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[Abriael_GN]

I guess some people already decided they hate the game no matter what.

I'm personally hyped for the game, I have no reason not to be and unlike past FF games they Yoshida and his team were not shy about showing it off and I love everthing I have seen.

Some people feed on misery, other people's and their own. It's definitely a pitiable thing.

 

[Nautilus]

Lmao. "doesn't hurt me, so why would I care wishing harm on others." K, dude. Can't be anymore clearer than that.

Of course? I am a costumer. I will reqard companies with my money on products that I like. I owe no loyalty to a company, the same way no company ows a loyalty to me. I don't get what's funny on this basic concept.

I love Square, and I don't want them to fail. But if I want to do better, to be better, it won't be through rewarding them to making a game that I don't like. I want them to make turn based Final FRantasy again, and the best way for that to happen is for FFs that aren't turn based to underperform.

If Square fails to make money, that's on Square, not me lol. As if any costumer should feel ashamed for not buying something they don't like. This is street nsalesman logic right here, shaming someone for not spending their money when they don't want.

 

[H4ze]

It's stupid to preorder, that's why. I will be there day one, but I will never pay upfront for a product I also can get digitally.

 

[Danjin44]

Some people feed on misery, other people's and their own. It's definitely a pitiable thing.

There are people still shit on BotW/TotK because "its no longer Zelda" in fact there were people who got sad TotK is doing great because it means they wouldn't go back old Zelda style.


If they enjoy feeling misery, I would say let them.

It's stupid to preorder, that's why. I will be there day one, but I will never pay upfront for a product I also can get digitally.

I always preorder on my local EBgames and I never had pay even dime for my pre-orders.

 

[Nautilus]

The slippery slope you're describing is complete nonsense.

If Microsoft started doing that, ALL developers with any decently popular game would offer exclusivity to Sony in an attempt to get Microsoft to pay them for "Non-exclusivity" instead. It's a completely bonkers idea, and it would backfire HORRIBLY.



You do understand that video games aren't made by "companies" but by "people?"

What a miserable point of view.

Miserable? lol

Is Square going to pay me when I get sick? Is they going to pay me a pension when I get old? I am their costumer, and costumers are also "people". I wish them all the best, but if they want to me finance them, then they have to make games that I like.

What a miserable point of view you have. Go buy Gollum and support that dev if you are so worried about devs that underdeliver.

 

[Fess]

What they can do is what they have been doing, offering something that Sony doesn't offer (Game Pass, cloud, etc) and grow these differentiating factors enough that skipping their platform doesn't make economic sense. The result is that Sony can't afford to pay temporary exclusives on *everything* and can only pick and choose a few, because Microsoft's platform is still attractive for a lot of developers.

I’d love a Gamepass release but MS would have to pay not only for potential lost sales on Xbox but also on PS and PC, lots of people have multiple platforms and if the game is ”free” on Xbox then why buy it on PS? And there is also the risk of pissing off people without Xbox or Gamepass that could hurt the PR. MS could no doubt afford it but the more I think about it the more I doubt that SE would do it. I think MS have to aim lower at this point.

 

[TGO]

Fixed that for you.
You're debating the information we do have, not me.
If you say I'm wrong, you have to show that you're right.
So what's your source?

 

[Abriael_GN]

Of course? I am a costumer. I will reqard companies with my money on products that I like. I owe no loyalty to a company, the same way no company ows a loyalty to me. I don't get what's funny on this basic concept.

I love Square, and I don't want them to fail. But if I want to do better, to be better, it won't be through rewarding them to making a game that I don't like. I want them to make turn based Final FRantasy again, and the best way for that to happen is for FFs that aren't turn based to underperform.

If Square fails to make money, that's on Square, not me lol. As if any costumer should feel ashamed for not buying something they don't like. This is street nsalesman logic right here, shaming someone for not spending their money when they don't want.

Miserable? lol

Is Square going to pay me when I get sick? Is they going to pay me a pension when I get old? I am their costumer, and costumers are also "people". I wish them all the best, but if they want to me finance them, then they have to make games that I like.

What a miserable point of view you have. Go buy Gollum and support that dev if you are so worried about devs that underdeliver.

If you can't tell the difference between "not buying something" and "actively hoping the work of hundreds of developers fails" you're beyond help.

I’d love a Gamepass release but MS would have to pay not only for potential lost sales on Xbox but also on PS and PC, lots of people have multiple platforms and if the game is ”free” on Xbox then why buy it on PS? And there is also the risk of pissing off people without Xbox or Gamepass that could hurt the PR. MS could no doubt afford it but I just doubt that SE would do it. I think MS have to aim lower at this point.

