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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine
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I have an R4 and it makes next to no noise and unless I am running a very intensive game, produces little heat. The only issue would be space.
Right now, I can't hear my PC. Noise/heat is not an issue.
Space isn't an issue either. What you see in that picture is what I keep on my desk. Other than an occasional cup or two, I don't have anything else on there.
Thanks for this, I didn't realise the PSU was bad, I'd assumed it'd be fairly decent being Corsair since most of their other products seem to be of quite a high standard. Will bear that in mind when deciding on parts though.
I may wait until the 880, but my current setup is definitely showing its age now.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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FINALLY GOT IT TO BOOT UP. W9OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!!
Don't have windows yet though
Also, what does "ae" mean on the motherboard LEDs?
It means you don't have a boot device. No drive with an OS installed. Will go away when you install Windows.
So if I get a key from r/softwareswap how would I install it?
Objectively Bad Opinion
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create a bootable USB stick with a Windows install image
stick it in a USB port
boot from it
install
Cool. Thanks for all your help
ss_lemonade
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From the one I got a key, he sent me an ISO image of the OS. If you have a USB drive, you can make it bootable with the ISO. This is what I used to create a bootable drive:
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool
You enter your key during setup of the OS when you boot it up.
rudieboy77
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Huh, can't hear you I have my headphones on...
OK this is great. Thank you
Thanks to everyone in this great thread. Feels great to build from scratch.
Wow, that looks great! No need for more pics but I would love to get your impressions on the case? Pros? Cons? Have you modified it in any way? Why did you pick the R4 in particular? What other cases did you consider? Did it live up to expectations? Sorry to ask so many questions but I am looking at this, the XL R2, and Nanoxia DS1.
Chance Hale
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I can't really find any con's on the R4 tbh. It has great spacing for airflow and cable management. It's like the case does the cable management for you. It was also very easy to put everything together once I got the hang of it and knew where everything belonged.
The case is also very appealing astheatically from inside and out. Not much else I can say for now but maybe look at some YouTube videos for more info
You'll have no issues installing it. Should be able to get between $150-200 for your card depending on version/locality.
EmptySpace
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someone is selling this:
for $1500.
yay or nay?
for $1500.
yay or nay?
Chance Hale
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What do you mean by that? Is a NA 4GB model and has "superclocked" on the box so it's one of the factory overclocked models. Have never sold a graphics card before(have always kept them and put them into junk computers, lol)
One other question I had though, is using a graphics card as a physx only unit still a thing? Is there any benefit?
Evga? You should pretty easily get $200 for it.
Physx as a separate card isn't really a thing these days as a) only a few games use it b) the hardware advanced so fast that often the replacement card will handle physx better without the second card. There isn't much point in it since the 5xx series.
Physx as a separate card isn't really a thing these days as a) only a few games use it b) the hardware advanced so fast that often the replacement card will handle physx better without the second card. There isn't much point in it since the 5xx series.
Chance Hale
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Yes, it's an EVGA card. And yeah, it was around then that I remember reading about it. Has just stuck in my mind and this is the first time when it would actually be feasible(I upgraded to an 670 from a 8800gts)
neurosisxeno
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The 6GB variation is a waste of money. You might as well get the 3GB base version and spend the extra $200 on a new SSD or something.
3x 4K screens running 32-bit colour at 16-bit depth would use 1.7GB of VRAM just for pixel information, add on geometry and textures you could use 6GB with 26.5 million pixels.
So there is a case for 6GB!
So there is a case for 6GB!
In case anyone missed, this is my sarcastic way of saying 3GB is more than enough
Chance Hale
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It should only like 50 dollars more right? Plan on downsampling and getting a 4K monitor later this year so I imagine it'll have its uses for the little extra.
neurosisxeno
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It also doesn't help that these cards run out of processing power well before they are memory constricted.
They claim it will only be $50 more for the GTX 780 6GB, but no word that I can see for the GTX 780 Ti--which will probably carry a premium. The bigger issue is that the card won't have enough processing power to effectively use 6GB of VRAM. There is almost no situation--even with a 4K screen--that you would be handling 6GB of textures (or more realistically 550MB of pixel information and 5.45GB of textures) and your GPU isn't already bottlenecked.
Baloonatic
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I've read about people using more than 3GB with a bunch of Skyrim mods. I guess that's a very rare occurrence and won't happen in many other games though.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but if anyone is interested in buying an already built 2 month old small form factor gaming PC then PM me.
Specs:
EVGA hadron air case w/built in 500W PSU
Intel i5 3570k cpu
Evga Nvidia gtx760 2gb superclocked
8GB DDR3 corsair vengeance ram
WD Blue 500gb 7200 RPM HDD
AsRock z87 m-itx Mobo
Also throwing in Logitech gaming MMO mouse and steelseries backlit keyboard.
I can go into more details in PM.
Thanks and sorry!
Specs:
EVGA hadron air case w/built in 500W PSU
Intel i5 3570k cpu
Evga Nvidia gtx760 2gb superclocked
8GB DDR3 corsair vengeance ram
WD Blue 500gb 7200 RPM HDD
AsRock z87 m-itx Mobo
Also throwing in Logitech gaming MMO mouse and steelseries backlit keyboard.
I can go into more details in PM.
Thanks and sorry!
Chance Hale
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I've read people in the Skyrim thread that are using 4GBs. It's such a rare thing but as long as the difference isn't absurd I wouldn't mind going for it, especially as who knows what the first real tech pushers of the new gen will have in store. If nothing else......SUPER SKYRIM.
