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Imran Khan "Square Enix is panicking slightly over Final Fantasy XVI preorder numbers, which are tracking behind FFXV"
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ChorizoPicozo
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where do they make their money from?. it cant come form game release, that is for sure.I really don't think you've taken a look at Square Enix's financials in the past decade, have you?
They have been consistently in the black for a long, long time. I can't even remember the last time they posted financial results in which they did not have a positive income.
They're not even in the same galaxy as "going bankrupt" despite what people who know nothing about the industry think.
Sleepwalker
Member
Final fantasy is basically synonymous with playstation, it being ps exclusive won't damage the brand, fucking lols.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about that, would not want to purchase FFXVI for the Xbox, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square would have alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, would have had to publicly apologize and cancel FFXVI for the Xbox or they would have had to kiss their business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about that, would not want to purchase FFXVI for the Xbox, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square would have alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, would have had to publicly apologize and cancel FFXVI for the Xbox or they would have had to kiss their business goodbye.
March Climber
Member
To be fair, his post was so edgy and over the top I figured it was satirical.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
I hadn't seen that lol. That's doing the opposite of selling me on the game.
Still picking it up ASAP though.
Nydius
Member
It’s coming out in a super crowded window, unfortunately. I know I’m not likely to pick it up until later because I literally just finished Zelda and now have Diablo 4 and Street Fighter 6 to play. And by the time I need a break from Diablo, my import of FF Pixel Remasters will be here fom Play-Asia.
I’m still interested in FF16, just not interested in a day one purchase.
I’m still interested in FF16, just not interested in a day one purchase.
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Grizzled Ghost
Member
Describes every FF since 7
Fess
Member
So? FF is already PS console exclusive, PC versions are already delayed, DQ would lose some customers though and the smaller HD 2D titles would go away but in the end it would mostly be a nothing burger if Sony acquired SE. Don’t know if Sony owning them would improve anything for their IPs though.
Fess
Member
Isn’t PC versions selling extremely poorly compared to their console versions?
Can’t see any bigger group of fans waiting for that version.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It comes from games. All the other segments of their business are minimal in comparison.
And their game segment is profitable. Not even just a little bit. They have a sizable margin.
The idea that Square Enix is anywhere close to losing money or that its income comes from something other than games is the same branch of ignorance that alleges that Konami gets most of its business from pachislots.
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DoktorCoktor
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I would have loved to pre-order this on a PC, but then I remembered I don't particularly care about Game of Thrones or The Witcher franchise, so this FF isn't for me. I'll just wait for VII Rebirth instead.
Fabieter
Member
Do you mean for exclusives or in general? Because in general is definitely false and for their exclusives they do sell alot worse but most people who played it did so day one and never thought it would see a pc version let alone all sony exclusive 1 to 2 years from release.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
bluecowboys
Banned
FF 16 is timed exclusive but that wasn’t always the case. If FF13 and FF15 was not on Xbox and PC I think Square enix situation would be a lot worse off than you think.
Not to mention Microsoft did give square quite a lot money for game pass deals in the past which undoubtedly helped square a lot. Square needs to wise up and understand they can’t trust Sony completely in the long run. Especially now that Sony is focusing on GAAS.
For Final fantasy to survive in the long run it needs to be on all the platforms or else the popularity of the IP will dwindle to obscurity which it already is.
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Pasta la Vista
Member
Who?
Fess
Member
Talking about console exclusives coming to PC later. Isn’t that a tiny market and a lot of the sales are from people double dipping?
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
As someone that somewhat enjoyed FF14 combat, this combat looks awful.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
interesting. is so weird SE is being defined as the publisher that says " Game sales are not metting expectations", pushing so hard for GaaS (and faling miserably) and keep taking about NFTs.
Fess
Member
Never heard that FF16 is timed exclusive. Source?
bluecowboys
Banned
Square enix owns the IP and other final fantasy games have showed up on other platforms including xbox. Here is a wiki about it.
Final Fantasy - Wikipedia
JimmyRustler
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Came in to say this. Stop giving these retards a platform.
Vognerful
Member
it is FFXIII all over again, but without the action bar
Katatonic
Member
This is my most anticipated game in ages and I haven't pre-ordered. I think a lot of people assume it'l be like XV gameplay wise. Even if it played like FF:7 Remake it'd be a wait til on sale for me. Luckily, after watching the State of Play, I saw that this is an action RPG with actual satisfying combat, FF production values, and an M rated story. Hopefully reviews, word of mouth, and a strong advertising campaign will yield financial success.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
There's a large difference between having a profitable, solid business, and meeting all growth expectations.