Paying for non-esclusivity is not "aiming lower." It's actively screwing themselves up beyond the super-short term.

 

[Gambit2483]

A picture of a memorable cast

A picture of bland cast.

Ok ok, let's wait until the actual game drops first before going that far...but yeah, it has a LOT to live up to with FF's historically memorable casts over the years.

 

[Nautilus]

If you can't tell the difference between "not buying something" and "actively hoping the work of hundreds of developers fails" you're beyond help.



Paying for non-esclusivity is not "aiming lower." It's actively screwing themselves up beyond the super-short term.

If you don't understand the concept of having a preference, and hoping that things go back to how I want them to be, but the dev themselves being able to do whatever they want as I can also do whatever I want, you're simply a fool.

I get that you loved the priviledge of being called by Square to play early, and you liked the game a lot, but you seem awfully allergic to people not sharing your feeling and getting worried for others that don't even know you.

 

[Katajx]

Word of mouth is going to help this game if it winds up as good as I think it will.

 

[Fess]

Paying for non-esclusivity is not "aiming lower." It's actively screwing themselves up beyond the super-short term.

Again, I don’t think there is anything else they can do. I don’t think they can pay for exclusivity. I don’t think SE want to do the Gamepass thing on a game that will easily sell without that. There is the cloud thing I guess but would FF16 work there with the speed of it all?

 

[Abriael_GN]

If you don't understand the concept of having a preference, and hoping that things go back to how I want them to be, but the dev themselves being able to do whatever they want as I can also do whatever I want, you're simply a fool.

I get that you loved the priviledge of being called by Square to play early, and you liked the game a lot, but you seem awfully allergic to people not sharing your feeling and getting worried for others that don't even know you.

Time doesn't go in reverse. Things will never go back to "how you want them to be." If you think this failing will somehow convince Square Enix to turn back the clock on the franchise, I'm sorry to say, you're delusional.

PS: I didn't get any "privilege." Work isn't a privilege and preview events suck. They're ultra-stressful, and you spoil the game for yourself when it isn't even finished. The fact that the game was really good and that I got to reconnect with Yoshi-P after 3 years were the only bright spots.

Again, I don’t think there is anything else they can do. I don’t think they can pay for exclusivity. I don’t think SE want to do the Gamepass thing on a game that will easily sell without that. There is the cloud thing I guess but would FF16 work there with the speed of it all?

All they can do is, again, offer developers differentiating factors that make their platform attractive. It won't work with all, but it works with most. Paying for non-exclusives would mean telling developers "hey, negotiate an exclusive with Sony even if you don't really want it, so that you can extort money from us." It's not realistic.

 

[Whitecrow]

No wonder. Characters look generic af. Any mmo character creator can make them.
Overworld map looks bland also.

Besides eikon fights, nothing in the game looks specially great.

 

[Abriael_GN]

No wonder. Characters look generic af. Any mmo character creator can make them.

You likely haven't played any MMO, have you?

Come on, show us how you can get the same result with a MMO character creator. Put your money where your mouth is. You can pick the MMO you want.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

If you don't understand that your idea would literally give all developers who have a semi-relevant IP leverage to extort free money from Microsoft, I can't really help here.

What they can do is what they have been doing, offering something that Sony doesn't offer (Game Pass, cloud, etc) and grow these differentiating factors enough that skipping their platform doesn't make economic sense. The result is that Sony can't afford to pay temporary exclusives on *everything* and can only pick and choose a few, because Microsoft's platform is still attractive for a lot of developers.

On top of that, acquisitions like ABK's also block Sony from acquiring exclusivities and marketing deals, while providing Microsoft with the acquired company's assets and revenue on top of that. At least they have something to show for it.

Well the truth is so far this gen, Sony have been doing exactly that, paying for exclusivity on just a few games, not a very large gamut. Otherwise I think we'd of seen stuff like RE4R, SF6, Like A Dragon, Dead Space Remake etc. be timed PS5 console exclusives. But Sony really only got marketing rights on most of those.

That's in spite of where Game Pass is at right now as far as being a value proposition to the larger market. The truth seems to be that for right now, Sony don't need outright console exclusivity on most big 3P games in order to have a big lead over Xbox in terms of sales and revenue, and Microsoft's efforts to grow Game Pass, xCloud etc. pre-big acquisitions hasn't helped them much because the in-house 1P content hasn't been consistent or massively popular in a way that could directly benefit Xbox (so games like Minecraft don't count).

