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[Alexios]

What does the word “optimize” mean to you? It’s a five year old console with an even older ARM chip at its core. There is no secret sauce in there left to pull better performance. At this point it’s just a series of choices with an associated trade-off.

Eh, just cos Nintendo funds Platinum and wants something in return (namely some co-ownership for the series they fund) doesn't make them first party the same like internal team games. Xeno 3 isn't on that level either, it's much more stable despite the scale (and an RPG, so hiccups matter less).

Ofcourse it is the dev's own fault (or goal)! Bayonetta 1 runs near flawlessly and is still an over the top crazy cool game, they could work on its (or DMC4's) level with whatever improvements they can squeeze/specialize for Switch vs multiplatform and new story/levels/mechanics but didn't do so.

For all you know Platinum would make the exact same decisions on any hardware, push scale, action, further at the expense of resolution, performance, etc. vs other games. Also they don't magically become AAA like Capcom and DMCV just cos Nintendo funds a B series/studio nobody else did.

Anyway, I don't think anybody would think Bayonetta 3 with its issues bests the best of PS360 yet between Dark Souls, Bayonetta, Crysis trilogy and other/Nintendo games Switch has shown it exceeds that by a good margin so it's not at fault if some devs don't try to shoot for that level, or can't.

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To be honest they should have probably just gone for 30fps like Astral Chain for Bayonetta 3 and finely tune it to be super consistent instead. That would work out better for the Switch itself, for the game being hopefully both more impressive and more consistent, and for future 60fps ports too.

Pokemon is on a system with Dragon Quest XI (and indeed the Xenoblade games among others) in the same genre, come on. It's on UE4 and wasn't an exclusive or even made with Switch in mind as the portable version was supposed to be the wholly different 3DS game Japan got. And it's ace.

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And yet people are mad and call them anti consumer because they don't try to make folks upgrade within the same gen? What happens if a Switch Pro can't do 4K/60 then, either in specific games or all of them but offers other improvements, it'll be anti consumer there's no New Switch Pro?

 

[justiceiro]

While I get the point, this is not a well written article. It literally hand pick the worst performing games across all platforms, and mix with the most poor performance-wise developers as "examples", while ignores the incredible results nier, no man's sky and ark achieved. Hell, they claim square gave up on bring their game while literally mentioning nier, a square game, made by the same people who bought Bayonetta 3, which they also mention. Like, wtf?

Don't like how it takes data from it's ass regarding switch stock either.

I don't really like the switch, but most of those arguments ignores factual evidence in favor of a made up threshold of how "acceptable" this product are. Nintendo fans just had a console that had its life cycle halved because it sold so poorly. Suggesting releasing a new console will appease these same fans is short sighted at best.

This is probably the first article ever that you have better information reading only the title than it's entire content.

 

[Deerock71]

I don't think Scarlet and Violet running like garbage is entirely the Switch's fault.

 

[Efren is G.O.A.T.]

Zelda Tears of the Kingdom still being released in this ancient hardware is a crime.

Truer words haven't been spoken since that statement.

 

[M1chl]

I don't want to get banned because of Nintendo, but yeah, they should have done that in like 2018...

 

[BadBurger]

Nintendo is one of the most tonedeaf, anti consumer gaming companies around
they are NOT gonna make a switch pro... hell i'm doubting even a switch 2 at this point, they could ride this train until the end of the 2020s if they wanted. Just look at how long the gameboy lasted

I really enjoy Nintendo games and own an OLED, but this is sadly the truth. As nice of a face as they put on, they are entirely anti consumer in pretty much every way that counts. Every other game company is about chasing that dollar too, don't get me wrong, but at least Microsoft, Sony, and Valve make concessions and occasionally even overt actions of kindness towards their customers. Nintendo? Nope - they are 1000% about that profit above all else, ruthless.

 

[Deerock71]

Oh great, another Switch Pro thread...

That new Indiana Jones game!

 

[iHaunter]

OLED is a must. That screen on the OLED switch is gorgeous. I need to find an ifix it to replace the Deck with the Switch screen. Just cut and paste that sucker onto it.

