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[Killjoy-NL]

Yes. Hence the conversation.

Yes, so it's a but weird to see you trash Spiderman 2 like it's a great counter-argument, as it only highlights the disparity in quality.

 

[DenchDeckard]

You guys do realize this is just another Playstation title to PS installbase, right?

And the discussion was that this game won't sell amazingly well on PS5, because it doesn't have the quality and interest to match Sony 1st party.

Yes. Hence the conversation.

I think the joke went over his head.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think the joke went over his head.

No, it didn't. I'm just sticking to the point.

 

[Banjo64]

Yes, so it's a but weird to see you trash Spiderman 2 like it's a great counter-argument, as it only highlights the disparity in quality.

No it doesn’t, because the game is crap. Okami sold about 300k copies, it’s one of the best games ever made. Saying ‘Indy will only sell 1.2m copies on PS because PS fans have higher standards’ is objectively false when a crap game like Spider-Man 2 outsells most other games on the platform. That’s what the entire exchange has been about.

 

[simpatico]

but you can get the pussy.

You telling me a quick RT on and off comparison wouldn't drop some panties?

ruh roh

 

[Mattyp]

I'm watching the opening, the first 15 minutes is literally "press W to move forward" and "Press A to push thing", lolz.

Maybe watch the first movie.

 

[Banjo64]

You telling me a quick RT on and off comparison wouldn't drop some panties?

ruh roh

thanks for killing one of my only remaining brain cells with that screen shot.

 

[GHG]

 

[DenchDeckard]

No it doesn’t, because the game is crap. Okami sold about 300k copies, it’s one of the best games ever made. Saying ‘Indy will only sell 1.2m copies on PS because PS fans have higher standards’ is objectively false when a crap game like Spider-Man 2 outsells most other games on the platform. That’s what the entire exchange has been about.

The guy is celebrating Sony and their fans literally being the Disney Marvel of video games and isn't intelligent enough to see how much of an L that actually is.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

No it doesn’t, because the game is crap. Okami sold about 300k copies, it’s one of the best games ever made. Saying ‘Indy will only sell 1.2m copies on PS because PS fans have higher standards’ is subjectively false when a crap game like Spider-Man 2 outsells most other games on the platform. That’s what the entire exchange has been about.

Fixed.

I think some people are having a hard time grasping the reality of the different standards.

This isn't platform/console war anymore, it's titles on the same platform competing with eachother. Here's where quality and standards start to matter.

 

[jm89]

The guy is celebrating Sony and their fans literally being the Disney Marvel of video games and isn't intelligent enough to see how much of an L that actually is.

It's such an L that they are bringing commercial and ciritical success from spiderman.

 

[Banjo64]

Fixed.

I think some people are having a hard time grasping the reality of the different standards.

This isn't platform/console war anymore, it's titles on the same platform competing with eachother. Here's where quality and standards start to matter.

Yeah right, ok. Even the person I was talking too couldn’t point to anything beyond high production values when talking about SM2, and admitted the game is boring.

Sales have never been a good indicator of quality. Taylor Swift has sold 300m records, the MCU has made billions at the box office - you’d have to be dim to argue that that’s an indication of quality.

 

[The Fartist]

Can't we just be happy that there's a good Indy game, fuck's sake.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Indy looks great, and Machinegun Games really did a great job with the ip. Graphics are impressive as hell, and now I want to see Wolfenstein on this engine. Sound effects seem excellent and having the distinct Indy punch sound effect is as important to me as the pulse rifle sound in an Aliens game.

I’ll check out Steam reviews, and a couple more YouTubers I like, but I’ll be playing this no matter what. Makes more sense for me grab a month of Game Pass and blow through it, than buy it though.

 

[PatientGamer]

Glad to see this succeed. Honestly, I thought it'd fail hard going the FP route & being overseen by Microsoft.

A bunch of childish man-babies in this thread as usual though

 

[Mr Moose]

Why are people arguing about Spider-Man 2?

 

[King Dazzar]

Can't we just be happy that there's a good Indy game, fuck's sake.

 

[demigod]

Well i said it'd score an 86 in my prediction post and i was right lol. I might try this game when it comes to the ps5 but i'm still iffy on what i'm hearing about combat and all the backtracking you have to do. Game looks great graphically and cinematic wise though no doubt that.

Don’t celebrate just yet. We saw what happened with Starfield.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yeah right, ok. Even the person I was talking too couldn’t point to anything beyond high production values when talking about SM2, and admitted the game is boring.

That was me.

Sales have never been a good indicator of quality. Taylor Swift has sold 300m records, the MCU has made billions at the box office - you’d have to be dim to argue that that’s an indication of quality.

You're now going to divert to Taylor Swift and MCU?

 

[GHG]

Why are people arguing about Spider-Man 2?

 

[King Dazzar]

The Fartist its a joke my man.