There's two ways they could resolve that but currently MS seem to want to take the shortcut and just buy what's already massively popular and just try starving competing platforms (e.g PlayStation) of as much as can be possible while netting boosts for their own gaming ecosystem. However that strategy has a built-in flaw which (IMO) is Microsoft's upper management in the gaming side, and them having too much on their plate.

Needless to say I'm not a big fan of their acquisition strategy as a result. But that's getting sort of off-topic.

 

[Abriael_GN]

and just try starving competing platforms

Are you seriously advocating that Microsoft is trying to STARVE PlayStation?

I've seen some wacky theories in this thread, not last the absolutely crazy ones about Square Enix's stock prices, but this one would beat em.

 

[Unknown?]

1. Again, games have audience overlap. If someone has to choose between Diablo or FF16 more than likely they will go with Diablo because it is more popular, has co-op and more replay value.

2. Games sales have dwindle because of the 70 dollar price tag
https://www.thegamer.com/playstation-data-suggests-70-dollar-games-fewer-sales/ .
Also, it is common sense. More something cost, the less sells you will get.

3. Xbox series sales are tracking higher than previous xbox consoles. Also, seems the other major third party publishers are releasing their games on xbox with no problem as long as Sony isn't money hatting exclusivity. Just look at the last Playstation state of play.

MS Xbox series consoles also does well in North America which is the most important region since North America buys the most games and subscriptions than any other region.

Japan is pretty much dead when it comes to console games. That is why FF is trying to cater to the western audience.

4. FF15 as bad as it was sold around 2 million on xbox one alone. That is more than enough to justify a port.

They were but series has fallen behind the One.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Fixed that for you.
You're debating the information we do have, not me.
If you say I'm wrong, you have to show that you're right.
So what's your source?

Not trying to pick on you man but you’re being ridiculous. You made a claim with no source and when I asked for one you in turn are asking for me to prove it wrong. Thats not not how this works. Capcom never released these numbers.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Of course? I am a costumer. I will reqard companies with my money on products that I like. I owe no loyalty to a company, the same way no company ows a loyalty to me. I don't get what's funny on this basic concept.

I love Square, and I don't want them to fail. But if I want to do better, to be better, it won't be through rewarding them to making a game that I don't like. I want them to make turn based Final FRantasy again, and the best way for that to happen is for FFs that aren't turn based to underperform.

If Square fails to make money, that's on Square, not me lol. As if any costumer should feel ashamed for not buying something they don't like. This is street nsalesman logic right here, shaming someone for not spending their money when they don't want.

Look, spend your money on what appeals to you. That's fair. I'm not saying we have an obligation as some might seem to think here to buy every game out there. Not purchasing something you find interesting is far different than hoping something fails without giving a damn about who it affects. Those are two vastly different things.

 

[[Sigma]]

Personally I usually wait til like a week before release before a preorder a game unless there's a super limited edition steelbook that I want.

 

[K2D]

Hey SquareEnix..?!

How bout I double dip into some of you're older games instead? I see Crisis Core and Tactics Ogre are on sale.

Action RPGs just aren't my thing, but if the reviews are rave, I might check it out..

 

[Nautilus]

Time doesn't go in reverse. Things will never go back to "how you want them to be." If you think this failing will somehow convince Square Enix to turn back the clock on the franchise, I'm sorry to say, you're delusional.

PS: I didn't get any "privilege." Work isn't a privilege and preview events suck. They're ultra-stressful, and you spoil the game for yourself when it isn't even finished. The fact that the game was really good and that I got to reconnect with Yoshi-P after 3 years were the only bright spots.



All they can do is, again, offer developers differentiating factors that make their platform attractive. It won't work with all, but it works with most. Paying for non-exclusives would mean telling developers "hey, negotiate an exclusive with Sony even if you don't really want it, so that you can extort money from us." It's not realistic.

Of course time doesn't. Why do you think going back to turn based combat wouldn't actually be an evolution? And yeah, things can revert back to being good. RE 6 happened, and it panned because (enough) people didn't buy it because it wasn't what they wanted. That led to RE 7. Same for Street Fighter 5. There are obviously more examples out there. If you don't like the direction something is taking, just don't buy it. Then the company will have a choice - Evolve or die. If a company fails, its on them, not the costumer lol. Its the most basic concept of any business, don't know why I am explaining it.