Gorgeous screen looking at low res, pixly, garbage.

 

[THE DUCK]

Well I for one refuse to buy a switch until they release a new model.......oh wait.......crap.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Gorgeous screen looking at low res, pixly, garbage.

With any luck there will be a cheap Pentile lcd display you can opt for.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Graphics don't matter, gameplay does.

 

[Icymanipulator]

Pro model makes no sense anymore.
They should be working full time on Switch 2 or whatever they will call it. New console. It’s way too late for a mid Gen refresh at this point.

 

[rabbity-thing]

Graphics don't matter, gameplay does.

 

[kubricks]

Graphics don't matter, gameplay does.

It does when it has to do with frame rate and frame pacing, it affects the gameplay greatly.

I can handle low res texture, I dont mind low resolution on the small handheld screen, I have no issue with a stable 30fps, to give you some idea I have over 200hours on the Switcher 3, and 60hours on the latest Nier Automata.

However, playing games with constant stuttering like Age of Calamity and many other ports physically makes me sick. This is not unacceptable.

 

[mysticboy]

What does the word “optimize” mean to you? It’s a five year old console with an even older ARM chip at its core. There is no secret sauce in there left to pull better performance. At this point it’s just a series of choices with an associated trade-off.

 

[Knightime_X]

Skip pro, go straight to Switch 2.
Make it BC. If not, at least make the games 1080p (720p minimum) 60fps ffs.

 

[Fully engaged]

IGN whatever, no research doing dumb ass wet behind the ears stupid fucks who are only working at a gaming site to try and suck off someone into a real job at a woke video game publisher they jerk off about every night..

 

[Zuzu]

My hope is for 2.5tf docked performance with all the support for modern things such as vrr, hdr, variable rate shading etc. and dlss 3.x. Also please have an oled model available at launch. Even if they want to offer a lower priced lcd model as well I so hope they’ll have an oled model available at the get go also.

 

[cireza]

I'd rather see them come back to proper, dedicated handheld gaming. A New 3DS system, with BC, bring back 3D, with passive cooling, low resolution, and good battery life.

 

[Marvel14]

Switch fans deserve an upgrade. That doesn’t mean they’ll get one.​

Seriously, Nintendo, It’s Time to Release a Switch Pro - IGN

The Nintendo Switch was out of date on release, and the years haven’t done it any favors. Nintendo fans deserve a next-gen Switch Pro. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean they’ll get one.

www.ign.com

A portable PS3/Xbox360 was not "out of date" in 2017.

 

[Marvel14]

My hope is for 2.5tf docked performance with all the support for modern things such as vrr, hdr, variable rate shading etc. and dlss 3.x. Also please have an oled model available at launch. Even if they want to offer a lower priced lcd model as well I so hope they’ll have an oled model available at the get go also.

They should ditch lcd. Wii U showed that if your hardware is low tech, out of date design and relies on a gimmick for sales people will not buy it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

What they should name it: Switch 2.

What they will name it: The New Switch

They should ditch lcd. Wii U showed that if your hardware is low tech, out of date design and relies on a gimmick for sales people will not buy it.

LCD is still cheaper. You also do not worry about the burn in, and in games with static UI elements this can be an issue. Also a lot of people have OLED TVs, so if they primarily game on the TV it's useless to them.

I like the idea of maybe making a beefier dock that will increase the performance of the base Switch.

 

[The Skull]

What a fucking stupid article.

 

[Soosa]

What they should name it: Switch 2.

What they will name it: The New Switch

LCD is still cheaper. You also do not worry about the burn in, and in games with static UI elements this can be an issue. Also a lot of people have OLED TVs, so if they primarily game on the TV it's useless to them.

I like the idea of maybe making a beefier dock that will increase the performance of the base Switch.

Come on, "oled is useless to gamers" is such a bullshit statement.

Few first gen of oleds had these problems, but modern ones wont get burnin unless you run some static image for thousands of hours without anything else AKA not realistic case.

If they game 95% of the time and only play 1-2 games, then maybe there is small chance, but even then you have to abuse the TV to make it happen.