I'm looking forward to giving this a whirl at some point on my XSX. If its any good I'll pick it up on PS5 next year - I'll be honest its looks half decent to me rather than great.. It's nice for Xbox to end on something positive for the year.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Production values trump boring arse missions like riding on bikes, playing as a deaf girl, playing as the Crimson Chin MJ, the most cringe worthy writing known to man, SBI DEI being rammed down your throat and terrible pacing.

Such high standards.

PS fans have become like Marvel fans.

No, but that doesn’t mean it’ll be a lesser game than Spider-Man 2, which was a really poor video game.

No it doesn’t, because the game is crap. Okami sold about 300k copies, it’s one of the best games ever made. Saying ‘Indy will only sell 1.2m copies on PS because PS fans have higher standards’ is objectively false when a crap game like Spider-Man 2 outsells most other games on the platform. That’s what the entire exchange has been about.

The guy is celebrating Sony and their fans literally being the Disney Marvel of video games and isn't intelligent enough to see how much of an L that actually is.

Maybe tone down the console warring and fanboying a bit? I get you might not like Spiderman, but it's in no way a bad or crap game. The sales, critical reception and general word of mouth is proof enough of it. Objectively, ignoring bias, I doubt anyone can say Spiderman games are crap. They have excellent graphics, gameplay, mission design and traversal. Sure you might not like the story or characters but at first they are average. Also, you surely can't take what MJ said while under the influence of venom( who according to the game causes people to loose control of their emotions, brings out negativity and made even Peter aggressive) and Peter accepting that( while fresh from venom's effects and clearly mentally unwell) as evidence of DEI or somehow insomniac hating Peter or the gameplay purposed "making mj one shot enemies" as someone meaning MJ is more powerful than Peter. This are all clearly fanboy arguments from people who haven't bothered to play a game they are commenting on.

Is insomniac DEI? Yes, but have they treated these games extremely well along with Peter? Yes.

 

[Ribi]

Production values trump boring arse missions like riding on bikes, playing as a deaf girl, playing as the Crimson Chin MJ, the most cringe worthy writing known to man, SBI DEI being rammed down your throat and terrible pacing.

Such high standards.

PS fans have become like Marvel fans.

300million btw and reused assets

 

[Banjo64]

That was me.

Why restart the conversation in the middle then?

You're now going to divert to Taylor Swift and MCU?

I’m trying to explain to you that sales =/= quality using examples from other industries that might be easy to wrap your head around. You said this game would only sell 1.2m as PS users have higher standards

Why are people arguing about Spider-Man 2?

Because Nostradamus here wanted to bring up PS sales (for a game releasing on the platform in 3 months’ time?) and the depth of ‘quality’ on the platform.

 

[Draugoth]

Sorry bro, I'm not sure if I have the time and energy to do the OT. I'll also probably be playing it over the holidays and not day 1 since I'm knee deep into this gacha game I'm playing rn, Wuthering Waves.

Maybe Draugoth wants to pick this one up since he also did this review thread.

Might do it later but i'm lacking energy lately.

 

[The Fartist]

The Fartist its a joke my man.

I know.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Why restart the conversation in the middle then?

I didn't.

I’m trying to explain to you that sales =/= quality using examples from other industries that might be easy to wrap your head around. You said this game would only sell 1.2m as PS users have higher standards


Because Nostradamus here wanted to bring up PS sales (for a game releasing on the platform in 3 months’ time?) and the depth of ‘quality’ on the platform.

First of all, I didn't bring up sales on PS5.

Secondly, how is that to somehow prove how amazing this game is, you have to drag 3 completely unrelated things into it (Spiderman 2, Taylor Swift and MCU) as if that would put any weight to whatever point you're trying to make?

Why not point to whatever strength stands out in this game?
I never even said Indy is trash or bad, just that it seems mediocre.

 

[Banjo64]

Maybe tone down the console warring and fanboying a bit?

It’s not console warring though or fanboying is it? This is the default response for some when you genuinely criticise a PS or Xbox game, and it’s because you can’t comprehend that someone would have genuine dissatisfaction or dislike for a game that you personally enjoy. Fuck Sony, fuck Microsoft, fuck Nintendo, fuck Valve - there you, that’s my official position. I like good games.

I get you might not like Spiderman, but it's in no way a bad or crap game. The sales, critical reception and general word of mouth is proof enough of it.

A BlackRock ran games industry reviewed a SBI BlackRock game highly. Colour me surprised.

Objectively, ignoring bias, I doubt anyone can say Spiderman games are crap.

I didn’t say Spider-Man games are crap though did I? Because I liked Spider-Man and MM enough to Platinum them.