Exaqctly. Work isn't a privilege. And earning the hard money out of it isn't made to give it away to support others just because. I have the responsibility to be responsible with myself and the ones I love. 70 dollars don't fall from trees, and if a company wants that, they have to earn it by making a game I want. If I am the minority or the majority, time soon will tell. But things, including this report and even Yoshi interview, is pointing that I am at least not in the minority.

 

[Nautilus]

Look, spend your money on what appeals to you. That's fair. I'm not saying we have an obligation as some might seem to think here to buy every game out there. Not purchasing something you find interesting is far different than hoping something fails without giving a damn about who it affects. Those are two vastly different things.

I agree. But that's the point. I don't find it particulary interesting. I'll repeat what I said in other threads: If the game ends up being great, I'll buy it down the line, when it's heavily discounted. But this isn't what Final Fantasy is, and I personally hope that the game underperforms, and costumers are vocal enough, that Square listens and make a proper entry to the franchise. Wether you agree with this sentiment or not, that's beside the point.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Of course time doesn't. Why do you think going back to turn based combat wouldn't actually be an evolution? And yeah, things can revert back to being good. RE 6 happened, and it panned because (enough) people didn't buy it because it wasn't what they wanted. That led to RE 7. Same for Street Fighter 5. There are obviously more examples out there. If you don't like the direction something is taking, just don't buy it. Then the company will have a choice - Evolve or die. If a company fails, its on them, not the costumer lol. Its the most basic concept of any business, don't know why I am explaining it.

Exaqctly. Work isn't a privilege. And earning the hard money out of it isn't made to give it away to support others just because. I have the responsibility to be responsible with myself and the ones I love. 70 dollars don't fall from trees, and if a company wants that, they have to earn it by making a game I want. If I am the minority or the majority, time soon will tell. But things, including this report and even Yoshi interview, is pointing that I am at least not in the minority.

As someone else already told you, you can do whatever you want with your money. No one here's arguing that you should buy the game and you're pulling a strawman argument as big as the sun.

That's very different from actively hoping that the game fails, and that's what's absolutely despicable.

But this isn't what Final Fantasy is

You don't decide what Final Fantasy is. Final Fantasy has been a LOT of things throughout its history, and this is something Hironobu Sakaguchi himself said. It's hilarious that you think that you're entitled to say what a franchise is about more than its own creators.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

I mean, it is clear it would happen. Limit to current gen ps5 user would have less userbase then ps4 and xbox

 

[Paulistano]

I'll wait for FFXVI Something Edition with every DLC included.

 

[Teletraan1]

Maybe it can sell as well as Devil May Cry or Bayonetta. They went after the market of smaller game franchises that are niche at best and have never sold as well as any mainline FF on the same platform, lets see how well that works for them. I actually hope it blows up in their face.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Maybe it can sell as well as Devil May Cry or Bayonetta. They went after the market of smaller game franchises that are niche at best and have never sold as well as any mainline FF on the same platform, lets see how well that works for them. I actually hope it blows up in their face.

It plays nothing like Devil May Cry or Bayonetta. It plays like an Action RPG, which neither of these games is.

Wishing ill on others because they are making a game you don't personally like is seriously messed up.

 

[Astray]

It means nothing. In fact what Imran Khan said means nothing else than "Please subscribe to my Pateron, I'm an insider!"

I think he's gonna be waiting for my Patreon check for a long-ass time.

 

[Nautilus]

As someone else already told you, you can do whatever you want with your money. No one here's arguing that you should buy the game and you're pulling a strawman argument as big as the sun.

That's very different from actively hoping that the game fails, and that's what's absolutely despicable.



You don't decide what Final Fantasy is. Final Fantasy has been a LOT of things throughout its history, and this is something Hironobu Sakaguchi himself said. It's hilarious that you think that you're entitled to say what a franchise is about more than its own creators.

You're the one shaming people for not liking the direction of the game, and equating people that want to FF games to go back to turn based as wanting for the devs to suffer or some such nonsense. Take a good hard look at the mirror. You're the one who should feel disgusted at what you look.

And you here are saying that not turn based games are the things they m,eant all these years ago? that YOU know what they want, you know what FF should stand for? Talk about delusional.

 

[Abriael_GN]

You're the one shaming people for not liking the direction of the game, and equating people that want to FF games to go back to turn based as wanting for the devs to suffer or some such nonsense. Take a good hard look at the mirror. You're the one who should feel disgusted at what you look.

