space, but in this case, it also gives you additional VRAM, which maybe makes it a little more viable if you want 1.5GB on a budget.
I'd say AMD is the better buy if you're going with a 1440p monitor. But if you're going 3D, obviously NVidia is the only choice. Since you're going with a large case, I might recommend a pair of these babies, as long as you don't need the 6 PCI slots they take up:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...429&cm_re=asus_gtx_580-_-14-121-429-_-Product
The 590 will take less power and heat than 2x GTX 580, yes...but also don't forget that heat is being generated by a card that's half the size of 2x GTX 580, with the same sized heatsink as a single GTX 580. I've experienced the heat a single GTX 570 puts out, and it feels dangerous at times. In fact, putting my hand on the backplate for more than a second would burn my hand, it's so hot. A GTX 590 just scares me in this regard. With the Asus cards above, that heat is being spread out over 6 PCI-E slots, which makes it less dangerous and that heat should be easy to get rid of with some decent case airflow.
Now, the other advantage of going with SLI GTX 580 is that you can simply start with one card. It might turn out that a single GTX 580 is enough for you. This would prove advantageous as SLI does introduce issues: some games don't support it, some games have glitches (flashing water in Crysis 2), some games break with it (Shogun 2 with Hardware Shadows), microstuttering, and the added trouble of needing to troubleshoot with 2 cards when things go wrong.
Before I recommend cases...is noise an issue for you?
Honestly, there's no magical fan out there. If you want quiet, you're going to have to run at lower RPMs, no two ways about it. To keep things quiet, I like keeping my 120mm fans at 800RPM, 140mm fans at 600RPM, and 200-230mm fans at 400RPM.
That being said, the Scythe S-Flex, Scythe Kamaflow, and Thermalright fans are all great IMO, and not too expensive. Looking at the spec sheet and design, the Thermalrights appear to be rebranded Scythe S-Flex. If you want to be able to have a bit of management over your speed, and don't want a fan controller, then you can consider Noctua fans since they come with a 7V and 5V fan adapters. They're a bit on the pricier side, though.
We're in a bad situation this gen. NVidia cards are fast, but the VRAM is going to be limiting going to 1440p, which makes SLI GTX 570 less attractive. The GTX 590 is generally not recommended as it's roughly the same speed as SLI GTX 570, but runs incredibly hot (therefore somewhat loud). It's also not doing too well in the wild so far, with lots of cases of it simply overheating and dying due to firmware woes. Normally I would say the only advantage it gives you over the SLI GTX 570 is space, but in this case, it also gives you additional VRAM, which maybe makes it a little more viable if you want 1.5GB on a budget.
I'd say AMD is the better buy if you're going with a 1440p monitor. But if you're going 3D, obviously NVidia is the only choice. Since you're going with a large case, I might recommend a pair of these babies, as long as you don't need the 6 PCI slots they take up:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...429&cm_re=asus_gtx_580-_-14-121-429-_-Product
The 590 will take less power and heat than 2x GTX 580, yes...but also don't forget that heat is being generated by a card that's half the size of 2x GTX 580, with the same sized heatsink as a single GTX 580. I've experienced the heat a single GTX 570 puts out, and it feels dangerous at times. In fact, putting my hand on the backplate for more than a second would burn my hand, it's so hot. A GTX 590 just scares me in this regard. With the Asus cards above, that heat is being spread out over 6 PCI-E slots, which makes it less dangerous and that heat should be easy to get rid of with some decent case airflow.
Now, the other advantage of going with SLI GTX 580 is that you can simply start with one card. It might turn out that a single GTX 580 is enough for you. This would prove advantageous as SLI does introduce issues: some games don't support it, some games have glitches (flashing water in Crysis 2), some games break with it (Shogun 2 with Hardware Shadows), microstuttering, and the added trouble of needing to troubleshoot with 2 cards when things go wrong.
Before I recommend cases...is noise an issue for you?
-viper- said:
Honestly, there's no magical fan out there. If you want quiet, you're going to have to run at lower RPMs, no two ways about it. To keep things quiet, I like keeping my 120mm fans at 800RPM, 140mm fans at 600RPM, and 200-230mm fans at 400RPM.
That being said, the Scythe S-Flex, Scythe Kamaflow, and Thermalright fans are all great IMO, and not too expensive. Looking at the spec sheet and design, the Thermalrights appear to be rebranded Scythe S-Flex. If you want to be able to have a bit of management over your speed, and don't want a fan controller, then you can consider Noctua fans since they come with a 7V and 5V fan adapters. They're a bit on the pricier side, though.
I should've clarified.
Yes I am aware that no 3D monitors exist beyond 1080p. What I'm saying is I thought the 590 would be good for either of my situations:
1. I go 3D
OR
2. I go with the Dell 27'' monitor because of it's high resolution.
I wanted to avoid a situation where I go AMD if I go with the Dell, and then realize I want to try 3D and then have to go through the process of selling my AMD card and getting a GTX. Instead I could sort of kill 2 birds with 1 stone by just sticking with Nvidia.
Yes I am aware that no 3D monitors exist beyond 1080p. What I'm saying is I thought the 590 would be good for either of my situations:
1. I go 3D
OR
2. I go with the Dell 27'' monitor because of it's high resolution.
I wanted to avoid a situation where I go AMD if I go with the Dell, and then realize I want to try 3D and then have to go through the process of selling my AMD card and getting a GTX. Instead I could sort of kill 2 birds with 1 stone by just sticking with Nvidia.
Well I think I'll still just recommend the GTX 580, then.
