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[ToTTenTranz]

Final Fantasy was back after the 7 remake and then they sucked all the wind out of the sails making people wait four years for part 2. Did people really want 16?

I do agree that FFXVI might become 2023's best game no one asked for.

The cadence between FFVII R part 1 and part 2 is too much. If this really is a trilogy and they take another 4 years between parts 2 and 3, they'll probably be able to cover 3 console generations with a single game remake.

 

[delirium trigger]

I do agree that FFXVI might become 2023's best game no one asked for.

The cadence between FFVII R part 1 and part 2 is too much. If this really is a trilogy and they take another 4 years between parts 2 and 3, they'll probably be able to cover 3 console generations with a single game remake.

I think companies generally get too much criticism, but this has to be some of the most boneheaded decision making I've seen.

FF7R was awesome. However, the one downside was it wasn't the whole game. So most of us who played it convinced ourselves the rest of the game was probably close to being finished and we'd get the conclusion in timely installments.

What does Square do? They make you wait four fucking years to play the rest of the game. And they say to themselves hey let's release FF16 mere months prior to FF7R2. Oh, and we'll schedule 16's release right around the time we drop 7s release date and get them pumped for that.

Give people what they've been waiting for first. Then release 16 while they're all in a FF kick.

 

[March Climber]

Considering the overwhelmingly positive response to the demo, looking forward to seeing the haters fully silenced when the game releases. They've definitely been a lot quieter since yesterday.

Reggie was right yet again.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I do agree that FFXVI might become 2023's best game no one asked for.

The cadence between FFVII R part 1 and part 2 is too much. If this really is a trilogy and they take another 4 years between parts 2 and 3, they'll probably be able to cover 3 console generations with a single game remake.

Technically Square can reuse many assets from Part 1 and Part 2 for 3. Part 2 seems to be the most ambitious one, it covers the road to at least Nibelheim (in any case its past Cosmo Canyon). I kinda have false hope Part 3 will release not too long after 2.

 

[Dis]

In every JRPG people whine about how in every JPPG they play as teenager now we actually get adult character people still whine. This is why I can’t take opinions here seriously. You guys like to complain for sake of complaining.

But you complaining about people complaining. Makes you the same as the people you complain about.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Reggie was right yet again.

I'll play the game when it comes out on PC which it will 2 years down the road. Combat looks great. If it's as great as FFVIIR then it's a winner for sure.

In the meantime if I want the FFXVI experience I can play Tales of Berseria since I'm taking a wild guess it's going to have very similar story beats.

 

[Varteras]

But you complaining about people complaining. Makes you the same as the people you complain about.

What if I complain about you complaining about him complaining about other people complaining?

 

[Nautilus]

Final Fantasy was back after the 7 remake and then they sucked all the wind out of the sails making people wait four years for part 2. Did people really want 16?

No, the fans don't.Despite what a minority here says.

XVI should have been a new IP, given it has all the great makings of one. But its not the FF game people want, and you can clearly see that by how much more enthusiastic the fanbase is with Rebirth.

 

[RoboFu]

Considering the overwhelmingly positive response to the demo, looking forward to seeing the haters fully silenced when the game releases. They've definitely been a lot quieter since yesterday.

Because it is what it is and there is no changing it. If you guys like a linear action game with stages then that’s cool. Have fun.

 

[Dis]

What if I complain about you complaining about him complaining about other people complaining?

This franchise is all over the place
This development studio is (was) all over the place
What do you expect.

 

[Varteras]

This franchise is all over the place
This development studio is (was) all over the place
What do you expect.

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Stay with me. I need answers!

 

[Dis]

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Stay with me. I need answers!

 

[BossLackey]

Digital adoption has increased since FFXV. Pre-orders are a useless metric, though I realize that's all they have to go on at the moment.

I have faith that it will sell well and I think the game looks fantastic, personally.

 

[Varteras]

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Technically Square can reuse many assets from Part 1 and Part 2 for 3. Part 2 seems to be the most ambitious one, it covers the road to at least Nibelheim (in any case its past Cosmo Canyon). I kinda have false hope Part 3 will release not too long after 2.

I think part 3 will release 3 years after Rebirth.