And you here are saying that not turn based games are the things they m,eant all these years ago? that YOU know what they want, you know what FF should stand for? Talk about delusional.

Final Fantasy stands for awesome stories, great characters with actual progression, and epic and world-changing events. The mechanics used in between are absolutely irrelevant. They're nothing more than a tool. But it's funny that you think you know better about what Final Fantasy is all about than Hironobu Sakaguchi (the creator of Final Fantasy), Yoshinori Kitase (Producer of Final Fantasy VII), and Naoki Yoshida (creator of the most profitable Final Fantasy game ever).

Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised if I was playing Final Fantasy I on the NES when you weren't even born.

And no. I'm not shaming you for not liking the direction of the game (again, you try the strawman argument route). I'm shaming you for wanting years of hard work by hundreds of developers to fail and these developers to suffer the consequences, because that's what happens when games fail. And that's frankly disgusting.

What do you think happens when a big game fails? Do you think the developers get a pat on the back and get told "oh well, more luck next time?"

 

[Gexxy1]

I have played every mainline FF, and even some spinoffs, and I won't be getting this. Just doesn't look appealing to me...well, I am more strict with what games I buy these days. The game itself doesn't look terrible, just not for me.

One thing they need to do right is the writing. Reminds me of something dunkey said recently: "In the 90s, Square was famous for its dedication to storytelling in video games. Today, Square Enix is famous for its dedication to the worst storytelling in video games."

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Okay I broke down and impulse purchased a PS5 today finally. Got Miles Morales with it for 19 dollars new, because I loved the hell out of Spiderman on PS4 but the main driver was FF XVI.

Hope it doesn't suck like XV not sure why I feel so optimistic about this game. Really don't want it to be unfounded.

 

[SHA]

Use your heads se, for the 20th time, ps5 has vr right,riiiiiiiight?, just do the math and magic will happen, nobody wishes you to go out of business.

 

[Nautilus]

Final Fantasy stands for awesome stories, great characters, and epic and world-changing events. The mechanics used in between are absolutely irrelevant. They're nothing more than a tool. But it's funny that you think you know better about what Final Fantasy is than Hironobu Sakaguchi (the creator of Final Fantasy), Yoshinori Kitase (Producer of Final Fantasy VII), and Naoki Yoshida (creator of the most profitable Final Fantasy game ever).

Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised if I was playing Final Fantasy I on the NES when you weren't even born.

And no. I'm not shaming you for not liking the direction of the game (again, you try the strawman argument route). I'm shaming you for wanting years of hard work by hundreds of developers to fail and these developers to suffer the consequences, because that's what happens when games fail. And that's frankly disgusting.

Final Fantasy stands for all those things you said. But in a RPG, without a great gameplay to glue all those things together, FF would never become the legendary franchise it is today. If it was indeed irrelevant, you wouldn't have this many people pissed off about it. Or are we all ignorant fools that weren't old enough to play the first FF when it launched? And for your record, while not at launch, I went back and played all mainline FFs to date.

And please tell me, where does Sakaguchi, Kitase Yoshida said that either the gameplay is irrelevant to FFs identity, or that real time action RPG is truly what they wanted to make, anmd the turn based became the next best thing they could do, or that they hated the gameplay systems that they created and that wasn't what FF stand for?(And not, you know, show interest in different gameplay styles as a possible substitute and would excite them as creators?)

What is absolutely disgusting is you trying to shame and correlate people not liking/wanting the franchise they grew up with and love to return, or at least have a spin off franchise with the same ammount of budget and care, to properly cater to their needs. People work hard every day to earn money to spend on things they like, and they are rightfully dissapointed when something they used to love no longer cater to them. And now they can't even demonstrate their dissapointment and their wish for things to actually evolve on what they deem an evolution, because what, you don't like what FF is? And you play the dirtiest trick in the book by equating that wish to wanting for devs to go under and lose their jobs? You're disgusting.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Final Fantasy stands for all those things you said. But in a RPG, without a great gameplay to glue all those things together, FF would never become the legendary franchise it is today. If it was indeed irrelevant, you wouldn't have this many people pissed off about it. Or are we all ignorant fools that weren't old enough to play the first FF when it launched? And for your record, while not at launch, I went back and played all mainline FFs to date.

And please tell me, where does Sakaguchi, Kitase Yoshida said that either the gameplay is irrelevant to FFs identity, or that real time action RPG is truly what they wanted to make, anmd the turn based became the next best thing they could do, or that they hated the gameplay systems that they created and that wasn't what FF stand for?(And not, you know, show interest in different gameplay styles as a possible substitute and would excite them as creators?)

