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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine
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How is dropping below 30fps a 2ms variability? Come on now. I'm giving your argument serious thought and credit.
Your argument has no validity since you keep ignoring the cost in power consumption. Really no point in discussing with you when you clearly have an agenda claiming a certain CPU is better than the other. lol?
You still haven't acknowledged that you understand frame latencies unless I missed it.
I suggest you do that first.
I'm not even sure what the arguments are anymore. Because CPU speeds are barely increasing I'm always going to rec the K. People who don't want to OC now usually do later when it saves them $400.
Yes, the Xeon can be slightly better/power efficient at some threaded tasks.
I suggest you do that first.
I'm not even sure what the arguments are anymore. Because CPU speeds are barely increasing I'm always going to rec the K. People who don't want to OC now usually do later when it saves them $400.
Yes, the Xeon can be slightly better/power efficient at some threaded tasks.
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The Everyman
thats the exact same error i got :')
we are brothers.
you probably have a card with unused pins for the psu. it probably has a 6 and 8 pin slot where you're only using the 6 or the 8. if so, you need to use a 2nd psu -> pci-e cable.
but congrats man! you basically did it!
Wait, so nothing's broken in my computer?
But I have a 6pin and 8pin cable connected to the video card. =/
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The Everyman
nope, just take a 2nd psu -> pci-e cable, plug one end in your psu at the correct position and plug the other into the (im guessing it's the 8) 8 pin power connector on the gpu. so youll have filled the 6pin and and 8pin connector on the gpu.
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The Everyman
all the pins are filled? and theyre plugged into the pci-e/cpu ports on the psu?
Recommending the K is also healthier profits for Intel and PC components industry as well
I think you're underestimating the power efficiency over time of a Xeon processor over an overclocked K series CPU though. My i7-920 OC'd was eating up a lot of electricity until I upgraded to haswell non OC i7-4770t. Literally $20 a month. I keep my rig on 24/7 though.
Personally for me, going from 120fps to 90fps isn't much of a difference for me. I can't tell much of a difference at that high of an fps. Most games are GPU-dependent anyhow, except for some of the games you guys mentioned.
But I already did that with adapters. =/
Because the default 6pin won't fit in my PSU.
I'll try take a look again.
appaws
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I don't know about perfect, but I am sure 550w would do you fine.
Is this real life?
Of course I read it, and I didn't say there aren't savings on electricity.
Buying a Bronze unit is skimping. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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WAT.
It's an older engine but still very much relevant.
Again, there is no extra noise with OCing unless your cooler isn't up to task.
No I didn't.
and ouch, that winrar time difference between a CPU w/ hyperthreading vs one without. I'm sure many in this thread make use of Winrar
There's no need to be so tetchy. You can admit it, this frame latency stuff is over your head.
I'm sure there is a phrase in psychology for defending an item once you've spent money on it. Nothing more than that. Same as the odd AMD person we get in here.
You're right, he has a terrible agenda. Imagine trying to force people to get the best CPU you can for gaming. IMAGINE THE HORROR OF THAT SON!
A niche case then.
Are you gaming at 120/144Hz?
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The Everyman
i didnt even realize that they had pin adaptors for psus. maybe it has something to do with that. can you take any pics power cables going into the psu/gpu?
a google search of the same problem when i had it brought me to the 6 + 8 pin thing. i would guess that that is predominantly the cause, but maybe it actually is something else in your case. either way, i very much doubt that anything is broken for you.
First bolded: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWRecommending the K is also healthier profits for Intel and PC components industry as well
I think you're underestimating the power efficiency over time of a Xeon processor over an overclocked K series CPU though. My i7-920 OC'd was eating up a lot of electricity until I upgraded to haswell non OC i7-4770t. Literally $20 a month. I keep my rig on 24/7 though.
Personally for me, going from 120fps to 90fps isn't much of a difference for me. I can't tell much of a difference at that high of an fps. Most games are GPU-dependent anyhow, except for some of the games you guys mentioned.
Second bolded: Most games are both CPU and GPU dependent. There's far fewer games that don't care about CPU than do. Heck, UE3 being very CPU dependent accounts for how many games in the first place? Source games. Then everything that is single-threaded, which is still a lot. Then every multiplayer game. Just with those criteria, we're already looking at a huge number of games.
The only games I can think of that don't care about CPU would be BF3 single player, Crysis 2, and Metro 2033. Crysis 3 does, for some reason. Even Metro: LL cares a little.
Now, comparing an OC'd Nehalem 920, which is an enthusiast socket with a huge die and is power hungry to a Haswell Xeon is stacking the chips a bit in your favor. You're talking about a 350W+ proc when OC'd with the 920. An OC'd 4670K is still around 150W.