 

[Lethal01]

FF7R was awesome. However, the one downside was it wasn't the whole game. So most of us who played it convinced ourselves the rest of the game was probably close to being finished and we'd get the conclusion in timely installments.

LOL NO, even before the game was released people were tlaking about how it was gonna take many years to finish and how we won't beat the whole thing till the PS7.

If you say otherwise you were in a bubble.

Also Square can't decide to release the game whenever, if the game isn't done, but FF16 is, then it will come out first and they can't do anything about that

 

[Raven117]

No, the fans don't.Despite what a minority here says.

XVI should have been a new IP, given it has all the great makings of one. But its not the FF game people want, and you can clearly see that by how much more enthusiastic the fanbase is with Rebirth.

Lol. What even is this garbage? Hahaha.

Guess we will find out if this is a game people want.

Recall, FF is always free to be different. That’s been a hallmark of the series since forever.

 

[lyan]

I do agree that FFXVI might become 2023's best game no one asked for.

The cadence between FFVII R part 1 and part 2 is too much. If this really is a trilogy and they take another 4 years between parts 2 and 3, they'll probably be able to cover 3 console generations with a single game remake.

Covid probably added a year or two to the schedule.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

No, the fans don't.Despite what a minority here says.

XVI should have been a new IP, given it has all the great makings of one. But its not the FF game people want, and you can clearly see that by how much more enthusiastic the fanbase is with Rebirth.

I dunno, I'd argue that the excitement over Rebirth stems from it being, by and large, a known quantity. People know Cloud. They Know Sephiroth. They know the original, and Remake. People on board with the direction of the Compilation just know the basic structure of what they're looking forward to, and they have a comparison point, which leads to more nuanced and widespread talk.

XVI doesn't have the same icon appeal, just by virtue of taking place in a new story with new characters. It's not an apples to apples thing, I don't think.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Lol. What even is this garbage? Hahaha.

Guess we will find out if this is a game people want.

Recall, FF is always free to be different. That’s been a hallmark of the series since forever.

I love how he keeps trying to speak for all fans, when numerous life long fans in this very thread, including me, disagree with him.

Also yes, FF has always been different. FF1 was D&D rules. FF2 completely changed it to leveling and growing based on the weapons/spells you used. FF3 allowed you to level like in FF1, but with numerous classes allowing for a more strucutured freedom than FF2. FF4 gave you a very specific party that had very specific jobs associated with them, offering new ways to fight given their unique abilities. FF5 mixed both FF3 and 4, with more strucutred characters and arcs, while maintaining the freedom of classes. I could keep going on, alongside how each game changed its battle systems from various ATB concepts to something new entirely.

Nautilus doesn't speak for any fan, He only speaks for himself. He was already ready to fight against this game the moment it was announced. He never gave it a chance.

 

[Hugare]

This is so unfair to FF XVI, man

FF XV sold well 90% due to the Versus hype

It was unearned

It ended up hurting the FF brand when people realized how disapointing that game was.

 

[Nautilus]

Lol. What even is this garbage? Hahaha.

Guess we will find out if this is a game people want.

Recall, FF is always free to be different. That’s been a hallmark of the series since forever.

This bs yet again... FF always had an identity. The lore and presentation would changez but there always were a skeleton that was shared between entries. Square basically threw that away with XV to chase trens, even if FF was on the gutter ever since XII.(Though I like XII).

 

[Palabragrís]

No, the fans don't.Despite what a minority here says.

XVI should have been a new IP, given it has all the great makings of one. But its not the FF game people want, and you can clearly see that by how much more enthusiastic the fanbase is with Rebirth.

It's so cute you think you speak for the majority here.
It's been a fun read, though. Thank you for that.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

No, the fans don't.Despite what a minority here says.

XVI should have been a new IP, given it has all the great makings of one. But its not the FF game people want, and you can clearly see that by how much more enthusiastic the fanbase is with Rebirth.

That's absolutely not what I've been noticing on places like Twitter. Once you get out of the bubble of a given thread or two, anticipation for XVI seems to be quite high online, including among people in the FF fanbase.

Yes it's not the FF some wanted, but it's clearly reaching a lot of other people, not just core fans but also people coming back to the IP after an absence, and even people new to the franchise. And it's evident SE have the capacity to make both the other FF VII Remake parts, and new installments like XVI simultaneously among their teams. I don't see the issue.

