[Insider Gaming] Activision Purchase Hasn’t Helped Xbox Game Pass, Report Claims
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HeisenbergFX4
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The last couple of CODs have been on GP and they are still the #1 last year and #2 the year before (the glorified DLC one) top selling games
So either GP is dead and no one plays it or so many people are on GP that its going to kill the top selling game
I can't keep up
Zacfoldor
Member
CoD peaked with this most recent release and will only go downhill from here. I can feel. There is a time when you can just feel the whole zeitgeist wanting to jump in and now that thing has been tried. I can see the high water mark where the water crested and it's starting to recede.
/remindme 10 years
You think I'm joking but wait and see.
My prediction for 10 years. Slow devaluation of all the IP MS has purchased so far. Instead of nurturing new IP and experiencing that early growth phase they bought IP either in its prime or in most cases just past it. Today is the best the IP they own will ever be. There is something lost when we skip the early/youth/growth/nurture stages of an IP.
This is public domain but I'll attribute it.
Nothing Gold Can Stay
By Robert FrostNature's first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
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coachmcguirk91
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The only way they bring back older COD's is if they slap a bunch of microtransactions in the multiplayer, even for games that never had them to begin with
Baemono
Member
Honestly I cannot fathom how Spencer remains employed EVERY major decision the man has made was the wrong move for xbox
You might think he has some sort of deep understanding on how gaming works, and then you see his work emails and you realize he is as knowledgable as the average GAF user.
Gambit2483
Member
I don't think anything can help Gamepass at this point outside of a major price drop.
Game streaming is just not the same as video or audio streaming and the amount of time and investment needed for videogames means that ultimately you are not getting a true bang for your buck unless the content quality is EXTREMELY high and consistent...and with Xbox it hasn't been...
Game streaming is just not the same as video or audio streaming and the amount of time and investment needed for videogames means that ultimately you are not getting a true bang for your buck unless the content quality is EXTREMELY high and consistent...and with Xbox it hasn't been...
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
People have talked about the demise of COD for years now so you say it still has another 10 years in it even if not being at the very top of the charts?
I think MS would take that
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Cool, more games added to GP so people can play it for cheap. Surely this will be a popular decision in the wake of the Switch 2 game price hikes.
Honestly I cannot fathom how Spencer remains employed EVERY major decision the man has made was the wrong move for xbox
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Most of them already have a shit-ton of mtx and lootboxes.
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PlayStaytion
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I'm not quite sure which is bigger, the service or that.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
People love to hate on CODCool, more games added to GP so people can play it for cheap. Surely this will be a popular decision in the wake of the Switch 2 game price hikes.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
People seem really concerned that it might get devalued. Hopefully they raise it past Mario Kart to at least $90 starting price. Really hope it gets more expensive soon.
coachmcguirk91
Member
I guarantee you Activision's monetization per player is way higher today than 10 years ago
Perhaps but this is more likely to be due to the rise of warzone and people spending more on newer games but in terms of actual monetization model I'm not sure. The likes of Modern warfare remastered from 2016 had lootboxes, meaning it was like gambling to get what you wanted and you had to keep on spending.
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Bond007
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Im not hating COD.
Of course its also going to be #1 - it remains a juggernaut. I buy em myself.
Nor am i saying GP is dead- im sure they got some extra subs due to the game - on a monthly subscription. Nor kill it.
But whats the metric here with GP and that eating up sales of full game purchases? or is it just gauging engagement?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
With the billions they spent on Activision, they could have instead use it to run a normal Console platform with normal games, and the money would have lasted them more than ten years even if they didn't make any profit. Xbox could have limped along as a gaming console for at least 2 more game generations if they had kept their heads down and not draw attention from head office.
