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[Vick]

A true night and day difference compared to the, borderline cringe-inducing, original presentation stream:




Even as a YouTube-encoded (and re-encoded again for the download) file, and even and especially considering the games they presented already have almost impeccable image quality in their Performance modes on a regular PS5, the difference remains not only evident but objectively quite pronounced at times, and not just for the obvious and expected PS5 Performance Mode vs. Pro:

But, surprisingly, for PS5 Fidelity vs Pro as well:

And it's important to note motion blur is disabled in the Fidelity footage for TLOU Part II.

Now I can't wait for proper, direct-feed comparisons as I'm sure we'll see pretty interesting results.
And personally, the idea of playing 60fps games on a Console with this kind of IQ (and again, these are not only from YT but re-encoded another time) is absolutely wild:

 

[ZehDon]

Great work on the OP, thanks for putting the gifs together!

 

[Draugoth]

Finally you can see the diference.

Image is pretty sharper compared to base PS5, but i dont see any texture differences whatsoever, everything is clearly just upscaled

 

[TommyCronin6969]

Good job doing what Sony should have done.

Also.

 

[analog_future]

This is definitely more like it. If I didn’t have a high end PC I’d pick up a PS5 Pro.

 

[LectureMaster]

Great work, OP! Appreciate the gifs.

While the differences are very noticeable in comparison, I doubt those would result a significant improvement in a real gaming session.

I am also curious to see some games that PS5 really struggled with performance , like DD2, FF7 Rebirth etc.

 

[Quantum253]

Sweet. They gave the PS5 a pair of designer glasses

 

[Humdinger]

Noticeable differences.

 

[Topher]

Still want to see how PS5 Pro does with UE5 games, but this shows some some real differences that are impressive.

Nice work, Vick

 

[Fake]

Imagine Sony doing that.

 

[Gaiff]

Looks fantastic. PSSR might just be a game changer for Sony.

 

[sendit]

Glad I stopped playing Final Fantasy Rebirth (10 hours in) a few months ago.

 

[scydrex]

The difference is there but those aren't the best games to show. DD2, FF7 Rebirt, maybe Black Myth, Alan Wake 2 and etc. I just can't play rebirth in blurry mode.

 

[Three]

Now all we need are some nice framerate tests in Elden Ring, Dragons Dogma 2 and the like. Looking forward to them.

 

[chessy_08]

Yeah sony botched this with the crappy compressed youtube video

 

[ChiefDada]

Really nice work here, OP. PSSR is shaping up very nicely. Everything looks awesome but the Horizon scenes and the close up shot of Ellie really stood out to me with insane detail.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

FInally you can see the diference.

Image is pretty sharper, but i dont see any texture differences whatsoever, everythign is clearly just upscaled

pisser in action

 

[Topher]

Really nice work here, OP. PSSR is shaping up very nicely. Everything looks awesome but the Horizon scenes and the close up shot of Ellie really stood out to me with insane detail.

Everything popped in those Horizon scenes. Looked fantastic. The side by side of TLOU 2 was impressive as well.

 

[Jesb]

We’re not really going to get to see just how good the improvements will be until this is out in the wild and we have a lot of games to draw comparisons. Especially more current top looking games like wukong, Alan wake 2, cyberpunk, ect. This is a better look but it’s still remains to be seen how much of a game changer PSSR will be.

 

[Fahdis]

Is this the first time console players are experiencing AI Upscaling?

 

[Topher]

We’re not really going to get to see just how good the improvements will be until this is out in the wild and we have a lot of games to draw comparisons. Especially more current top looking games like wukong, Alan wake 2, cyberpunk, ect. This is a better look but it’s still remains to be seen how much of a game changer PSSR will be.

Hopefully Sony will provide some units to outlets for independent testing and analysis.

 

[scydrex]

Is this the first time console players are experiencing AI Upscaling?

Consoles are stuck with the FSR crap. It's garbage. We hope the PSSR is better than FSR.

 

[Topher]

Is this the first time console players are experiencing AI Upscaling?

Good upscaling? Yeah....pretty much is. Well....this good anyway.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

So John was right the image is sharper than 4k similar to how DLSS works

 

[tmlDan]

Great work, OP! Appreciate the gifs.

While the differences are very noticeable in comparison, I doubt those would result a significant improvement in a real gaming session.

I am also curious to see some games that PS5 really struggled with performance , like DD2, FF7 Rebirth etc.

The real test will be PS5 only first party games from big studios, still waiting sadly

 

[Gaiff]

I will say though, I think Sony fucked up. They should have nerded it up some more with actual numbers to show the real differences. As it is, they had a shitty feed showing people barely perceptible image differences and asking for $700. They should have gone with resolution and frame rate numbers and perhaps shown a grid to show how PSSR fills out the additional pixels and how much of a dramatic improvement it really is over FSR/TAA/IGTI.