 

[Nautilus]

I dunno, I'd argue that the excitement over Rebirth stems from it being, by and large, a known quantity. People know Cloud. They Know Sephiroth. They know the original, and Remake. People on board with the direction of the Compilation just know the basic structure of what they're looking forward to, and they have a comparison point, which leads to more nuanced and widespread talk.

XVI doesn't have the same icon appeal, just by virtue of taking place in a new story with new characters. It's not an apples to apples thing, I don't think.

You're half right. Rebirth does have that advantage. But I also feel that people are excited about Rebirth because of all the new excited things that Remake did(The presentation, the combat, etc).

But more than anything, what excites people most is that FF 7 Remake was the first true FF since X, and that game really brought back the excellence and quality FF is known back. So seeing how Square continues to butcher the FF franchise with XVI, fans are also excited that Rebirth, that a FF game, is finally there to carry the franchise. Here's hoping that it breaks franchise sales records.

 

[Dr. Claus]

This bs yet again... FF always had an identity. The lore and presentation would changez but there always were a skeleton that was shared between entries. Square basically threw that away with XV to chase trens, even if FF was on the gutter ever since XII.(Though I like XII).

No, they haven't. The only thing that has changed has been combat systems and the setting. The core of what makes a Final Fantasy game a Final Fantasy game has never changed in the mainline entries.

You speak for no one but yourself. Stop trying to suggest you know what 'fans' want.

 

[Nautilus]

It's so cute you think you speak for the majority here.
It's been a fun read, though. Thank you for that.

I do speak for the fanbase though.

But sure, glad I managed to be entertaining!

 

[Nautilus]

That's absolutely not what I've been noticing on places like Twitter. Once you get out of the bubble of a given thread or two, anticipation for XVI seems to be quite high online, including among people in the FF fanbase.

Yes it's not the FF some wanted, but it's clearly reaching a lot of other people, not just core fans but also people coming back to the IP after an absence, and even people new to the franchise. And it's evident SE have the capacity to make both the other FF VII Remake parts, and new installments like XVI simultaneously among their teams. I don't see the issue.

I mean, wasn't XV also just as hyped? Maybe even more? And look at where that got it.

At the end of the day, sales is what matters, for the company that owns the IP anyway. And we won't have to wait that long to see the results.

 

[Danjin44]

I do speak for the fanbase though.

No, you mostly speaking for yourself.

 

[Dr. Claus]

No, you mostly speaking for yourself.

He is 100% speaking for himself. He is beyond delusional if he thinks he speaks for the fanbase.

 

[Palabragrís]

No, you mostly speaking for yourself.

Good luck in convincing him!

 

[Nautilus]

No, they haven't. The only thing that has changed has been combat systems and the setting. The core of what makes a Final Fantasy game a Final Fantasy game has never changed in the mainline entries.

You speak for no one but yourself. Stop trying to suggest you know what 'fans' want.

Yes it always did. Focus on Story(That XVI has), turn based combat, party management, focus on RPG elements, alien and colorful worlds. No matter how much different story wise a game was from another, these traits were always there.

If XVI was such a unniversally beloved "mainline" entry, there wouldn't be such a divide in the fanbase. I just am very vocal on my opinion on what the majority feels like what Square has been doing with FF since XII

 

[Danjin44]

Good luck in convincing him!

 

[Nautilus]

No, you mostly speaking for yourself.

You haven't answered my question in the other thread: Do you speak for the fanbase then? And what about the majority of people dissatisfied with XVI? Are they also the minority?

 

[Palabragrís]

Okay, that's pretty accurate actually hahah

 

[Danjin44]

You haven't answered my question in the other thread: Do you speak for the fanbase then? And what about the majority of people dissatisfied with XVI? Are they also the minority?

When OG FFVII first came out people weren’t happy with changes and just like you cry about it.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Yes it always did. Focus on Story(That XVI has), turn based combat, party management, focus on RPG elements, alien and colorful worlds. No matter how much different story wise a game was from another, these traits were always there.