Instead Spencer decided to self destruct. Their miscalculation was the Activision was physically more profitable than Xbox itself. So when they bought Activision with the intent to sacrifice it to boost Xbox, Microsoft CEOs stopped it and reversed the decision. The bigger fish eats the smaller fish. Activision was bigger, so Activision eats Xbox and made the entire thing Third Party.
rm082e
Member
And if COD didn't move the needle significantly on Game Pass subscriber numbers, there's no real hope that anything will. So how long does the Xbox brand keep this service around in it's current form? Are they ever able to divorce themselves from it and be a regular game publisher again, or are they essentially forced to ride this thing into the ground?
mayham2199
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I think they are going to give GP more time for now. Probably see how high they can raise the price and get people to stick around as well as hope it grows in the future.
rm082e
Member
Sure, but that's my point - what reason do they have to think it will grow in the future? They've thrown the kitchen sink at it in terms of benefits and features, but the subscriber numbers have been flat for a few years now. All indications are they've reached market saturation for that type of service. They're in a horrible spot. They make too much money off Game Pass to unwind it now, but they also can't seem to get any more growth out of it.
ValiantInstance
Member
I think after the Verdansk hype wears off they are actually screwed to be honest.
Overall player numbers and especially multiplayer interest is at an all time low, at least since Warzone launched.
What do they pull out of their ass next to win players back?
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
There are hundreds of Activision games in the back catalog which are
1. Not backwards compatible
2. Not on Game pass
3. IP's left to die
There is so much more they can do.
Need an Atari 50 update with the Atari 2600 Activision games (with protypes and interviews). Those were the best 2600 games and most are still fun.
1. Not backwards compatible
2. Not on Game pass
3. IP's left to die
There is so much more they can do.
Need an Atari 50 update with the Atari 2600 Activision games (with protypes and interviews). Those were the best 2600 games and most are still fun.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I mean I am nearing 58
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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nowhat
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It's ok. Just trying to be helpful.I mean I am nearing 58
(and I shouldn't be one to laugh, I'm closer to 50 than 40)
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Hopefully the multiplayers come too. Dat MW2.
Baemono
Member
Do they though ? If I recall correctly GP revenue is like less than 1/3 of their overall Xbox games and services revenue, and since they spend billions on deals and their own game development, I am not sure they're making « too much money »
MandingoMcThickens
Member
I think you're right. I'm not, nor have I ever been much of a CoD guy. They got about 50 or 60 bones out of me with it being on Game Pass. If it wasn't, they would've received nothing from me
Shambalakan
Member
What happened to Crash Bandicoot 4?
Yep, MS needs to start working with what they got. This shit is easy.
Knucklepux
Neo Member
To be real, Xbox literally had the gaming world by the throat last year with an absolute banger of a showcase. Finally set to deliver on great exclusive games that could tip the scale and get them on the path back to what we all fondly remember the 360 as. But……
They gave in to short sighted-ness and immediate return on investment. Sacrificing their brand.
They can say that "rising game costs, blah blah blah" So therefore we need IP on every device. But there is nothing to suggest rising cost will change. So now you've put your games everywhere while sacrificing your brand…and now what?
Well, they're gonna be in no position other than to raise gamepass prices even further. Thus removing any real sense of value unless you care about maybe 1-2 "1st party" per year and a bunch of old games??
They're probably punching air after seeing what Nintendo did with their pricing
They gave in to short sighted-ness and immediate return on investment. Sacrificing their brand.
They can say that "rising game costs, blah blah blah" So therefore we need IP on every device. But there is nothing to suggest rising cost will change. So now you've put your games everywhere while sacrificing your brand…and now what?
Well, they're gonna be in no position other than to raise gamepass prices even further. Thus removing any real sense of value unless you care about maybe 1-2 "1st party" per year and a bunch of old games??
They're probably punching air after seeing what Nintendo did with their pricing
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Little Chicken
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Denny Fish is lying.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
MS only option to get the gaming market is to purchase Steam and roll every thing into Steam.
And yes, that would be an awful thing for PC gaming.
Thankfully Gabe aint selling, but that's the only acquisition MS could make that would move the needle.