This console is for enthusiasts, so they should have vehiculated their message to them. That 9 minutes demo showing 5 seconds clips didn't cut it.

Is this the first time console players are experiencing AI Upscaling?

 

[Vick]

Great work, OP! Appreciate the gifs.

While the differences are very noticeable in comparison, I doubt those would result a significant improvement in a real gaming session.

Appreaciated man.
As for the noticeable improvement during a gaming session, try to watch the video at 4K/60fps on a proper screen. Difference jumps at you immediately and not due to the comparison but simply because of how stunning the 60fps footage is. There's absolutely no way you wouldn't be able to appreaciate such a difference even simply playing casually.

I am also curious to see some games that PS5 really struggled with performance , like DD2, FF7 Rebirth etc.

Actually there is footage from both DD2 and FF7 Rebirth in the video, I've included some screens in the OP. Improvement on the latter is immediately appreciable already.

 

[Fahdis]

I will say though, I think Sony fucked up. They should have nerded it up some more with actual numbers to show the real differences. As it is, they had a shitty feed showing people barely perceptible image differences and asking for $700. They should have gone with resolution and frame rate numbers and perhaps shown a grid to show how PSSR fills out the additional pixels and how much of a dramatic improvement it really is over FSR/TAA/IGTI.

Still not worth $700 my guy. But its a Vick Thread. Dude is always remarkably thorough.

 

[vivftp]

Amazing work OP

Since day 1 of getting my launch PS5 I've been craving the Pro so I wouldn't have to choose between fidelity and performance modes. The Pro will be the solution to that issue for the majority of games and I can't friggin' wait. Just these examples alone have me salivating and this is just the tip of the iceberg

 

[kevboard]

Is this the first time console players are experiencing AI Upscaling?

sadly yes, because Intel still doesn't open up XeSS for console use. they said they will eventually make it open source n shit, but that has yet to happen.

XeSS has the potential to improve console image quality above FSR2/3. yes, even with the higher hit to performance it has, because XeSS can actually run at a lower base resolution than FSR2/3 while still exceeding its image clarity, especially in motion.

 

[nick776]

This is more like it, Sony should have uploaded this quality in the first place. I can actually see an appreciable difference in the image quality. One thing is curious though--in one of the R&C images in the video a comparison starting at about 4:46 a juxtaposition is made between PS5 fidelity and PS5 PRO. However, the image quality looks noticeably better on some of the textures so I am almost wondering if they mis-labeled the comparison and that it was actually a comparison between PS5 Performance and PS5 Pro (look at the area where the plants are in the silver-grey sections of the flower beds).

 

[Jesb]

Hopefully Sony will provide some units to outlets for independent testing and analysis.

That would be the smart thing to do. Give it to DF and other outlets to give us more to base a purchase on. But I don’t know if they will. Sony seems lost and I don’t trust that they will do the right thing. Some of their decisions are so awful. Using bad quality for their presentation, using ps4 games to showcase differences, not showing high profile 3rd party games.

 

[RPS37]

Good job doing what Sony should have done.

Also.

It seems sooooo subtle

 

[ZehDon]

This feels like going from the "Medium" to "High" preset, in terms of clarity:

Is it extra? Sure. But is it nice to have for those who want it? Absolutely.

 

[Windom Earle]

okay

 

[Darkkahn]

Looks great! GTA VI should run at 60fps on PS5 Pro easily!

 

[vivftp]

The difference is there but those aren't the best games to show. DD2, FF7 Rebirt, maybe Black Myth, Alan Wake 2 and etc. I just can't play rebirth in blurry mode.

The thing is, Sony themselves aren't likely to show comparisons for third party games, they'll do it with first party. Third party devs/pubs aren't likely to be keen having their base console games made to look "bad" for the sake of advertising the new Pro console. Sony can do that just fine with their own games as they're the platform holder.

We'll get the comparisons you desire, but others like Digital Foundry and whatnot will be the ones to do that.

 

[//DEVIL//]

if not for the gifs i wouldnt tell any difference.

So far this is just a waste of money

 

[R6Rider]

Very nice!

 

[ap_puff]

This is more than what you get from going from $500 to $700 on a GPU in PC-land. Imagine going from a 7800XT for $500 with no DLSS to a 4070 Ti Super for $700. Except a 4070 Ti Super is only 30% faster than a 7800XT, while the PS5 Pro is 45% faster than the PS5. I think $700 is a fair price for what you're getting. Sure the console crowd may not be used to it... but like Leather Jacket Man said... "Moore's law is dead". From now on you're going to be paying more for more performance.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

How the fuck do you botch a product launch in such a way that the media have to do your job in putting together a proper presentation to promote your product.