Of course if they do charge 200 dollars more then lol
neurosisxeno
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Skyrim handles memory very awkwardly, and I think the numbers people get are misleading. You have to remember that Skyrim is by default a 32-bit application which means it can never truly access more than 3GB--that's combined system and video memory. Yes, you can activate LAA but that doesn't actually make it a full 64-bit application, it just kind of stagers the way memory is handled. It's kind of like HyperThreading for memory management--with hundreds of times more errors.
See above. Also, there are zero recorded occurances of 4/6/8GB variations of cards offering performance gains over their 2/3/4GB versions. The cards are optimized in such a way that they can only effectively move memory around within X amount of space. Doubling it is generally pointless.
The only one thing I didn't like about the case, and this is purely just my opinion and from my own experience, is that since I got the windowed version, that side window is easily scratched. There are some light swirl marks on my window due to my own fault when I was putting my build together. I instinctively grabbed a napkin to wipe away some lint/dust that fell upon it when I should have used a microfiber cloth. It's not a big deal to me now but if I would have started all over, I would have been more careful.
Besides that, the case is everything I wanted and more. Cable management's a breeze, there's enough room for me to fit my selected components in there without having to modify anything and it's aesthetically pleasing inside and out. The only "modification" I've done was just removing the 5-slot HDD tray for better airflow, but that thing was meant to be either taken off or placed in. I did consider a few other cases besides the R4. They were the Corsair 760T and the NZXT H440. Both of those cases were not released yet when I created my build and I didn't think they were worth the wait. The 760T looked great but it didn't seem so sturdy when you have the side panel opened; though I can't imagine you'd have the side panel open for long. Also, I'm not sure how well it handled noise after having not seen any/much sound dampening materials inside the case. The H440 looked great as well but I wanted the option to have 5.25" bays and the H440 did not have any. I did end up getting an optical drive (mostly for ripping PS2 games and installing any physical PC games I bought) and I may end up getting a fan controller if I decide to add more fans to the case, so the R4 was an easy choice for me. I have no regrets paying full price for mine ($119.99) even when I could have waited for it to go on sale, which it eventually did shortly after I had purchased it.
Baloonatic
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Interesting! I've also read about cards with more VRAM using over 3GB (for example) but for no apparent reason? Seems like if the VRAM is there then it uses it.
Chance Hale
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Like I said, will wait and see how much the difference is. If it's 50 bucks then it will be worth the future proofing. People told me hyperthreading was useless so I got an i5 and then Crysis 3 and Arma 3 came out ;-;
neurosisxeno
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Probably thinking of Battlefield 3/4. They for some reason can scale the amount of VRAM it uses, with no noticeable change in image quality or texture size. It just somehow dumps more crap into the VRAM if there is more available (some guys at TPU tested it with BF3 compring 4GB and 2GB GTX 680's).
Baloonatic
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Do new cards generally become available every where at the same time? I'm in the UK and wonder if there is a delay between new releases and them making their way over here.
Chance Hale
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If I was to just get a 3 GBti which would be the model to grab? I like EVGA so preferably from them.
anchorman128
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I like MSI Twin Frozer Edition best, almost silent really cool. Also the ASUS DCUII version is also great.
What kind of temps? Load? Idle? 45-50C is a little high for idle, however if that's load it's doing a great job.
Oops. Forgot to mention idle. On load... well, I got a disk read error when downloading Window 7 updates from a fresh install after it restarted that I think might be related to the temps?
Chance Hale
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Someone in the steam thread mentioned that the 880 is expected in June now so I suppose I should probably wait, especially as they will probably throw in Watch Dogs in then instead of the 10 dollar Daylight. Man, I really want to upgrade now though. Suppose a month or two isn't all that long.
So, anyone here have any experience building a Hackintosh?
Is it a pain in the ass and not worth the trouble or is it almost as easy to set up as a fresh Windows build?
I'm close to selling my Macbook Pro, which I will use the money to build a new PC...and this thought just entered my mind so I was just curious. I'm thinking just getting the right hardware would be pretty limiting anyways so don't bother?
Is it a pain in the ass and not worth the trouble or is it almost as easy to set up as a fresh Windows build?
I'm close to selling my Macbook Pro, which I will use the money to build a new PC...and this thought just entered my mind so I was just curious. I'm thinking just getting the right hardware would be pretty limiting anyways so don't bother?
anchorman128
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45-50C on load is the best you could hope for with stock cooling. Considering you didn't spend money on an aftermarket cooler don't be greedy haha
No motherboard or Windows in there? Do you already have those? You don't need a 4GB 760 either, nor an optical drive (although I've kept one in the build below).
You'd be looking at something like this for a full system:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($20.00 @ Reddit)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($143.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $903.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-20 03:43 EDT-0400)
I'd try and squeeze an SSD in there if you could, like a Cruical M500 or Samsung EVO. If you live near a Microcenter, use that to get a motherboard/CPU combination and put the saving towards the SSD.
Question: if I'm building an m-ITX build, with only 2 memory slots and I want to aim for 16GBs, but also want to save $ up front by going with a single 8GB stick (and getting another down the line to make 16) would I be losing noticeable performance by not getting say 2x4GB sticks in dual channel?
Ah, then I'll definitely have to reapply thermal paste tomorrow then. Much appreciated. Thank you.
Jeff Stephen
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Can't believe the MB slipped my mind. The OS I believe he'll get by using his .edu address.
As for the 4GB 760, I threw that in there cause it was only $40 more.
To save a few would it be best to go with an AMD build?
I'll pass this on either way.
Much appreciated.
It is quite easy once you learn how to do it. It is a simple OS install (create a install USB using UniBeast) + drivers later (using Multibeast). However, if you have problem, which is likely, you'll need patience and google.
www.tonymacx86.com, check the guides.
The right hardware is just an intel CPU.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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How true is the bolded portion? ...I picked up a 760 last year and it seemed more on par with the 670; just barely. Maybe my card sucked?
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