Plus, I doubt the shareholders are going to allow another acquisition.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Still number 1, but it didn't result in any new GP players and had less sales on xbox than previous years.
please tell me how that is a gain.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I don't know about long term but pretty sure MS said it caused the biggest spike in GP history though likely people only paying for a month to play the campaign
Besides I didn't bring up anything about growing GP I just said it didn't hurt COD sales and that money now goes right to MS as well now
Angry_Megalodon
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Anyone with half a brain knows that GP or any other video game services have a certain limit of potential customers regardless of what games are included in the subscription.
This EPIC FAIL happens because MS execs have always been tourists in the gaming industry.
This EPIC FAIL happens because MS execs have always been tourists in the gaming industry.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
As good as call of duty is it's not even the best shooter.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Nope but it's hard to beat for a quick fix of wanting to play a shooter without much thought
A few other shooters come to mind when I am wanting to really try hard
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yet they never share numbers…hmmm why is that?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I mean, Game Pass (and the overall Phil Spencer vision/master plan) hasn't helped Xbox AT ALL. The Business Update was the dead giveaway.
Going forward after that fateful day (which is what we're currently experiencing), Xbox has been pivoting like crazy. Why the fuck are they suddenly pushing Play Anywhere again (a 9 year old initiative whose adoption has been declining for years?)
I don't think MS / Xbox (as a video game dev-publisher) has ever had to deal with an endeavor as insanely big, expensive, and ongoing as Call of Duty. These mfers can't even do actual marketing for their games, and now suddenly they have to deal with CoD?.... i think MS/Xbox are spooked at how much money they have to spend to keep the machine going. (Its a business)
Several weeks ago, my YT feed was showing content creators talking about how Warzone 2.0 was going to be axed if the next map didn't bring people back (and it seems it did), they always complain about SBMM, cheaters, and all the skins make CoD silly.
But as I said once: I think CoD (Activision in general) has been working in overdrive mode for a while now; they've already shown some cracks in the pipeline. Is MS/Xbox going to alleviate the pressure or they will make thing go boom? I will give them 3-5 years
speaking of:
how big this drama is for the algorithm to push this?
Going forward after that fateful day (which is what we're currently experiencing), Xbox has been pivoting like crazy. Why the fuck are they suddenly pushing Play Anywhere again (a 9 year old initiative whose adoption has been declining for years?)
I don't think MS / Xbox (as a video game dev-publisher) has ever had to deal with an endeavor as insanely big, expensive, and ongoing as Call of Duty. These mfers can't even do actual marketing for their games, and now suddenly they have to deal with CoD?.... i think MS/Xbox are spooked at how much money they have to spend to keep the machine going. (Its a business)
Several weeks ago, my YT feed was showing content creators talking about how Warzone 2.0 was going to be axed if the next map didn't bring people back (and it seems it did), they always complain about SBMM, cheaters, and all the skins make CoD silly.
But as I said once: I think CoD (Activision in general) has been working in overdrive mode for a while now; they've already shown some cracks in the pipeline. Is MS/Xbox going to alleviate the pressure or they will make thing go boom? I will give them 3-5 years
speaking of:
how big this drama is for the algorithm to push this?
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
It made it so I can play the CoD campaign for dirt cheap Day 1 instead of waiting months to buy it at $20 or less
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
They don't give a shit about identity, shareholders were sick and tired at the money thrown away (from their perspective) on video games. They want to squeeze as much money out of it as they can, as quickly as possible. You know what is really perplexing? The recurring revenue model is not a bad idea, it's that after deciding on the new direction, they left the same dumbass team in place like idiot Phil Spencer, who should have been fired years ago.
Phil Spencer failed spectacularly at the old model, why would he succeed with the new one? That should have hired someone like Amanda Northcutt or David Gardner with experience in this sector.
mathello
Banned
It maybe didn't drastically get new users, but I think it drastically got older users to resub and kept people going longer than usual. Long term it will just kill the brand of call of duty. Though when game prices are all 80-100 on consoles, gamepass will be looking still worth the value and not diminishing user numbers is a win too.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
As if GamePass can afford to keep going at the same price if single games are increased to 100 dollars. Xbox would be absorbing the price difference which affect profitability.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Sorry to tell you this, but it didn't have an identity before that. They had numerous opportunities to make gains (Starfield) and they went nowhere.