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If you question the historical accuracy of AC shadows or the black samurai, you are a hidden racist, according to TheGamer

anthony2690

anthony2690

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Thought I'd log in for the first time in forever to comment.

I'm personally looking forward to AC:Shadows, the gameplay looks like a great improvement from other games.

It's incredibly sad/odd how much hatred for this game people has built up, why did non off the other AC games not get hate for the fiction/historical inaccuracies?

You would think the prior games were shining beacons of historical accuracy with the amount of hate shadows is getting....

Anyway, I think people need to focus more on the games they like and are actually interested in, rather than sitting online all the time, being miserable and telling everyone they must hate X or y game, honestly it killed my desire to log in and engage with neogaf and I use to absolutely love this place.

No shade at any of the users I did enjoy engaging with though, they are still awesome. 💪

Anyway I'm off to carry on enjoying the awesome La Noire, surprised it took me this long to get round too it! :)
 
RetroGamingUK

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You couldn’t pay me to fuck that

Edit: Wow they’re trans, I just thought it was some pig ugly bitch 😆

Edit 2: If I were racist I’d refuse to play any samurai game, odd as I own a fuckload of them
 
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baphomet

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Grizzled Ghost said:
To question something means to doubt it's accuracy.

What you wrote is: "If you question (doubt) the historical accuracy of anything related to Assassins Creed you're retarded."

AKA you think it's 100% accurate.
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I'm aware what it means in context to non-fiction.

Questioning the historical accuracy of science fiction is retarded.

"I'm not sure but I think this Tatooine place may not be real."
 
Elginer

Elginer

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LectureMaster said:
www.thegamer.com

You Don't Actually Care About Assassin's Creed Shadows' Watermelons

Latest footage for Assassin's Creed Shadows shows cherry blossoms and watermelon in season together. Yes, that's the whole story.
www.thegamer.com www.thegamer.com


In the latest gameplay showcase for Assassin's Creed Shadows, we see Yasuke walking through a market. To his left, there is a cart of watermelons - a pretty common sight in Japan. In the background, a smattering of cherry blossoms decorate the horizons in full bloom - again, another common sight. For some, this has become the latest in a long line of reasons why Assassin's Creed Shadows will be the worst game of all time.

The reason for this is because watermelon season is late-April to mid-August, while cherry blossoms bloom through March and into early-April. They don't have any strict crossover, though nature does not work to our specific Gregorian time scales. More to the point, watermelons had not yet arrived in Japan, and so the presence of both is an anachronistic goof. Of course, this in itself is not the reason that people believe Assassin's Creed Shadows will be the worst game of all time, it's just what they're saying right now. Why they actually think that is because Yasuke is Black.

This has been the whole story all along. At first it was endless debates about the historical accuracy of Yasuke, despite many historical texts of him existing and the general dramatic flair Assassin's Creed has shown previously, like when you had a fistfight with the Pope under the Vatican. Though there are legitimate concerns about Shadows' overall quality to be aired, so much of the general discourse is either wrapped up in people who are hiding their racism behind disingenuous complaints or simply aren't hiding it at all.


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That site is full of the most asinine hot takes. It’s like Gen Z on steroids where there is constant social justice whining and idiocy.
 
rabbity-thing

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CLW said:
Aunjanue Ellis Racism GIF by NEON
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Everything? I dunno about all that, but there sure are a bunch of people out there making specious arguments about historical accuracy in a series where historical accuracy has always been played fast and loose.

Pretending one's motives/actions aren't fueled racism is a tale as old as time, really. So too is the fact that some people out there proudly proclaim their racism as though it's a virtue.

I can't imagine all the hate that my girl Aveline and my boy Adewale would be getting if their games were coming out in this current hair-trigger "anti-woke" atmosphere. We're living in VERY racist times. It's gross.
 
Toots

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adamsapple said:
We just need a single mega thread for Shadows.
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This or at least we need to stop clutching our collective pearls everytime any news or opinion about the game come out...
This outraged by all things attitude is so lame... It shows weakness more than anything.

Anyway my opinion on this particular case is that if you care in any way, shape or form about a looser videogame journalists opinion, you are a (not very well) hidden moron...
 
BbMajor7th

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Black_Stride said:
And Baldurs Gate 3, Hades, Hogwartz, Undertale etc etc.
For every Go Woke Go Broke game theres a woke game that didnt fail but we just dont talk about how woke it is because it no longer fits the narrative.
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You are conflating content with apparent intention. Go back to the 1980s and you had James Cameron making films with leads like Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton, neither of them running around in bikinis and high heels, but as dowdy and dressed down as any modern female protagonist. People loved those films then and they still love them now.