For your record, I've played every single mainline Final Fantasy game (and most spinoffs) within a month of its original western release. And since I wasn't sure that XI would be released in the west at all, I literally saved for months and bought a ticket for Tokyo to stand in line for 2 hours to buy a Japanese PS2 with the hard disk that would allow me to play that at launch without even being able to read it since I didn't speak Japanese at that time.

But anyway, there you go:

Yoshida-san: This is something that Sakaguchi-san, the father of FINAL FANTASY, and Kitase-san (FINAL FANTASY Brand Manager) have both said to me: FINAL FANTASY is whatever the director making the latest instalment thinks is the best game, the best story at the time.

If they create a game with those points in mind, then it’s a FINAL FANTASY - so there’s no need to feel constrained by what’s come before. Since they’d said that to me, I didn’t really feel like this was a particular challenge. Of course, we hesitated and mulled things over, but I wouldn’t say it was “challenging”. Once we had decided on something, then that was all that mattered.

Source.

What is absolutely disgusting is you trying to shame and correlate people not liking/wanting the franchise they grew up with and love to return, or at least have a spin off franchise with the same ammount of budget and care, to properly cater to their needs. People work hard every day to earn money to spend on things they like, and they are rightfully dissapointed when something they used to love no longer cater to them. And now they can't even demonstrate their dissapointment and their wish for things to actually evolve on what they deem an evolution, because what, you don't like what FF is? And you play the dirtiest trick in the book by equating that wish to wanting for devs to go under and lose their jobs? You're disgusting.

Are you seriously so out of touch that you don't understand that developers suffering is the direct consequence of what you're wishing for? I'm not "correlating" anything. What you wish would inescapably deal considerable damage to the career and livelihood of a ton of people, regardless of whether you try to ignore it to feel better about yourself.

While Square Enix suddenly deciding to make old-style Final Fantasy games is a very naive and extremely unlikely hope whether FFXVI is successful or fails, developers having to pay the consequences for the failure would be an absolute certainty.

 

[lughnasadh123]

I agree. But that's the point. I don't find it particulary interesting. I'll repeat what I said in other threads: If the game ends up being great, I'll buy it down the line, when it's heavily discounted. But this isn't what Final Fantasy is, and I personally hope that the game underperforms, and costumers are vocal enough, that Square listens and make a proper entry to the franchise. Wether you agree with this sentiment or not, that's beside the point.

A problem with that is: what's a proper entry to a franchise that's happy to be doing different stuff? FF was never an MMO yet FFIV could be viewed as one of the best installments in the series. The games don't have to tank to start new things with the next game as they already do that. People not happy with this could very well enjoy what they do with XVII.

 

[Gambit2483]

Okay I broke down and impulse purchased a PS5 today finally. Got Miles Morales with it for 19 dollars new, because I loved the hell out of Spiderman on PS4 but the main driver was FF XVI.

Hope it doesn't suck like XV not sure why I feel so optimistic about this game. Really don't want it to be unfounded.

Congrats! You might want to check out FF7 Remake Intergrade since it has the exclusive Yuffie chapter that will tie into Rebirth.

And if you want more FF7 check out Crisis Core Reunion. Don't forget, you can upgrade your internal SSD to 2TB in the future if you start to run out of HDD space

 

[xellos2099alpha]

You know.... people who claim Final fantasy shouldn't change is kind of like how Emet want to return to the world to the way it was pre-sundering. I know it is way more complicated than that but the idea is the same. Some people are so blinded to the past, or in soem case, tempered, that they downrigth refuse change. Final Fantasy is many thing, turn base, active time, tactic, action base, even MMO. Final Fantasy type 0 was pretty much action based, mission base rpg that cost $50. Many people refuse to entertain Final Fantasy XIV is a not real final fantasy but Shadowbringer got some of best Final Fantasy story there is. It got villian that acted like megalomaniac initially, then you begin to see his point. He is still a villian but you see his point.

 

[AGRacing]

There's a forspoken launch taste in their mouths maybe.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Congrats! You might want to check out FF7 Remake Intergrade since it has the exclusive Yuffie chapter that will tie into Rebirth.

And if you want more FF7 check out Crisis Core Reunion. Don't forget, you can upgrade your internal SSD to 2TB in the future if you start to run out of HDD space

I appreciate recommendations, but I did play VIIR and wasn't super happy with what they're doing narratively. I really like the gameplay.. but with that in mind don't plan to revisit VIIR unless very cheap and think I will be skipping Rebirth launch depending on how much further off rails they go.