I have had Sony OLED since 2020 december, have over 6000 hours on it, maybe 3/4 is gaming and there havent been any burn in problems.

yes, you can get unlucky, but fear of burn-in is not the case anymore basically. And they can still make "rules to devs" about static GUI placement, to lower the burn-in chance even more.

But nintendo is cheaping out on hardware, so it is possible that they still use lcd.

Also, there would already be a good SoC, if Nintendo would not cheap out, they could have started to engineer custom SoC with NVIDIA years ago and now have something efficent + fast, but they want to use some slow/cheaper off the shelf part like they did with original switch.

Android SoCs have come long way since 2016, so it is not like mobile tech havent evolved. Only excuse that Nintendo can use is that they didnt want to pay to get new SoC from Nvidia.

Switch performance were pretty bad on release, and is abysmall by now, can't except much better from switch 2. Maybe PS4 performance level +-20 % when docked if we are lucky.

 

[Poppyseed]

Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity was when I realized we needed better hardware. Game ran like ass. Since then things have gotten progressively worse.

I should be excited about Crisis Core on Switch but all I can think about is how does it run?

And Xenoblade 3 only makes you think it’s running well. Late game resolution and frame rate I swear is closer to 480p/20. It’s so blurry at times I couldn’t believe it.

 

[Lunarorbit]

It's embarrassing that they released pokemon in the state they did. I have shield and I'll never buy a pokemon game again. The world was empty and limited and felt really lazy.

The point for a system refresh was a couple years ago. Since animal crossing I've only played the switch a little. I think it's great for indies and Nintendo games where they give a shit but thats the m.o. for the switch it's entire life.

 

[spons]

It's going to be either underpowered sub-par ARM trash, or not going to be backwards compatible. Pick your poison.

 

[Burger]

It's going to be either underpowered sub-par ARM trash, or not going to be backwards compatible. Pick your poison.

ARM Trash? Some of the most powerful per watt processors that exist?

 

[spons]

ARM Trash? Some of the most powerful per watt processors that exist?

Not referring to ARM being trash by definition, rather the Switch 2 using a trashy processor. Nintendo has little options available on using custom ARM next gen.

 

[Calling 911 Melts Beams]

nintendo should release a switch light that doubles as a ligher for the people smoking so much crack they think nintendo will ever use technology on par with the others

 

[ParaSeoul]

It does when it has to do with frame rate and frame pacing, it affects the gameplay greatly.

I can handle low res texture, I dont mind low resolution on the small handheld screen, I have no issue with a stable 30fps, to give you some idea I have over 200hours on the Switcher 3, and 60hours on the latest Nier Automata.

However, playing games with constant stuttering like Age of Calamity and many other ports physically makes me sick. This is not unacceptable.

 

[64bitmodels]

"graphics don't matter."

Ok, let me smash your TV then. Let's see how much you like the game with no graphics to look at. That game play will surely make up for 0 display right?

 

[Mister Wolf]

We're due for the Switch 2. Go all in with an Ada Lovelace GPU.

 

[benjohn]

Switch released 5 years ago and there's still misundrestanding about what it is. It IS NOT your PS5 or Series X. It's practically a tablet which can be connected to your tv. Ofcourse it's not going to perform as well as a home console. And what happened to the last company who released a console every 2 years? Yeah I mean Sega.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

I never owned a switch just because its hardware was absolete before production even began.......
I know I missed out on a few gems (did play Astral Chain on a borrowed switch. Game was fucking awesome), but I refuse to pay top dollar for shit hardware.... Kinda like IOS devices. (let the flaming commence)

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Switch released 5 years ago and there's still misundrestanding about what it is. It IS NOT your PS5 or Series X. It's practically a tablet which can be connected to your tv. Ofcourse it's not going to perform as well as a home console. And what happened to the last company who released a console every 2 years? Yeah I mean Sega.

Stop it. Just stop. Nintendo sold it as a console. Not a Tablet, or nextgen DS, a console.

We can make all the comparisons we want, because the target demographic is the same and the intended purpose of the device.

