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[EviLore]

Wow
This is a movie I have been wanting since 1989!

I could not disagree with EviLore amny more.

If you loved the first three films, this very much captures the spirit of them.

Im tying this on my phone in the theatre right now because Im crying with joy at how fulfilling this movie has been as a lifelong Indiana Jones fan!!

Go see it, GAF! Don’t wait for streaming!

Happy for you

 

[belmarduk]

Kill it with fire!!!

Though this film would have been much better with a 15 years younger Indy and Mutt instead of Helena.

I mean, it’s not as if there isn’t precedent for a female lead being unlikable.

Are you telling me that you liked Willie Scott in Temple of Doom?

What about Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade? She was a Nazi, for Christ sake!

 

[AJUMP23]

Movie is an hour too long.

 

[jason10mm]

What about Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade? She was a Nazi, for Christ sake!

She makes my schnitzle sizzle and my dussel dorf.

 

[Ulysses 31]

What about Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade? She was a Nazi, for Christ sake!

I'd recommend watching movies like Der Untergand(Downfall) 2004 or Zwart Boek(Black Book) (2006)to get a little more nuanced view that not everyone in the National Socialist party was an inhuman soulless piece of trash and not everyone opposing them were paragons of virtue. War is messy.

 

[What A Shame...]

With the Paramount logo fade tossed aside, I can't stop thinking about how perfect it would've been for the Disney castle to transition into a Nazi stronghold.

 

[EviLore]

I mean, it’s not as if there isn’t precedent for a female lead being unlikable.

Are you telling me that you liked Willie Scott in Temple of Doom?

What about Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade? She was a Nazi, for Christ sake!

Willie is annoying, but also attractive, funny, and feminine, so it’s endearing. Steven Spielberg certainly didn’t think she was unlikeable. Indy, just like the audience, thinks she’s annoying but attractive too, so we identify with his interactions with her. Elsa is seductive and charismatic--and evil, but those qualities are not mutually exclusive. Before the audience and Indy know she's evil, she's unreservedly attractive. Inevitably afterwards still, too, which gives it some edge.

Wombat, meanwhile, is unlikeable, unattractive, smug, and sociopathic. She exists to undermine Indy and talk about how great she is. A perfect character for delusional social pariahs on Twitter to identify with, but not everyone else.

 

[LegendOfKage]

But Waller-Bridge’s love for Lara Croft stayed with her. “She had an attitude. She was very deliberate in what she wanted to do.” She remembers Croft’s balletic movements through tombs and the game’s moody serenity. “That all changed when they realized that they could market her to be a sex symbol,” she says with a twitch of annoyance.

“I should naturally have done a lot of Bond research [but] I didn’t do a huge amount of research for it. I’m not very good at homework. That says a lot. It is fun playing in someone else’s sandpit for a while as you learn stuff. I certainly learned what my Bond film would be like. I learned how mine might have been slightly too camp. A bit misogynistic really.” -Phoebe Waller-Bridge on being a writer for No Time To Die

OH! I get it. She's insufferable. That's why she was given this movie.

 

[The Skull]

Willie is annoying, but also attractive, funny, and feminine, so it’s endearing. Steven Spielberg certainly didn’t think she was unlikeable. Indy, just like the audience, thinks she’s annoying but attractive too, so we identify with his interactions with her. Elsa is seductive and charismatic--and evil, but those qualities are not mutually exclusive. Before the audience and Indy know she's evil, she's unreservedly attractive. Inevitably afterwards still, too, which gives it some edge.

Wombat, meanwhile, is unlikeable, unattractive, smug, and sociopathic. She exists to undermine Indy and talk about how great she is. A perfect character for delusional social pariahs on Twitter to identify with, but not everyone else.

At this point in the movie

Spoiler: Mid film spoiler

where Antonio Banderas's character, one of Indy's best friends, is killed and she's like "LOL DYNAMITE" on the escape boat after

I don't think I've ever rooted for a character to be killed off more in any other film.

 

[scoobidoo112]

At this point in the movie

Spoiler: Mid film spoiler

where Antonio Banderas's character, one of Indy's best friends, is killed and she's like "LOL DYNAMITE" on the escape boat after

I don't think I've ever rooted for a character to be killed off more in any other film.

I had that pervasive thought almost the entire way through this movie. Man I really wouldn't mind if you just like... died right now.

What's sad is that I was genuinly enjoying the first 20 minutes, but once we step into the present and are introduced to Helena the whole thing just takes a giant nose dive.

I was waiting for the movie to give her some kind of arc that makes her relatable or likeable, but no, she's just an insufferable, smug a-hole the whole time.

After about an hour and a half I just kind of gave up and sat out the clock. Way too long and way too boring.

 

[jason10mm]

With the Paramount logo fade tossed aside, I can't stop thinking about how perfect it would've been for the Disney castle to transition into a Nazi stronghold.

You KNOW someone mentioned doing that in some meeting....