The difference is the perceived intention. People don't hate 'woke' because they hate minorities and don't want to see them represented - that's a strawman invented by its defenders. I'm old enough to remember when Wesley Snipes' Blade (supported by an autonomous, well-educated black female doctor - how dare they) was the coolest superhero shit all the white guys in my hometown had ever seen.

What pisses people off is the high-handed, morale condescension with which this stuff is now being pushed. It's not just a 'cool black character' or a 'badass female character' it's an 'important step forward for marginalised people'. We're told that Wonder Woman was a great moment for female protagonists (a superhumanly beautiful woman running around in a leather mini skirt), ignoring all the great female leads we'd had for decades who were not Gal-Gadot levels of beautiful and didn't spend the en entire film dunking on the male supporting characters. We're told that Black Panther was a trailblazer like the Blade trilogy had never existed.

The most frustrating part is that we're told we have to support these games for moral reasons. When we said the third Blade film was shit (largely because they'd stuffed it with cringy white characters) no-one crowed about it just being a bunch of 'alt-right haters', they were like 'nah it blew'. Today, you can't have that opinion, you have to support stuff that's boring and poorly made simply because it was made by certain people or represents certain ideas.

That's where your pushback comes from, it's come from being told over and over again that they have to like this stuff, they have to champion it, and if they don't, if they say 'honestly, it kinda blows' they're not just some person who didn't like something, they're committing an act of wanton violence against helpless and marginalised group - that they don't want these people to exist at all.

That's the difference, that's why it get so much hate and why it's so divisive.
 
Cyberpunkd

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anthony2690 said:
You would think the prior games were shining beacons of historical accuracy with the amount of hate shadows is getting....
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Because since AC1 people wanted AC set in Japan, that was since forever the most requested setting. When fans get it, this is the turd that they will have to play to enjoy the setting.

Is this clear now?
 
Angry_Megalodon

Angry_Megalodon

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baphomet said:
I'm aware what it means in context to non-fiction.

Questioning the historical accuracy of science fiction is retarded.

"I'm not sure but I think this Tatooine place may not be real."
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You aren't. Your reasoning is flawed and contradicts itself. Let me enlighten you.

When Ubisoft hires "people from different backgrounds and beliefs" as they claim, It is because they pursue legitimacy and historical accuracy. Of course, every AC game tries to be accurate in the settings in which they take place. Science fiction or fantasy elements are foreign to that. They aren't real so they are out of the conversion.

The historical alterations they have made in previous games and this one have been fueled by ideology, as they admitted, so arguing this is also out of the table. However, one of their defenses over Yasuke was precisely his "historical accuracy" which proved to be a lie. And now we are back to "it's fantasy!".

Assassin's Creed happens in a historical setting, with real people, societies, and customs. Those MUST be accurate, regardless of the fantasy elements. So, mistakes in the architecture, in the Yasuke character or the fucking melons are still mistakes, and cannot be justified by "fantasy!". It's childish. It's stupid.
 
Gonzito

Gonzito

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LectureMaster said:
www.thegamer.com

You Don't Actually Care About Assassin's Creed Shadows' Watermelons

Latest footage for Assassin's Creed Shadows shows cherry blossoms and watermelon in season together. Yes, that's the whole story.
www.thegamer.com www.thegamer.com


In the latest gameplay showcase for Assassin's Creed Shadows, we see Yasuke walking through a market. To his left, there is a cart of watermelons - a pretty common sight in Japan. In the background, a smattering of cherry blossoms decorate the horizons in full bloom - again, another common sight. For some, this has become the latest in a long line of reasons why Assassin's Creed Shadows will be the worst game of all time.

The reason for this is because watermelon season is late-April to mid-August, while cherry blossoms bloom through March and into early-April. They don't have any strict crossover, though nature does not work to our specific Gregorian time scales. More to the point, watermelons had not yet arrived in Japan, and so the presence of both is an anachronistic goof. Of course, this in itself is not the reason that people believe Assassin's Creed Shadows will be the worst game of all time, it's just what they're saying right now. Why they actually think that is because Yasuke is Black.

This has been the whole story all along. At first it was endless debates about the historical accuracy of Yasuke, despite many historical texts of him existing and the general dramatic flair Assassin's Creed has shown previously, like when you had a fistfight with the Pope under the Vatican. Though there are legitimate concerns about Shadows' overall quality to be aired, so much of the general discourse is either wrapped up in people who are hiding their racism behind disingenuous complaints or simply aren't hiding it at all.


