matrix-cat
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...huh?
Hard 'G' as in 'gate' or 'gun', soft 'G' as in 'giraffe' or 'gem'. They're using the character ジ, pronounced 'Ji', when they should be using ギ, pronounced 'Gi'.
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...huh?
Hard 'G' as in 'gate' or 'gun', soft 'G' as in 'giraffe' or 'gem'. They're using the character ジ, pronounced 'Ji', when they should be using ギ, pronounced 'Gi'.
Theanine3D
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That's hilarious. I remember being taught roman numerals in grade school long before the age of 13. Those kids must have been especially dense.
Because ギ is a soft G.
ギ is "G as in Grape" + "ee"
ジ is "G as in the letter G"
dude... do you speak japanese? I took 4 years of japanese in college.
It's not a soft G. Their spelling uses a "hard G" in japanese.
gate and gun are not hard G's. A hard G is what you are describing as "giraffe" and "gem." You have confused the terms "soft g" and "hard g"
Ghibli is pronounced with a hard G.
EDIT: Actually, it seems I have confused the terms hard and soft G, which is where our confusion stems from.
matrix-cat
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OK there, chief.
pirateluigi
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I just spit out my water......chick-a-boo LOL
LiegeWaffle
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No, it's not:
ヨッシー
the awesome thing about japanese is that pronunciation is unambigous. Yo (geminated consonant) Shii.
The ッ indicates a slight pause between characters. It's literally Yo-Shii.
Gemination is not a pause, it is elongation of a consonant.
But yes, syllables in Japanese can only end with N as a consonant or no consonant at all.
Earthpainting
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If by 'all derivative languages' you mean 'English', then sure. Pronouncing TI as TEE is the norm, including in Latin.
EDIT
Should have refreshed the page on before replying, since people had already pointed it out. Mobile GAF problems.
Then germination isn't the word I'm looking for
but ッ in japanese indicates a vocal pause before the proceeding consonant.
It is not Yosh-ee, the spelling right there in japanese tells you that it's "Yo Shii"
This honestly makes me wanna kill myself...
bobawesome
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Krejlooc proving, once again, that he's the smartest guy in the room.
Because Tidus is named after the Okinawan word for sun, not after water.
I have a friend who pronounces Midgar as Midjar. And chocobos as choco-bos, as in chocolate. I kinda want to slap him.
PensivePen
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Square annoyed me when they pronounced Cecil incorrectly in the voiced Final Fantasy IV remake.
Tidus' name is pronounced Tee-da in Japanese and stems from an Okinawan dialect (Ryukyu) that means "Sun".
Yuna stems from that same dialect, and means "Moon".
Remember getting their ultimate weapons? Tidus was the Sun and Yuna was the moon.
Wakka comes from the Ainu (indigenous Japanese) language, and means "Water".
So no, they weren't going for Tide-dus for the name, nor would they see the connection as Japanese speakers. Wakka is the water guy. So why does Tidus use a water sword in all the promotional material? Because that's Wakka's brother's sword. Wakka gave Tidus it at the beginning. Obviously you use other swords throughout the game and his ultimate weapon is associated with the Sun.
So Tidus isn't the water guy. Wakka's family is.
Case closed.
EDIT: Goddamnit StoneFox! I was gonna drop some knowledge here! I still inadvertently say Tide-dus though.
Yuna stems from that same dialect, and means "Moon".
Remember getting their ultimate weapons? Tidus was the Sun and Yuna was the moon.
Wakka comes from the Ainu (indigenous Japanese) language, and means "Water".
So no, they weren't going for Tide-dus for the name, nor would they see the connection as Japanese speakers. Wakka is the water guy. So why does Tidus use a water sword in all the promotional material? Because that's Wakka's brother's sword. Wakka gave Tidus it at the beginning. Obviously you use other swords throughout the game and his ultimate weapon is associated with the Sun.
So Tidus isn't the water guy. Wakka's family is.
Case closed.
I had to change the way I say his name too. But now it is the right way now that I'm studying Japanese. Japan would never pronounce it that way... it would have been represented as Taidasu otherwise.
EDIT: Goddamnit StoneFox! I was gonna drop some knowledge here! I still inadvertently say Tide-dus though.
One of the NPC's actually mispronounces his name, Geralts reaction is hilarious.
LiegeWaffle
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Oh no, gemination is the correct term for the process in Japanese. It does, indeed, sound somewhat similar to a pause in case of stops (but even then you can see by changes in formants at the end of the preceding vowel that it is exactly a long consonant and not a pause); in case of fricatives like "sh", however, you actually elongate then, so there is no pause in word "yosshi".
Well, the original word is said as a voiced velar fricative, which is not a sound in either English or Japanese. So you have to replace it with something, and in Japanese transliteration they chose "ji". How is it supposed to sound in English? Well, "g as in green" is closer to original word, and "g as in genre" or "g as in joke" are closer to the Japanese pronunciation (though that's arguable). Or you could try to use the original pronunciation or Japanese pronunciation, but then it will sound off in English sentences. So, you see, I found five options to pronounce "Ghibli", and all of them are probably equally good!