....that person now works for Netflix

 

[belmarduk]

I'd recommend watching movies like Der Untergand(Downfall) 2004 or Zwart Boek(Black Book) (2006)to get a little more nuanced view that not everyone in the National Socialist party was an inhuman soulless piece of trash and not everyone opposing them were paragons of virtue. War is messy.

Der Untergang is one of my all-time favorite films. It does not cast any Nazis in a good light. Particularly Magda Goebbels.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Der Untergang is one of my all-time favorite films. It does not cast any Nazis in a good light. Particularly Magda Goebbels.

Neither movie does cast Nazi's overall in a good light but they add nuance to some of the people working with/for them.

Valkyrie with Tom Cruise is another one showing some nuance to a portion of the Nazi's.

 

[belmarduk]

Neither movie does cast Nazi's overall in a good light but they add nuance to some of the people working with/for them.

Valkyrie with Tom Cruise is another one showing some nuance to a portion of the Nazi's.

The Nazis are not morally ambiguous in the Indiana Jones series. Elsa Schneider was very clearly a bad person with sinister motives in The Last Crusade. This is the ethos of the films. I know that on an individual level, even Nazis were humans.

 

[GymWolf]

I mean, it’s not as if there isn’t precedent for a female lead being unlikable.

Are you telling me that you liked Willie Scott in Temple of Doom?

What about Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade? She was a Nazi, for Christ sake!

Willie scott was a treasure, she was actually funny and kinda sexy, she is annoying but you have to admit that indie fuck up her life and she has every reason to be mad.

Nazi chick was just pure sexiness, at least she had a redeeming quality, also, even if she is a baddie, the character is good enough that you feel a bit sad when she die because she also probably felt something for indy.

 

[Vyse]

I really liked it. Remember waiting in line for hours as a kid waiting to get into see Raiders. This was a nice wrap up to the series.

Side note, read that Sean Connery was 57 in the Last Crusade. Harrison Ford is 80.

 

[Kenpachii]

Found it a solid movie, nice ending. A bit on the long side dragged a bit to long in the mid. But solid either way. CGI and actoin scenees where commical bad at times, and honestly everything is predictable to say the least.

 

[Artoris]

It's the echo seen what haunts me

 

[SirKicksalot]

Banderas should have been the sidekick.

 

[BlackTron]

Wombat, meanwhile, is unlikeable, unattractive, smug, and sociopathic. She exists to undermine Indy and talk about how great she is. A perfect character for delusional social pariahs on Twitter to identify with, but not everyone else.

I haven't seen it but it's nice to know that there is an Indy out there now that makes a good fit for a "modern audience". It would be a shame to go through life without any chance to identify with your amazing gal sarcastically tearing down the ultimate symbol of the old world misogynistic patriarchy, Grandpa Harrison Ford who can't remember which pocket has his Werther's Originals. Wouldn't want to deny that win to anyone, quick squeeze it in before he checks out.

Yeah, I'm probably never seeing it

 

[jason10mm]

Wombat is a mirror version of Indy in so many ways, I'm surprised they didn't give her a cat o nine tails or riding crop as a "signature weapon".

I don't care what they say publicly, I'm CONVINCED she walked away with the whip and hat in an earlier version.

Her first grand adventure? "Helena Shaw and the Hunt for the Female Orgasm!" Co-starring Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Rosa Parks, Julia Childs, and any other 60s feminist icons we can think of!

 

[belmarduk]

I haven't seen it but it's nice to know that there is an Indy out there now that makes a good fit for a "modern audience". It would be a shame to go through life without any chance to identify with your amazing gal sarcastically tearing down the ultimate symbol of the old world misogynistic patriarchy, Grandpa Harrison Ford who can't remember which pocket has his Werther's Originals. Wouldn't want to deny that win to anyone, quick squeeze it in before he checks out.

Yeah, I'm probably never seeing it

That’s not the movie at all. Indy is old and carmudeonly but it’s definitely not a feminist movie.

 

[jason10mm]

That’s not the movie at all. Indy is old and carmudeonly but it’s definitely not a feminist movie.

Ehhhh, somewhat. Helena gets in her digs a few times. But she is written almost as a man so it is pretty muted. The jilted fiancee bit is about the only indication she is a female. It's more PWB blathering off set than anything that made it into the film.

You gotta wonder though, does unibrow keep her warm at night?

 

[EviLore]

"So an older Harrison Ford character has a crappy life, split up from his significant other, lost a son, teams up with a younger female character with a British accent who takes over the movie?"

 

[DeepEnigma]

'Sound of Freedom' beats 'Indiana Jones' in incredible box-office coup

Action movie "Sound of Freedom" is based on the real-life story of Tim Ballard, founder of the anti-trafficking group Operation Underground Railroad.

www.newsweek.com

'BLEW US AWAY': Angel Studios Co-Founder Reacts to Historic Box Office Victory for 'Sound of Freedom'

The sex trafficking thriller "Sound of Freedom" punches out "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" at the Fourth of July box office.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

She doesn't go back in time to erases and replace Indy. But she does punch him out and drag him back to the current timeline coz Indy didn't want to go back..