What an awful bias we have. Sure you just go now and enjoy all those n threaded games.
Infinite Justice
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never said there are a bunch of n-threaded games?
and btw, over the course of several years you do end up saving money on power cost. Like I said earlier, PSU components last long, CPU's come and go.
Oh and btw, I did purchase an ASUS 144hz monitor. Returned it in a week due to the washed out colors, and 1080p resolution. Just wasn't for me. I'm not a twitch gamer. I'm more into monitors with better PQ and higher resolution. I'm fine with 60hz gaming. Just my personal pref.
Does the 6+2 pin not fit in your video card? You don't need the adapter.
According to these measurements, doing a very substantial overclock on the 4670K costs 20W at idle and 30W at load. And that was with power-saving features disabled for the sake of repeatability; if they aren't disabled, I would guess there's practically no difference between OC and non-OC at idle, and idle is how most machines tend to spend most of their time.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/6
Then there's the point that one can disable the overclock when it's not necessary.
The power cost of OCing a Haswell K is insignificant.
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Oh right, those extra threads won't be much use then in gaming in that case.
It'll be more than several years. A good Bronze unit is $50 usually, Gold nearer $100. That's a lot of money to recoup. Sure if you're a niche case like yourself with your machine running 24/7 you might make it up over half a decade if you're running the system at full pelt, but that isn't going to be the case for most people. You're trying to use your own position to blanket justify recommendations here.
If you were to run Prime 95 every single second of every single day for one year, it would be about $70.00 in electricity versus a K.
If you were to game 3 hours every single day, it would be about $8.75 a year in power savings.
If you were to game 10 hours a week, it'd be about $4.20 a year in power savings.
I think we're done here.
Yes, you need a 6-pin and 8-pin (or 6+2) to go to your video card. The adapter you have there requires two 6-pin adapters to power up a single 8-pin.
Nah, they have a legit point. There's a number of people that just don't give a shit in the least about overclocking, and the Xeon is a really good buy for that person.
It's just everything else along with that is a bit crazy.
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The Everyman
ah yes, this must be it. my 8 pin is filled with a 6+2 as well. im guessing a 6 pin into an 8 pin adapter doesnt draw all the power it needs or some such. press the 6 + 2 together and plug it into the 8 pin on your gpu.
edit: to clarify a bit more, unplug the adapter and use that 2 pin that's currently up in the air in that pic to fill out the rest of the 8 pin on your gpu.
You're right. I just got a little angry from reading his posts.
TekGryphon
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My Z87 motherboard has adaptive voltage to my 4770k, so it throttles it way down when I'm not gaming and up only when I need the performance.
Why should I care about power consumption?
You got it.
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The Everyman
yes. now turn it on and REJOICE.
Looks perfect.
Never did I say that Bronze PSU is not the way to go.
Never did I say that Xeon is the way to go only. (whereas most everyone here is K SERIES CPU ONLY OR DIE)
A lot of people jumping to conclusions on where I stand because I gave an alternative CPU to use instead of a K series CPU and all of a sudden it's a huge deal.
And we don't know how often people keep their rigs on. Many times, they leave it on during the day. I do not know many people that use a desktop rig solely for PC gaming. Normally it's at an idle state, consuming power (especially if overclocked) most of the time. Depends on use case scenario.
TekGryphon
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Oh, I forgot to give you guys an update on my build. Everything went smoothly except I'm a little dissapointed on the overclock. 4.4 GHz that's only stable at 1.35v. I've got a H100i on their so temperatures are still fine, but it's still a bit disappointing.
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The Everyman
ive read that 4.2 is the on air average for haswell so that doesnt sound all that bad to me.
Infinite Justice
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that looks correct, now for the moment of truth
Congrats on the successful build.
Yep, power on your PC and let us know how it goes.
I get this screen:
It works perfectly then?
And would my next step be to install Windows on it?
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The Everyman
Just change your boot order so your SSD/HDD is first. You're golden after. You're good to go.
TekGryphon
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This goes back to my prior post. If you're drawing comparisons between your Xenon and an i5-k or i7-k with a Z87 motherboard then it's intellectually dishonest to leave out the fact that many (most?) of those motherboards have adaptive power, that the people doing overclocks will have the knowledge of how to use it, and that many (most) of them will choose to use it.
Yep, power on your PC and let us know how it goes.
yup
Yes sir.
Oh my God, I build my first PC ever!
Though, I have the stock fan installed, so I'll probably exchange it for that Corsair H60 water cooler or something else later in the month.
Oh my God, I build my first PC ever!
Though, I have the stock fan installed, so I'll probably exchange it for that Corsair H60 water cooler or something else later in the month.
Are you installing Windows from your flash drive?
That's the plan yes.
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