The hell is going on over there at PlayStation??!!

Appreciate the OP for putting together this information.

 

[Vick]

Also. This difference is not even worth upgrade at all.

Well, to me it unquestionably is. But I understand, even though it's important to note these are game that already look great on a normal PS5.

It's not hard to imagine the true upgrade will be recognized once those awful looking titles, that according to DF Sony couldn't show directly for understandable reasons, like Jedi: Survivor, Wukong and the likes, get compared to how they run on this machine.

 

[adamsapple]

Image is pretty sharper compared to base PS5, but i dont see any texture differences whatsoever, everything is clearly just upscaled

Well, yes. PSSR is just an AI driven up-scaler. It only improves the clarity. Things like improved textures etc the developers would specifically have to go back and update via patches.

 

[Brigandier]

How the fuck do you botch a product launch in such a way that the media have to do your job in putting together a proper presentation to promote your product.

The hell is going on over there at PlayStation??!!

Appreciate the OP for putting together this information.

They took the criticism regarding the Cerny talk about the PS5 a little too seriously lol....

The way Cerny rushed through the important stuff was very odd.

Sony should have been in depth and clear about the RT and PSSR capabilities more and show better examples all in a much better quality stream, It would have stopped many of the "lol looks the same" idiots for sure and such negativity.

Like you say what's going on over at PlayStation?.

 

[vivftp]

if not for the gifs i wouldnt tell any difference.

Also. This difference is not even worth upgrade at all.

Spider-Man Miles Morales
Demon's Souls
Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart
Horizon Forbidden West
God of War Ragnarok
The Last of Us Part 1 (Remake)
The Last of Us Part 2 (Remastered)
Spider-Man 2


These are just a few of the games I've spent this entire gen so far constantly flipping back and forth between fidelity and performance modes while playing so I could see what I'm missing. I absolutely hate the feeling of knowing that I have to make a decision on my console of which mode I'll play and knowing that there is no "best" version to experience on the console. Either option I choose, I'm missing out on something. 40 FPS has helped to mitigate that, but I had already completed many of those games before the 40 FPS patch ever came out.

I'm gaming on a 77" OLED so I can see the difference clear as day. That's why I've been waiting for the Pro since the moment I booted up my PS5 on launch day, and I'm ecstatic that they're pushing the amalgamation of fidelity and performance modes into a singular, definitive experience on the Pro. It's fine if not every single game goes down that path, so long as most of them do I'll be happy

As for worth, that's really in the eye of the beholder. For me it's 100% worth the upgrade. Of course each person will have to make their own call. Anyone on the fence will have to wait for more info to be revealed to make up their mind.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

People complained because they showed TLOU P2, calling it a PS4 game, knowing full well that this is not the PS4 version but the PS5 Remaster and easily one of the best looking games on the market...

I really don't know why we can't have honest discourse.

 

[EviLore]

Better job with the OP than Sony's actual presentation did Vick . In these comparisons, it's a pretty decent clarity upgrade over fidelity mode plus double the framerate. Not bad.

 

[vivftp]

People complained because they showed TLOU P2, calling it a PS4 game, knowing full well that this is not the PS4 version but the PS5 Remaster and easily one of the best looking games on the market...

I really don't know why we can't have honest discourse.

Folks are reactionary and like to rush to get a hot take out there.

 

[arkhamguy123]

Lol you gotta be shitting me

$700 for this where’s Waldo difference

 

[Gaiff]

This is more than what you get from going from $500 to $700 on a GPU in PC-land. Imagine going from a 7800XT for $500 with no DLSS to a 4070 Ti Super for $700. Except a 4070 Ti Super is only 30% faster than a 7800XT, while the PS5 Pro is 45% faster than the PS5. I think $700 is a fair price for what you're getting. Sure the console crowd may not be used to it... but like Leather Jacket Man said... "Moore's law is dead". From now on you're going to be paying more for more performance.

Yeah, let’s use the prices of a company known to rip off its customers to prove that Sony ain’t that bad.

NVIDIA, the company that sells 8GB $400 GPUs in 2024. NVIDIA, the company that managed to somehow make the RTX 4060 slower than the 3060 in some scenarios. NVIDIA, the company that gave their most popular segment a 15% uplift after 2 years. NVIDIA, the company that attempted to sell us an RTX 4070 Ti (really a 4070) for $900 by calling it a 4080 12GB. NVIDIA, the company that went from selling a 3080 for $700 to selling a 4080 for $1200.

Lol. Sony ain’t that bad compared to them gaiz!!