345triangle
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i sure do! i've lived here for seven years.
oh. yeah, then it all makes sense.
they still could've/should've gone with ギブリ, but they didn't for whatever reason, and here we are with a soft G.
Triggerhappytel
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95% of my exposure to the character was FFVII, where she was called Aeris, so I have and will continue to call her by that name.
This is what I came in looking for. I still can't understand why so many people
Americans
cybercircuit1
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Kremlings as Kremlins. We're not in Russia, guys.
Will you be playing the remake? That will burn Aerith into your mind.
Her name is Aerith in Dissidia.
themidnightsun156
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Ico
some pronounce it I-co, others pronounce it E-co, i pronounce it I-co for the same reason i pronounce ecology and ecosystem with an e, so why the hell would i pronounce a word begining with an I (spelled Ico) E-co? assbackwards if you ask me
some pronounce it I-co, others pronounce it E-co, i pronounce it I-co for the same reason i pronounce ecology and ecosystem with an e, so why the hell would i pronounce a word begining with an I (spelled Ico) E-co? assbackwards if you ask me
Earthpainting
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I gave it some thought, and when I saw the case of Mega Man Times Four, and I decided I'm with you on this.
Yeah, this for me. In my formative gaming years, and in the arcades, Ryu was prone to yelling a bit of 'ha-doo-ooken!'
Interesting stuff! Thanks.
I still think it's understandable that English speakers might see a watersports guy standing in the water holding a water sword on the marketing and think that 'Tidus' must be 'Tide-us' though.
AmethystEnd
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Alright, nothing is going to top the dude whose friend pronounced Chocobo as Chickaboo. Jesus that's funny.
Raonak
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Didn't KH2 retcon that to Tide-us?
Necromanti
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Well, "ee-koh" rather than "eye-koh" is the correct pronunciation because of how it is written in Japanese.
Language was spoken before being written down.
The written word is nothing more than transcribing what we think into written form so that others can read it at a later time, based on a generally accepted set of (generally completely arbitrary) rules.
Thus your latter point makes not much sense as people are just applying their regional accent to the spelling of the name because that's how they internalize it.
Americans pronouncing Lara as Laura is the obvious one.
I remember one of my friends used to call Farfetch'd "Farfetch D"
I remember one of my friends used to call Farfetch'd "Farfetch D"
Craig as "Creg". What even is that?I always enjoy hearing American mouths struggle with 'Lara'. I hear 'Laura', 'Lair-uh', 'Larrah', basically everything but what seems like such a simple, easy 'Lara' to my Australian ears. You guys and your weird Mary/merry/marry thing, not knowing what an 'A' sounds like
Lara isn't really a common name in the US, while "Laura" is one of the most common ones. People say "Well, the names sound different" but... honestly, I thought it was just the accents the people had in those games when I was younger. I didn't even realize it was "Laura" instead of "Lara" till a few years ago, and I've been playing the series since the very first game.
NumberThree
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People don't spell their name differently because they are in a different country, and the correct pronounciation of someone's name doesn't change because of that. Nathan Drake is still Nathan Drake in both spelling and pronounciation even though I live in a non-English speaking country.
Monocle
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Yeah, what's the deal with that?
It's a Brooklyn north/east US thing. First time I heard "Mehrio" was in Ghostbusters.
We said "Mah-rio" down south.
Kyo
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Not really, because they decide on a Roman spelling of their characters' names before localization even starts.
The problem are native speakers of English who just assume that absolutely everything spelled with standard Roman letters is supposed to be pronounced according to their own language's pronunciation quirks. You wouldn't pronounce names like José or Jacques in an American way, yet people just assume that any name that's not obviously taken from another familiar language is meant to be English. But it's a game set in a fantasy world with its very own languages and it's developed by a Japanese company, so there's absolutely no reason to assume it's all based on English.
Oh, I thought it was an Italian thing. I think I heard Pat the NES Punk say that it was once.
That, plus... Mario Monti.
Now I'm confused. I know I heard him introduced as Mehrio Monti in english interviews and I just saw some videos like that on youtube.
But I just watched the beginning of some Italian show and he's introduced as Mahrio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tgoe8sZNPU#t=2
At least we all know how to pronounce that chubby plumber's name correctly.
this is a problem with all speakers of all languages with phonetic alphabets, don't be naive and try to pin this on something only English speakers do. I remember when I worked in jack in the box in highschool and spanish speaking people would pronounce it "yack in the box" or say things "Baniya shake" instead of Vanilla shake.
If you know a phonetic alphabet, and aren't sure the pronunciation of the word or it's place of origin, then of course you're going to pronounce it the way you have learned to sound out words.
Maybe it is? I'm not sure. That area has an enormous italian immigrant population, so perhaps?
Anybody speak italian wanna chime in?
"Maaaaaaaaario". The heck is that? Because that sure as hell isn't the name of the most famous videogame character after Steve?.
The worst thing is the guy bloody says his name all the bloody time and yet people still say it wrong. "Mario". It's short, like the man himself.
The worst thing is the guy bloody says his name all the bloody time and yet people still say it wrong. "Mario". It's short, like the man himself.
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