They have excellent graphics, gameplay, mission design and traversal. Sure you might not like the story or characters but at first they are average. Also, you surely can't take what MJ said while under the influence of venom( who according to the game causes people to loose control of their emotions, brings out negativity and made even Peter aggressive) and Peter accepting that( while fresh from venom's effects and clearly mentally unwell) as evidence of DEI or somehow insomniac hating Peter or the gameplay purposed "making mj one shot enemies" as someone meaning MJ is more powerful than Peter. This are all clearly fanboy arguments from people who haven't bothered to play a game they are commenting on.

Is insomniac DEI? Yes, but have they treated these games extremely well along with Peter? Yes.

Allowing MJ to 1 shot normal human being enemies whom Spider-Man (a Super-Hero) has to land 5-10 blows on is the very definition of stupidity. The fact that roundabout lala clown world justifications need to be given to prove otherwise says it all.

 

[MMaRsu]

You guys do realize this is just another Playstation title to PS installbase, right?

Who cares dude?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Who cares dude?

DenchDeckard and Banjo64 , apparently.

 

[Bojji]

Better than I expected. Will be my next game after Metaphor (I still have to complete SH2...)

 

[GHG]

Pure Xbox have been taking the Ambassador programme ending personally.

 

[King Dazzar]

I find PS first party studio's are usually in a class of their own when it comes to technical quality. Accessibility options, making use of the systems dualsense feature set and things of that nature. They are on another level. But unfortunately that doesn't mean I like or enjoy all of their games. I couldn't bring myself to finish Spiderman 2.

 

[Banjo64]

First of all, I didn't bring up sales on PS5.

My mistake, I must have misunderstood this comment:

Ehh it'll probably sell something like 1-2M on PS5.

Secondly, how is that to somehow prove how amazing this game is, you have to drag 3 completely unrelated things into it (Spiderman 2, Taylor Swift and MCU) as if that would put any weight to whatever point you're trying to make?

Why not point to whatever strength stands out in this game?
I never even said Indy is trash or bad, just that it seems mediocre.

I’ve not played this game, to be honest I’d be surprised if you’ve played it or reviewed enough of the public information in order to form an actual view. My view is SBI and tailored review outlets is a major red flag.

 

[King Dazzar]

Pure Xbox have been taking the Ambassador programme ending personally.

Possible. Or maybe they dont think the game is anything special.

 

[Banjo64]

Pure Xbox have been taking the Ambassador programme ending personally.

That’s a good way to get black listed by Bethesda.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

My mistake, I must have misunderstood this comment:

It's all good, it happens.

I’ve not played this game, to be honest I’d be surprised if you’ve played it or reviewed enough of the public information in order to form an actual view. My view is SBI and tailored review outlets is a major red flag.

I've watched the first 2 hours yesterday.

Let's be real though, we're all experienced gamers that can make some decent impressions.

Like I said, I never said the game is bad.

 

[MakeMudosGreatAgain]

A I. review slop.

 

[Ozriel]

Whats wrong with waiting few more days to see independend reviewers give their opinion? Surely it should be ok to at least check it out, insteady of relying on ppl who are biased by default.

if you have no confidence in a consensus of reviewers, what exactly are you doing in a review thread?

Game is single player so even if u play it in a year u will only benefit- it will be more polished/bug free and likely cheaper, no need to rush/preorder at all

You and I are not in the same boat. I’m playing it on Monday next week on a high end PC. The definitive experience with full path tracing.

YOU can wait

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Could you put that shit under spoilers please ???

Goddam ign cannot let you experience a great idea without telling you first because they never had friends and did not socialize enough to know that's a lame move...

I figured it was the very beginning of the game but I went ahead and put the spoiler tag in.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Explains why there's no review from Skill Up yet, looks like they were selective about who got keys yet again.

Performance looks far better than expected though:

I should fucking hope so on a 4090.

 

[Nonehxc]

Pure Xbox have been taking the Ambassador programme ending personally.

Guess they are now Filthy Xbox.

 

[Von Hugh]

Why are you so upset that this game might be good? Killjoy-NL

I guess your nickname now makes sense since you are so keen on gatekeeping the "quality" of games. Such lame boomer behaviour.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So close :/

 

[DanielG165]

Any word on performance for Series X?

 

[BigLee74]

And the discussion was that this game won't sell amazingly well on PS5, because it doesn't have the quality and interest to match Sony 1st party.

You are fucking mental in the head.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

The costs more than a carton of eggs but looks like it's going to be really good.

Still I want to see more user reviews throughout the week.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Why are you so upset that this game might be good? Killjoy-NL

I'm not upset at all. If you pay attention, you'd see me respond to people who are actually upset over what I said.

I even stated twice that I'm not gonna tell people not to enjoy the game.

I guess your nickname now makes sense since you are so keen on gatekeeping the "quality" of games. Such lame boomer behaviour.

Talking about boomer behaviour in a thread about a game that has to rely on nostalgia.

 

[Mr.ODST]

Any word on performance for Series X?

Performs really really good so far, enjoying it alot