I simply don't feel comfortable with the GTX 590. It's just too much heat in too little space. There are too many reports of it overheating and dying. I think both the GTX 590 and 6990 are poorly engineered and are simply trying to cram too much into too little space. The noise and heat are not worth it.
I simply don't feel comfortable with the GTX 590. It's just too much heat in too little space. There are too many reports of it overheating and dying. I think both the GTX 590 and 6990 are poorly engineered and are simply trying to cram too much into too little space. The noise and heat are not worth it.
TheExodu5 said:
I'll take your guys' word for it on the 590. I'll go with the ASUS 580. I worry it won't be enough for what I'm trying to do, but then again I've been worrying for almost a whole fucking year so meh...time to get on it.
On cases I'll say yes, noise could be a potential issue for me. I'll be moving into a new apartment and I don't want my computer sounding like a jet 24/7.
Smokey said:
Alright, well that's a good enough reason to go with the triple slot Asus over a GTX 590.
Now, in terms of cases...we have some options. You were going for a full tower, so I'll assume size isn't an issue. With 2x triple slot video cards, we'll just need to make sure that fits.
edit: actually, looking at the P8P67 pro, spacing shouldn't be an issue:
The second card would encroach a little bit over the IO ports at the left most of this picture, but shouldn't interfere with anything.
As for cases, I'll start off with a slightly more expensive and outlandish proposition. The Silverstone FT02:
(images from zc1 on HardForum)
You can get it with or without a window. It's a strange case because the motherboard is rotated to 90 degrees. Still, it's supposed to be one of the quietest and coolest cases on the market. It's a little pricey at around $250, however. It doesn't normally come with those blue LED lights, FYI.
Let me know how you feel about this case, whether the price is too much, whether you like the sleek aesthetics or not.
Coldsnap said:
P67 is the chipset for the 2500K and 2600K that allows for overclocking.
As for the P8P67, it's mostly reputation and word of mouth. There are other fine options out there, including MSI, Gigabyte, and Asrock (on a budget). At $190, you'd be talking about the P8P67 Pro, which people get for the SLI support.
Somebody HELP!
So I want to buy a Fractal R3 case. I also want my machine to be quiet and to have intelligent airflow:
Fractal r3 Cooling system details:
* Fan controller for 3 fans included
* 1 rear Fractal Design 120mm @ 1350rpm included
* 1 front Fractal Design 120mm @ 1350rpm included
* 1 front 120mm fan (optional)
* 1 bottom 120mm/140mm fan (optional)
* 1 side panel 120mm/140mm fan (optional)
* 2 top 120mm/140mm fan (optional)
How many of these optional fans should I purchase?
Should I buy an extra fan controller?
So I want to buy a Fractal R3 case. I also want my machine to be quiet and to have intelligent airflow:
Fractal r3 Cooling system details:
* Fan controller for 3 fans included
* 1 rear Fractal Design 120mm @ 1350rpm included
* 1 front Fractal Design 120mm @ 1350rpm included
* 1 front 120mm fan (optional)
* 1 bottom 120mm/140mm fan (optional)
* 1 side panel 120mm/140mm fan (optional)
* 2 top 120mm/140mm fan (optional)
How many of these optional fans should I purchase?
Should I buy an extra fan controller?
black_vegeta
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TheExodu5 said:
Awesome design with the heat rises in mind.
Hefty price though
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Akia said:
Keep in mind that for some of these fans, you're going to have to remove the sound dampening material and replace it with the fan. It'll have an impact on the quietness of the case, I'd imagine.
Otherwise, how many fans you want probably depends on what you're doing with the system. I'm pretty happy with the stock fans but I'm not doing anything hardcore.
That reminds me, I haven't installed the fan controller yet. Not sure if I need it though.
TheExodu5 said:Alright, well that's a good enough reason to go with the triple slot Asus over a GTX 590.
Now, in terms of cases...we have some options. You were going for a full tower, so I'll assume size isn't an issue. With 2x triple slot video cards, we'll just need to make sure that fits.
edit: actually, looking at the P8P67 pro, spacing shouldn't be an issue:
The second card would encroach a little bit over the IO ports at the left most of this picture, but shouldn't interfere with anything.
As for cases, I'll start off with a slightly more expensive and outlandish proposition. The Silverstone FT02:
You can get it with or without a window. It's a strange case because the motherboard is rotated to 90 degrees. Still, it's supposed to be one of the quietest and coolest cases on the market. It's a little pricey at around $250, however. It doesn't normally come with those blue LED lights, FYI.
Let me know how you feel about this case, whether the price is too much, whether you like the sleek aesthetics or not.
Ahh...I originally had the FT02 as my case but for whatever reason changed it but I will put it back. Don't have a problem spending a nice amount on a case. It's where my computer will reside for X number of years so might as well got a nice, quality one.
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?, SSD is 6gbs SATA3, would it make any difference performance wise if the SATA cable isn't 6gbs?
Funky Papa
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I got my R3 and I'm fairly displeased with the finishing of the feet. They look like metal in the official website, but they are made of a cheap plastic that in my case already came dented. It's not a big problem since they are out of sight, but still.
TheExodu5 said:
I'll use this image to ask a completely unrelated question. The friend I was helping build the PC has finally bought the parts and hired some tech guy to assemble it.
However, he bought 2 HD6970 and the tech guy only used 1 crossfire bridge (and he was showing some doubts as to how many bridges use).
The pc is working, but I don't know how to check if Crossfire is working. CPU-Z doesn't say it's enabled.
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