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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 2. Haswell = #IntelnoTIM, but free online. READ THE OP.

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RickyRozay

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kharma45 said:
Your Phenom isn't bad when OC'd, if you were looking to upgrade on AM3+ I'd wait to see what Steamroller has to offer unless you found a smashing deal on the 8350. In saying that the 8350 is still a very viable upgrade don't get me wrong about that.
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Yea I know future proofing might be pointless but I'm hoping the use of more cores will become the standard from now on. I would rather upgrade my gtx 660 for a stronger end gpu but I'm pretty sure I would start seeing some bottlenecking with this processor.

both the 8350($179) and 8320($149) are fairly cheap right now but for my price range I'm probably looking to spend around $270 since I would have to a get a new mobo as well.
 
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comu

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PC that I built 2 months ago but forgot to post pictures here :)

i3 3225
hd 7870
8 gb samsung ram
840 pro 250gb
WD RE4 1tb HDD (in raid1 with an older HDD)
windows 8
fractal design define r4

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You can barely see the RAM :)



Very happy with it apart from this little problem that I only get on Firefox and mainly when on twitter, but not all the time:

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It doesnt affect anything else (as far as I'm aware), although id like to fix it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks
 
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Mad Max

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scogoth said:
This really an irrelevant argument because you are getting much higher performance for the same Or less TDP and temperatures well within operating limits. Also I don't think they are any hotter than previous generations at the same TDP at all after delidding. I have a 3770k running at 5GHz that is 55C under load compared to my old i7-930 at 4.2GHz at 85C under load both using the same custom water loop.
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Of course, i'm not trying to argue against delidding, it's just an observation based on results from people delidding haswell chips. Comparing IB vs haswell there is a big difference between their respective temps even after a delid (based on my casual observation), which doesn't seem in proportion to the TDP difference of ~10W.
 
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kharma45

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RickyRozay said:
Yea I know future proofing might be pointless but I'm hoping the use of more cores will become the standard from now on. I would rather upgrade my gtx 660 for a stronger end gpu but I'm pretty sure I would start seeing some bottlenecking with this processor.

both the 8350($179) and 8320($149) are fairly cheap right now but for my price range I'm probably looking to spend around $270 since I would have to a get a new mobo as well.
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If you're after a new motherboard too I'd say wait, hopefully the new Steamroller ones will all have PCIe 3. Even good boards like the 990FXA-UD3 are still PCIe 2.
 
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Toski

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yatesl said:
Running Prime95 now at 4.2, and temp hit 85c at one point, but seems to be hovering around 75c. That seems crazy, but is it safe/normal?
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Looks like 4.2 is the max for me as well. I just did Prime95 for 6 hours and temps hit in the mid 80s at "stock" voltage which never seemed to go above 1.196 according cpu-z.
 
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mkenyon

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Pro said:
Pretty good Daily Deal going on Newegg for a 7970 right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...202008&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-14-202-008-_-Product

The GHz Edition and 6GB version are also down.
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If you are in the market for a new GPU, and want to spend around $300, buy this now.
Toski said:
Looks like 4.2 is the max for me as well. I just did Prime95 for 6 hours and temps hit in the mid 80s at "stock" voltage which never seemed to go above 1.196 according cpu-z.
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Try reducing voltage.
 
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Pro

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mkenyon said:
If you are in the market for a new GPU, and want to spend around $300, buy this now.
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$309.00 after the rebate so yeah. I actually got mine as soon as I saw it since I've been watching the 7970's for a while now and they've always been $400 previously. Max 4K resolution and the 3GB of memory will go a long way when downsampling at that resolution. Plus there is always room for one more to crossfire at some point down the road. Got a buyer lined up for my old GPU too.
 
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Addnan

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kami_sama said:
500 euros. Mostly for gaming, he wants to enter pc gaming.
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Was a little hard navigating the website even with translator. They called a power supply food source, spent ages looking for it lol.

Anyway, best I could come up with.

Motherboard http://www.pccomponentes.com/asus_p8b75_v.html
CPU http://www.pccomponentes.com/intel_core_i3_3220_3_3_ghz_box.html
RAM http://www.pccomponentes.com/g_skill_ripjaws_x_ddr3_1333_pc3_10666_4gb_2x2gb_cl9.html
HDD http://www.pccomponentes.com/wd_caviar_blue_500gb_sata3.html
Case http://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair_300r_carbide_compact_gaming_case_negra.html
Graphics card http://www.pccomponentes.com/gigabyte_radeon_hd_7750_oc_2gb_gddr3.html
PSU http://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair_cx500_v2_500w_builder_series_80_plus_bronze.html

That brings the total to just under €500. You will need to get OS if you don't already have it and that could break the budget a little. You could probably go for a cheaper case.
 
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diamount

Banned
mkenyon said:
Watercooling?