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This lady is a clown
 
Sintoid

Sintoid

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That's the real problem
Don't care about history accurancy or black people
I care about this game looks like same old Ubisoft Shit I don't buy since a long time

Deal with it while you look for another job dear Wokers
 
Rudius

Rudius

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Braag said:
Articles like these do so much damage to a game's reputation. This makes it seem like Shadows has actually taken a firm stance in the whole culture war, whether it did or didn't doesn't really matter at this point.
If I was a dev and someone wrote an article like that on my game's behalf, I'd be furious, cause it definitely deters some potential customers from buying the game.
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These people are insane. If they had just forgot about it the game would sell at least mediocre numbers, as it's probably a mediocre game, but with all this crap it should bomb hard.
 
KungFucius

KungFucius

King Snowflake
If you question historical accuracy of a fictional game you are making something out of nothing and do not understand what historical accuracy means, especially when we are talking about a game where one dude kills dozens of dudes as he takes over outposts.

Is it racism? Maybe. Is it moronic to try to cite historical accuracy in this case? Yes. Was it a strange choice by Ubisoft to put a huge black dude in a a game set in feudal Japan? Absofuckinglutely. It's weird. Historical accuracy is only a piece of the weirdness.
 
genesisblock

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Crystal Winters said:
To be fair, it was actually really cool when they did that in Samurai Champloo.

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And there's a difference. Samurai Champloo celebrates Hip Hop culture which is littered throughout the film. You even have a few guys beatboxing which is clearly out of place in a traditional historical setting. However, because it was designed with anachronism, it compliments the narrative without distorting the theme. Yasuke's inclusion of this music is so out-of-place, that it was clearly intended by a out-of-touch social justice warrior who thinks they're doing a favour to black people in general.


KungFucius said:
If you question historical accuracy of a fictional game you are making something out of nothing and do not understand what historical accuracy means, especially when we are talking about a game where one dude kills dozens of dudes as he takes over outposts.

Is it racism? Maybe. Is it moronic to try to cite historical accuracy in this case? Yes. Was it a strange choice by Ubisoft to put a huge black dude in a a game set in feudal Japan? Absofuckinglutely. It's weird. Historical accuracy is only a piece of the weirdness.
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Maybe you should contact Ubisoft's PR about making it an "immersive and accurate" representation of Japan. The defenders of this, always try to conveniently try to deflect the blame to the consumers and never the thr companies that start led this drama .


https://www.pcgamer.com/games/actio...dows-and-just-made-the-whole-situation-worse/
 
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ssringo

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Shifty1897 said:
It's funny how clipping was a fact of life in the PS2 days but when you see it now in HD it's visually abhorrent. It really does just instantly pull you out of the experience.
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I don't even necessarily mind clipping when it comes to varied outfits not quite looking right during animations. But the dude is just standing there wearing, what I'm guessing is, his standard outfit. Like, they couldn't shift stuff around a little bit to not look awful?
 
Drake

Drake

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These types of articles just don't work anymore. When you've been calling anything and everything racist for a decade its lost all meaning, so people just tune it out.
 
L

Leopold

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As someone who liked the series, I criticized it for the unpolished aspect - it appears to be way better now.

As a professionally trained historian, I criticized not the historical accuracy but the insane, annoying campaigh to present it as super accurate when it is clear that Yasuke as a historical figure existed but we know little about him. However, they hammered a scholar whose book is half fiction and called anyone pointing out the inconsistencies in the narrative a racist.
 
Crystal Winters

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genesisblock said:
And there's a difference. Samurai Champloo celebrates Hip Hop culture which is littered throughout the film. You even have a few guys beatboxing which is clearly out of place in a traditional historical setting. However, because it was designed with anachronism, it compliments the narrative without distorting the theme. Yasuke's inclusion of this music is so out-of-place, that it was clearly intended by a out-of-touch social justice warrior who thinks they're doing a favour to black people in general.




Maybe you should contact Ubisoft's PR about making it an "immersive and accurate" representation of Japan. The defenders of this, always try to conveniently try to deflect the blame to the consumers and never the thr companies that start led this drama .


https://www.pcgamer.com/games/actio...dows-and-just-made-the-whole-situation-worse/
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Make no mistake, I do agree with you. I hope I did not misrepresent my stance. My real goal was to show there was a right way to do it (SC) and a wrong way (AC) thank you for explaining it better than I could.
 
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bigdad2007

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Historical accuracy or no, the devs knew what they were doing when the did this. They didn’t do it because they thought it would be cool to play a black samurai. They did it to cause all the culture war crap. It was a marketing ploy for years because they know it ment the media would cover the controversy.

It was unfortunate for them the game took too long to come out and the pendulum has swung the other way. Stockholders have realized people who extol SJW ideals don’t actually buy stuff in numbers to support blockbuster movies or AAA games.

Also regardless of historical accuracy this would be like if you made an AC game based on the Zulus and were like “well actually there was this white Dutch guy the Zulus all looked up to we are making him the player character”. The same people defending AC Shadows would lose their shit.
 
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