I did play Crisis Core on Switch and enjoyed it a lot! Do you think the visual presentation is worth looking again on PS5?

I probably need to look into that upgrade for SDD sooner than later... This was a big struggle on my PS4 :-(

 

[Nautilus]

For your record, I've played every single mainline Final Fantasy game (and most spinoffs) within a month of its original western release. And since I wasn't sure that XI would be released in the west at all, I literally saved for months and bought a ticket for Tokyo to stand in line for 2 hours to buy a Japanese PS2 with the hard disk that would allow me to play that at launch without even being able to read it since I didn't speak Japanese at that time.

But anyway, there you go:



Source.


Are you seriously so out of touch that you don't understand that developers suffering is the direct consequence of what you're wishing for? I'm not "correlating" anything. What you wish would inescapably deal considerable damage to the career and livelihood of a ton of people, regardless of whether you try to ignore it.

While Square Enix suddenly deciding to make old-style Final Fantasy games is a very naive and extremely unlikely hope whether FFXVI is successful or fails, developers having to pay the consequences for the failure would be an absolute certainty.

Exactly. That quote from Yoshida proves exactly my point: All FF games that came before it, all its gameplay systems and stories, are all FF. Like I have said before, just as much as Square isn't entitled to my money just because I like them, I am not entitled to like all their games. So if they want to make a game like FF XVI, go for it. But like I said before, about no one being entitled to anything as everyone is a grown up, so the costumers aren't required or expected to like whatever Square comes up as the "future" of its said franchise. And that's how most feel about XVI.

About the last part: Then who do you blame for a game failing to meet expectations(Not necessaceraly bombing): The costumers, that already have a lot of shit to deal with in their personal lives and just want to have a good time with the type of games they like, or the developers that failed to read the market, either in the short term(FF XVI if it ends up being a failure because of itself, its quality), or in the long term(FF as a franchise in general, alienating the fanbase with each entry that does something completely different? Me or anybody else don't want anybody's carrerr ruined because of this, but we also don't want the things we appreciate taken away from us. If FF XVI ends up being a smash hit, and Square announces that XVI will be the template for future FFs then so be it, FF will never be a franchise that truly appeals to me anymore. Its Square IP, so its Square decision to do whatever they want with it. But the one thing that I fear the most is keeping quiet because random starngers in the internet don't like my opinion about the passions that I ahve in life, and that I would be too afraid to speak up about what I feel and want.

So here's, once again, a summarized version of what I feel about FF in general: XVI doesn't seem particular interesting to me, and I long for FF to go back to what it is about to me. So I do wish that XVI at least underperforms because that's the most effective way, by far, to make a company listen to my wishes, and what I believe to be a lot of the fanbase's. The same way that happened with Capcom and the renacence it went through ever since RE 7. I am sorry if that ends up resulting in anyone getting fired over it, but it was also that someone's decision to go along with something that ultimately fails or dissapoints, at least for the upper management, and in the end it is their responsibility over if they have enough money or not to take such risks and the following consequences. But at the end and honestly the most important: Between catering to my own needs and wants, and some random stranger that did work his ass off to make something great that ultimetely didn't deliver, I will always side with myself. Its not because I wish anyone else ill. Its Because If I don't do it, nobody will. So if that somehow makes me an egotistical idiot, so be it. But at least I will be an egotistical idiot that don't feel any regret about the decisions I make, especially because someone in the internet, on the other side of the world, said so.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

 

[TGO]

Not trying to pick on you man but you’re being ridiculous. You made a claim with no source and when I asked for one you in turn are asking for me to prove it wrong. Thats not not how this works. Capcom never released these numbers.

You know what information we have so you know what my sources are.
So unless you believe that between the PS4/PS5 the sales for Resident Evil 4 didn't break even 2 mill then what are you disputing?

 

[Nautilus]

A problem with that is: what's a proper entry to a franchise that's happy to be doing different stuff? FF was never an MMO yet FFIV could be viewed as one of the best installments in the series. The games don't have to tank to start new things with the next game as they already do that. People not happy with this could very well enjoy what they do with XVII.

I personally believe the MMo's to be spin offs and not mainline entries, but that's besides the point.

To answer your question: The market. The market will decide what's a FF and what's not. Not necessarily by how many copies it sold, but by how much money it makes. FF XV, even selling 11 million copies, wasn't enough to make Square happy, so clearly that's not it. If it ends up being something aligned with my tastes, great. If its not, it will suck, I will keep complaining till the end of times, but that will be it. Square is a company, and its after the biggest ammount of money.