We know that they re-shot the ending.

 

[Ulysses 31]

We know that they re-shot the ending.

Obviously I'm talking about the theatrical cut but it wouldn't surprise me if big changes/edits edits were made.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

There are strong rumors that the Disney parks, people no longer go as before... And there are more problems in the territory of Asia.

 

[hyperbertha]

Didn't see the show. Can't believe that they did this. Hugo Weawing was perfect. Why would they butcher his character?

Really? Youre surprised?

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Really? Youre surprised?

I am. I was surprised when in avengers they changed the Red skull too.

 

[Salz01]

I haven’t seen the movie yet, but this thread and all the talk of it being a bomb makes me so sad. I was so hyped to see this movie, for it to shit the bed. I was dreaming of a Ford / Cruise knockout summer block buster punch. Hoping now Cruise pulls through and it’s just not all fabricated buzz on Twitter.

 

[newtypepilot]

 

[juliushandle]

I loved this movie and don't understand where all the negativity is coming from. Maybe it was Indy's goddaughter's giant fivehead.

 

[MayauMiao]

I haven’t seen the movie yet, but this thread and all the talk of it being a bomb makes me so sad. I was so hyped to see this movie, for it to shit the bed. I was dreaming of a Ford / Cruise knockout summer block buster punch. Hoping now Cruise pulls through and it’s just not all fabricated buzz on Twitter.

My brother went to see it 3 days ago, met him yesterday for ramen. Not once he mention about his take on Indy 5. It must be really bad.

At least we had a good ramen.

 

[MayauMiao]

There are strong rumors that the Disney parks, people no longer go as before... And there are more problems in the territory of Asia.

Well Disney is killing their most popular ride for...this.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I just saw a commercial that says if you spend $35 or more at Applebee's they will give you a free ticket.

 

[jason10mm]

Well Disney is killing their most popular ride for...this.

I've never forgiven Disney for shuttering Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea......FAAAAR and away my most favorite ride as a kid. Then they stripped away the "undersea lab" aspects of the Epcot Seas attraction. It's like they hate the ocean or something

 

[DeepEnigma]

I just saw a commercial that says if you spend $35 or more at Applebee's they will give you a free ticket.

For real?

 

[EviLore]

Applebee’s, the perfect partner for Disney Indiana Jones!

 

[Batiman]

I’ll probably watch it with my son tomorrow. The internet reactions are making me feel it ain’t as bad as the reviewers make it out to be.

I’m not too excited about the film length though. I swear the last 4 movies I’ve seen in theatres were long as fuck. My ass gets soar sitting down for so long. Every movie seems to be 2 and half hours nowadays.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

For real?

Yup.

EviLore just posted an article of it above.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Applebee’s, the perfect partner for Disney Indiana Jones!

 

[EddieVanHelgen]

I... Really liked this. I don't really know why. It reminded me of Uncharted which reminded me of indiana jones so it's all come full circle. It was a bit silly in places, and I don't particularly like what it did to Indys character and family relationships but I was entertained. PWB was rather obnoxious but not overbearing in a 'replacing' way. I'd knock points off for some ropey looking effects and the racial slur which shouldn't be in a Disney film in 2023. Other than that, had a good time.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Saw it tonight and really enjoyed it. After reading comments I was expecting a lot less but I thought all of the things people complaining about were fine and actually positive developments for Indy’s character. Nicely wrapped up

 

[Teletraan1]

RT only counts user reviews from people who link their ticketing account and verified they watched the movie. But don’t worry people are already running the conspiracy that Disney is buying tickets just to post user reviews.

Or perhaps they are not including negative reviews and only including the positive ones. Lets say 6 million people saw this movie, finding 1000 or 10,000 that actually liked it wouldn't be a huge feat. They don't need to make up reviews they just need to omit the ones that don't line up. The Little Mermaid has a 94% audience score, one of the highest audience scores in history, if that seems right to you then you are a fool.

 

[belmarduk]

I... Really liked this. I don't really know why. It reminded me of Uncharted which reminded me of indiana jones so it's all come full circle. It was a bit silly in places, and I don't particularly like what it did to Indys character and family relationships but I was entertained. PWB was rather obnoxious but not overbearing in a 'replacing' way. I'd knock points off for some ropey looking effects and the racial slur which shouldn't be in a Disney film in 2023. Other than that, had a good time.

What racial slur? I definitely missed that.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I'm suprised and glad that the Rotten Tomatoes audience score is still 88%. Looks like a lot of people like the movie despite the internet and critics reactions.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

There are strong rumors that the Disney parks, people no longer go as before... And there are more problems in the territory of Asia.

Maybe it's bad elsewhere, but OG Disneyland in Anaheim is fucking packed every day

The pricing for Disney parks has become stupidly high though, at some point if attendance is really declining they will have no choice but to lower prices

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I'd knock points off for some ropey looking effects and the racial slur which shouldn't be in a Disney film in 2023.

Okay, you have me curious now. What racial slur was that?

 

[Wildebeest]

They Disney princessed Indie?