No, it's both. You just need to delid or buy the enthusiast socket, which is 2011. The enthusiast socket (denoted by -E, like Sandy Bridge-E) is for enthusiasts.

Haswell, Ivy, and Sandy are the consumer sockets (1155/1150).
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Oh.. I thought you meant it wasn't possible in general, not just specific to Haswell. I'll probably get a 3930k.
 
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kharma45

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scogoth said:
Not really, once you have a start menu replacement it's actually quite good. But I agree it is kinda stupid you have to install something to make the desktop usable again
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New Start is great in my books.

Raide said:
Taking a while to figure out where things are now found but it does seem to be nice and swift.
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Win key + x is your friend. If you want the Start menu back use something like Classic Shell. New Start is good though once it's used properly.
 
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kharma45

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Addnan said:
I just hate they disabled Aero glass on windows 8. That's all I really miss. Such a small thing, but it was damn sexy.
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I thought I would but I've forgotten all about it. Quite like the flat look of 8 now.

Raide said:
Oh god! Thats delicious!
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It's a great thing for power users, as are all the other win + shortcuts. These are but a few.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/15-essential-windows-8-keyboard-shortcuts

8.1 brings that functionality too by right clicking on the Start button.
 
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Mr. Hyde

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I'm not sure if it was the beta bios update or just the oc settings i messed with, but I am running my i5-4670k at 4.1ghz and testing with prime 95 and it's only pushing my temps to 63c after 20 minutes while before it was pushing it to 80 easily by now. I did go through all the core voltage options and set the offset to - instead of plus and only put it at 0.5. My msi z87-mpower has far too many OC options. Prime isn't trying to push my core voltage past 1.15, it seems. That's good.
 
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kharma45

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Yep, when 8.1 lands it's gonna be awesomeeeeee. I already love using 8 and it's nice to see this being a bit more than just a service pack to the OS.
 
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The Dutch Slayer

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So the 770 from asus MSI and gigabyte with 4 gig ram are just not coming or what?
Because from the launch up until now its all been lesser brands with the 4 gig versions :(

Anyone know more info about this?
 
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kharma45

Member
The Dutch Slayer said:
So the 770 from asus MSI and gigabyte with 4 gig ram are just not coming or what?
Because from the launch up until now its all been lesser brands with the 4 gig versions :(

Anyone know more info about this?
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Gigabyte and EVGA have theirs out in the US, shouldn't be too long before they come across the Atlantic.
 
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Mr. Hyde

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Does anyone have a clue what all of these are? I assumed VCORE is my core voltage but I have that set to 1.15. The vins show the 1.15, though.


4.1 @ 1.15 crashed after 30 minutes. :( I am trying 4ghz now.
 
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News Bot

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Got my new system all set up. Pleasantly surprised by the sheer jump in performance.

For reference, I went from:

CPU: Intel Q6600 Quad Core
GPU: NVIDIA 9600GT (1GB)
RAM: DDR2 800Mhz

To:

CPU: Intel i5 3570K Quad Core
GPU: HIS AMD 7970
RAM: DDR3 1600Mhz

Can play most games on Ultra with V-Sync enabled and max AA at an almost constant 60fps. That's with no overclocking yet. Thanks to everyone for all the help, especially kharma45!
 
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kharma45

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Tomas said:
Gigabyte has 4GB version in Europe too. I am still unsure if GK104 can make a good use of that extra memory.
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I have those thoughts too but time will tell.

News Bot said:
Got my new system all set up. Pleasantly surprised by the sheer jump in performance.

For reference, I went from:

CPU: Intel Q6600 Quad Core
GPU: NVIDIA 9600GT (1GB)
RAM: DDR2 800Mhz

To:

CPU: Intel i5 3570K Quad Core
GPU: HIS AMD 7970
RAM: DDR3 1600Mhz

Can play most games on Ultra with V-Sync enabled and max AA at an almost constant 60fps. That's with no overclocking yet. Thanks to everyone for all the help, especially kharma45!
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No problem, glad you're pleased! Always very happy to help out a fellow Northern Irish person :p
 
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Mr. Wonderful

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If I update my Motherboard's BIOS, can I just copy down my overclock settings beforehand and set them immediately afterwards without issues? Most of the time?

I've never updated my BIOS for my motherboard, because I really didn't want to go through all the stress testing again.
 
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djshauny

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Hi chaps. What are the i5 4430 Haswell CPUs like?

Running an i5 2500k at the moment. Would the 4430 be an upgrade or an downgrade?

If its a downgrade would the i5 4570 be better?

Cheers :)
 
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kharma45

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djshauny said:
Hi chaps. What are the i5 4430 Haswell CPUs like?

Running an i5 2500k at the moment. Would the 4430 be an upgrade or an downgrade?

If its a downgrade would the i5 4570 be better?

Cheers :)
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Downgrade imo, just overclock your 2500K. Even the 4670K isn't really worth it unless you're big into emulation.
 
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