 

[BennyBlanco]

You know what information we have so you know what my sources are.
So unless you believe that between the PS4/PS5 the sales for Resident Evil 4 didn't break even 2 mill then what are you disputing?

Huh? So you are in fact taking the UK numbers and applying that to the whole world?

 

[Abriael_GN]

Exactly. That quote from Yoshida proves exactly my point: All FF games that came before it, all its gameplay systems and stories, are all FF. Like I have said before, just as much as Square isn't entitled to my money just because I like them, I am not entitled to like all their games. So if they want to make a game like FF XVI, go for it. But like I said before, about no one being entitled to anything as everyone is a grown up, so the costumers aren't required or expected to like whatever Square comes up as the "future" of its said franchise. And that's how most feel about XVI.

Interesting how you're distorting that quote to the literal opposite of what it says. What it says is that what Final Fantasy is is what its developers decide it is at any given time, not what you want or what you grew up with.

Incidentally, Yoshida-san and his team pretty literally saved the Final Fantasy franchise when it was at its historical lowest pulling what's nothing short of a miracle, so they earned themselves a relevant say on what Final Fantasy is or should be.

About the last part: Then who do you blame for a game failing to meet expectations(Not necessaceraly bombing): The costumers, that already have a lot of shit to deal with in their personal lives and just want to have a good time with the type of games they like, or the developers that failed to read the market, either in the short term(FF XVI if it ends up being a failure because of itself, its quality), or in the long term(FF as a franchise in general, alienating the fanbase with each entry that does something completely different? Me or anybody else don't want anybody's carrerr ruined because of this, but we also don't want the things we appreciate taken away from us. If FF XVI ends up being a smash hit, and Square announces that XVI will be the template for future FFs then so be it, FF will never be a franchise that truly appeals to me anymore. Its Square IP, so its Square decision to do whatever they want with it. But the one thing that I fear the most is keeping quiet because random starngers in the internet don't like my opinion about the passions that I ahve in life, and that I would be too afraid to speak up about what I feel and want.

So here's, once again, a summarized version of what I feel about FF in general: XVI doesn't seem particular interesting to me, and I long for FF to go back to what it is about to me. So I do wish that XVI at least underperforms because that's the most effective way, by far, to make a company listen to my wishes, and what I believe to be a lot of the fanbase's. The same way that happened with Capcom and the renacence it went through ever since RE 7. I am sorry if that ends up resulting in anyone getting fired over it, but it was also that someone's decision to go along with something that ultimately fails or dissapoints, at least for the upper management, and in the end it is their responsibility over if they have enough money or not to take such risks and the following consequences. But at the end and honestly the most important: Between catering to my own needs and wants, and some random stranger that did work his ass off to make something great that ultimetely didn't deliver, I will always side with myself. Its not because I wish anyone else ill. Its Because If I don't do it, nobody will. So if that somehow makes me an egotistical idiot, so be it. But at least I will be an egotistical idiot that don't feel any regret about the decisions I make, especially because someone in the internet, on the other side of the world, said so.

It doesn't matter who you blame. What matters is that a failure of Final Fantasy XVI would inevitably have serious and direct consequences for a whole bunch of people. Wishing that it fails means wishing that those people suffer because they're making a game that's not for you. You don't get to separate the two things because they're not separate. One is a direct consequence of the other.

PS: you don't represent any "fanbase." If I had a nickel for any person with a different idea I heard in the 33 years I've played this franchise who thought they represented the majority or a sizable part of the fanbase, I'd be likely able to go out and buy myself a new 60 inch TV on the house.

I'll tell you a secret from the experience of these 33 years. The vast majority of the "fanbase" can't care less about what kind of order or modality they have to press the button to have good guy stick sword into bad guy. They want a story that can move them with characters they can identify with. That's it.

 

[Unknown?]

This is what happens when someone's whole education is based on furiously searching stuff on google.

Unfortunately, this is gonna get even worse when that shifts to chatGPT.

What an ugly future. You can't even trust search engines to be unbiased and now you'll have AI with bias programmed right in too!

 

[rkofan87]

The pre order ass hats are even worse. Pre ordering made sense back when physical media was still the dominant form of game sales. In 2023, you do not need to worry about your local store running out of copies, which was the primary reason i pre ordered games from the n64-xbox 360 generations

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