If XVI was such a unniversally beloved "mainline" entry, there wouldn't be such a divide in the fanbase. I just am very vocal on my opinion on what the majority feels like what Square has been doing with FF since XII

There isn't much of a divide. Its just you trying to justify your own preconcieved hate while claiming you speak for the fanbase like a delusional person.

 

[rhodesianshepard]

Final Fantasy fans just need to get used to them being more action oriented. No publisher is going to give a studio a 150-200 million dollar budgets to make turn based games. It would be extremely difficult to break even if they did

 

[Efren is G.O.A.T.]

I'm just happy Final Fantasy is back in the limelight where it belongs.

 

[Palabragrís]

Final Fantasy fans just need to get used to them being more action oriented. No publisher is going to give a studio a 150-200 million dollar budgets to make turn based games. It would be extremely difficult to break even if they did

And Square Enix is aware of that. That's why they're creating smaller projects using the old, classic turn-based system. AAA games? I think those are going to be what the mainstream dictates.
When Final Fantasy I released back in 1987, because of the technology of the time, turn-based D&D-like games were the norm, so Squaresoft just followed suit. Now, games like God of War and Horizon are the norm, so the numbered FF will go there. If for some reason we go through the bad timeline and mobile-style games take the whole console/PC market by storm, there's no doubt in my mind that Square Enix will transform the numbered FFs into AAA gatchas or similar.

 

[Nautilus]

When OG FFVII first came out people weren’t happy with changes and just like you cry about it.

You didn't aswer my question. Or are you avoiding it because once you answer, you will have no basis to critisize me?

 

[Nautilus]

There isn't much of a divide. Its just you trying to justify your own preconcieved hate while claiming you speak for the fanbase like a delusional person.

Oh no? Then why this thread about bad pre orders has 17 pages of replies? Because we love each others company that much?

LMAO.

If you guys are so confident about XVI performing well sales wise, why are you all so afraid of me and the FF fanbase?

 

[Nautilus]

Final Fantasy fans just need to get used to them being more action oriented. No publisher is going to give a studio a 150-200 million dollar budgets to make turn based games. It would be extremely difficult to break even if they did

Persona 5, Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Honkai Star Rail, Fire Emblem Three Houses, FF up until X, the list goes on.

The problem is not that its turn based, the problem is the game's quality being up to snuff. If the game is good, people will flock to it, be it turn based or action based.

 

[Pagusas]

We’ll after playing the demo to completion, I feel the same as I did before, this game is trying wayyy to hard to be game of thrones, adult/mature/dramatic and it just comes off as cringe and humorless. Its productions values are spectacular, but this does not feel like FF. More like FF tactics in terms of tone. I’ll buy it and play it, but it’s not off to good start.

Also the world map not being a real world map sucks.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Oh no? Then why this thread about bad pre orders has 17 pages of replies? Because we love each others company that much?

LMAO.

If you guys are so confident about XVI performing well sales wise, why are you all so afraid of me and the FF fanbase?

Again, you delusional narcissist. You do not speak for the FF Fanbase. You never have and never will.

Also not a single person is afraid of you. We are laughing at your ineptitude.

 

[Palabragrís]

Again, you delusional narcissist. You do not speak for the FF Fanbase. You never have and never will.

Also not a single person is afraid of you. We are laughing at your ineptitude.

Just a little word of advice from an old man: never let it get under your skin.

Remember that saying that saved many lives in the 90's Internet: Don't feed the troll

 

[night13x]

GUYS THE GAME DIDNT HAVE A HOT BRUNETTE IN SEXY SKIRT AND BLACK STOCKINGS NAMED TIFA THUS THIS ISNT A FINAL FANTASY GAME. TRUST ME BRO.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Just a little word of advice from an old man: never let it get under your skin.

Remember that saying that saved many lives in the 90's Internet: Don't feed the troll

Oh, that is the last I have to say to the troll. Nothing is under my skin, just wanted to make it abundantly clear my stance.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Again, you delusional narcissist. You do not speak for the FF Fanbase. You never have and never will.

Also not a single person is afraid of you. We are laughing at your ineptitude.

"I speak for the fanbase"
"Why do the threads have so many pages then?"

Spoiler

 

[Dr. Claus]

"I speak for the fanbase"
"Why do the threads have so many pages then?"

Spoiler

Like I said. Literally delusional.