Nice to see you kiss Nintendo's feet though....

 

[Deleted member 1159]

nvidia really shouldn’t have a problem creating an SoC of Steam Deck’s caliber with a lower TDP which can be produced inexpensively at scale in the next year. They could have a $300-$350 version and still break even.

That they’re not doing this is probably just a sign that they’re pretty content with the insane volume the Switch keeps moving with what I only assume are huge margins at this point.

 

[Romulus]

Yeah it's way overdue and Switch hardware wasn't even great in 2017 when it released.

 

[Romulus]

I am actually impressed with what this Portable Super PS3/360 can do.

360 chipset was finalized in 2004 lol

 

[UnNamed]

They will not release a new console as long as they sold 20M units a year. It would be insane.

 

[benjohn]

Stop it. Just stop. Nintendo sold it as a console. Not a Tablet, or nextgen DS, a console.

We can make all the comparisons we want, because the target demographic is the same and the intended purpose of the device.

Nice to see you kiss Nintendo's feet though....

Common don't play victim. You talk as though somebody conned you into buying a switch. Everybody and their mother knew what a switch was. You're the only one pretending to be fooled and sorry I don't buy that

 

[Woopah]

Also, there would already be a good SoC, if Nintendo would not cheap out, they could have started to engineer custom SoC with NVIDIA years ago and now have something efficent + fast, but they want to use some slow/cheaper off the shelf part like they did with original switch.

Android SoCs have come long way since 2016, so it is not like mobile tech havent evolved. Only excuse that Nintendo can use is that they didnt want to pay to get new SoC from Nvidia.

Switch performance were pretty bad on release, and is abysmall by now, can't except much better from switch 2. Maybe PS4 performance level +-20 % when docked if we are lucky.

That's exactly what they are doing.

Stop it. Just stop. Nintendo sold it as a console. Not a Tablet, or nextgen DS, a console.

We can make all the comparisons we want, because the target demographic is the same and the intended purpose of the device.

Nice to see you kiss Nintendo's feet though....

People can make comparisons. But people also understand that the Switch was never going to be as powerful as a PS4, just like people understand that the PS5 was never going to be as portable as a Switch.

 

[chromatic9]

They'll make another with better hardware when it's cheap enough, which will leave some wanting again.

 

[MALpractice311]

I'll never understand people who waste their time demanding that Nintendo try to compete on technology. They've confirmed that they are opposed to bleeding edge tech both vocally on many occasions and in practice given that everyone of their home consoles have been behind their competitors going as far back as the N64.

 

[Killer8]

Yup it's long overdue and a travesty to their brilliant software

Is it really long overdue? We had to wait 7 years for PS5/XSX. As long as Switch Pro is out sometime next year, it seems like it's perfectly on time.

Not like there is a huge amount of urgency to release it, given the sales and how well the old Tegra X1 chip is holding up.

 

[ChoosableOne]

Just play "jet sound" in the background and there you have it-- Switch pro.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Is it really long overdue? We had to wait 7 years for PS5/XSX. As long as Switch Pro is out sometime next year, it seems like it's perfectly on time.

Not like there is a huge amount of urgency to release it, given the sales and how well the old Tegra X1 chip is holding up.

We disagree that's fine i think it’s long overdue

 

[lachesis]

When I heard of OLED model last year, I realized Nintendo isn't coming out a "pro" model till actual successor.

My guess for so called "pro" or "switch2" will happen in 2024. Sales are still strong for Switch family at the moment. In 2024, it would be around 2nd year sale... so I assume they'll build up momentum from late next year, for 2024 release.

 

[Trunx81]

As someone who played the Borderlands 2 port on PS Vita in its original glory, I am used to suffering. A SwitcherOO would be nice, but it means new hardware (expensive), skalpers, high prices in the beginning, shortage due to the chip problems worldwide, etc. As long as the Switch 1 is selling, Nintendo won’t make a move.

 

[Flutta]

I mean why would they? They’re still selling those old ass switches like they were released yesterday.

It’s called good biz, y’ll mofos think Ninty cares about what you want?