The reason why they push for GAAS and NFTs is because investors always want growth, but lack of growth or even limited decline doesn't mean that the business isn't profitable or solid. As a matter of fact, quite a few big Western publishers actually *lost* money this year. All major Japanese publishers were profitable.
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Square have even said it and you chose Wikipedia as your source for FFXVI exclusivitySquare enix owns the IP and other final fantasy games have showed up on other platforms including xbox. Here is a wiki about it.
Final Fantasy - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
FFXVI is a 6 month timed exclusive to PS5. SE explained that the PC version may likely not come out in 6 months time as Sony helped with development to have the game come out this month.
Final Fantasy 16 will be a PS5 exclusive for longer than expected
Final Fantasy 16 will not release on PC six months after the PlayStation 5 version launches, according to producer Naoki Yoshida.
www.gameshub.com
Fess
Member
FF7 Remake and Intergrade isn’t on Xbox, nothing about Rebirth coming either, and I wouldn’t assume that FF16 is any different at this point. If it does come later it’ll be a release with little fanfare that will likely sell poorly just like any other LTTP release.Square enix owns the IP and other final fantasy games have showed up on other platforms including xbox. Here is a wiki about it.
Final Fantasy - Wikipedia
ChorizoPicozo
Member
pretty hard to believe (in the case of SE) when they have miss after miss.
i am not disputing your claims. i am just saying SE as a publisher is seems is one the worst in this industry.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
They're not claims. They're fact. The investor relations website is open to everyone and you can check for yourself.
Perception doesn't make or lose money nearly as much as people believe. Square Enix has a very solid, disciplined business with a whole lot of games that aren't very expensive to make and don't need to sell gangbusters to make a profit. On top of that, they have the most profitable Final Fantasy game of all time (Final Fantasy XIV) currently ongoing and very strong. It made less money than last year because it didn't have an expansion, but it still made a whole lot of money. Next year there'll be a new expansion and it'll shoot up again.
People wonder why they sold off most of their western studios, but from a business perspective, it made a lot of sense. Most of the games they made had solid sales but they were also the most expensive to make, so keeping them around wasn't as good for business as divesting them and focusing resources on their more profitable endeavors.
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supernova8
Banned
Maybe people just... don't want feel like pre-ordering anymore?
Plus look at the pre-order bonuses lol:
www.ign.com
Ignoring the "deluxe" and "collectors edition", there's really no incentive to pre-order the "standard edition" of Final Fantasy 16 (unless you pre-order at Best Buy and you get a free steelbook case).
It's not like you get early access or anything, plus who can blame folks (for obvious reasons) for wanting to wait to be extra sure (via reviews) that the game isn't a buggy shitshow at launch?
Plus look at the pre-order bonuses lol:
Final Fantasy XVI: Here’s What Comes in Each Edition - IGN
Final Fantasy 16 is now available to preorder for PS5 in standard, deluxe, and digital deluxe editions. The collector's edition will also be available.
Ignoring the "deluxe" and "collectors edition", there's really no incentive to pre-order the "standard edition" of Final Fantasy 16 (unless you pre-order at Best Buy and you get a free steelbook case).
It's not like you get early access or anything, plus who can blame folks (for obvious reasons) for wanting to wait to be extra sure (via reviews) that the game isn't a buggy shitshow at launch?
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
12 was amazing
Shifty1897
Member
Of course it's tracking behind. Square Enix burned the franchise with FFXV. Gonna take a few great series releases to earn back preorder levels of trust for most.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This will undoubtedly be the best Final Fantasy in years. The only problem that it may face is that it's releasing too close to Zelda TOTK.
As an aside, I don't believe this rumor because Imran Khan, after becoming a former journalist, hasn't been reliable for years now.
As an aside, I don't believe this rumor because Imran Khan, after becoming a former journalist, hasn't been reliable for years now.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It takes a new kind of naive to blindly believe rumors dropped on Patreon.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
i will take your word for now.
(is too late to research it).
He did get the everybody12switch right including the horse.
https://www.fanbyte.com/games/news/the-wild-story-behind-nintendos-unannounced-1-2-switch-sequel/
But ehh
https://www.fanbyte.com/games/news/the-wild-story-behind-nintendos-unannounced-1-2-switch-sequel/
But ehh