Pretty saw the spoilers and aren't happy with the direction they took the story. It's really as simple as that.
I don't think you can really extrapolate an entire game based a spoiler video. I very much doubt the entire plot of the game was exposed and I'm sure there is some context people are missing. I really don't understand why people wont respect a studio enough to play through on their own before judgement or allow the reviewers you trust to give their verdict. People judging TLOU 2 now based on these leaks seems really forced to me, it's like they were never really interested and waiting for something to pounce on......Especially those who say they were the biggest ND fan and are now cancelling their pre-orders. Anyone can order a game and cancel it for whatever reasons, even fake that they are fans and give their take, the extremes some will go to. Yet, I don't see how you are a huge fan of ND and you know story is big for ND games and still went to watch spoilers. It's just does not make much sense, since you would want to experience that on your own playthrough fresh.
No, I thought ND was the best studio at making Movie type games. I hate them now after hearing the direction the studio is going. It's just not for me. I just won't purchase another ND game anytime in the near future.
Like this for e.g, if this is not sarcasm that is....
They are the top of their popularity. Top of their game was the Uncharted 2 days.
Their last two main games was 92% and 93% on Meta and they both sold boatloads. Top of your game means your games are reviewing well and selling even better.
I've been doing it for a while now, and I've become quite good at it. For me, it was the decline in charm that came with The Last of Us. I never liked Crash games, started with Uncharted 2, and have never seen them top that game.
Everything after Uncharted 2 seemed to have a layer of up-it's-own-assness in the story.
I tried to play through The Last of Us Remastered with my girlfriend. Compared to the holy gift that is Horizon Zero Dawn, TLOU shits the bed as soon as it gives control to the player in a real way. Terrible box moving, shit stealth, ps1 generation aiming, let me boost you over this wall shit.
Watching The Last of Us 2 train wreck with my reality glasses fully on has been the best thing to happen to Naught Dogs games since their talent started to fan out across the industry. God, the commradery that must have been felt on the uncharted 3 B team as you watched the TLOU pretty much suck every person you hate at the company onto one project. I'd go to the bar with those dudes, and maybe even choreograph a fight for the game so we could expense the tab.
If you don't like most ND games that's fine, but you can't judge a game until it's released. meaning TLOU2. Everyone is on about UC2 and it's obviously a great game, but know also, that many people love all the UC games equally and some people even prefer the other games as their favorites. My favorite UC game is Drake's fortune, some people swear by UC3. UC4 is a great game and many people swear by that. Some people think LOU1 is the best game ever made. The truth is, people's opinions on what is the best game is subjective, your take is. No one has any issues with that and your preference. The issue is when people believe they need to wage a war because of it, they didn't like some direction of story in one of the games and they pretend as if the gameplay in UC has changed and they cant play anymore.. One guy is even upset that Nadine beats Drake, these little things are meaningless as reasons to fight a studio...
I've no trouble with ND as a dev, they're actually one of my favorites.
And I don't mind politics and agendas in my games, even if I disagree with respective ideologies. But if you're going to infuse your works with these ideologies, don't think you can come at me and sling the most disgusting of labels and accusations my way when I don't embrace them. Especially when there is abundant evidence in statements, actions, and affiliations on your side indicative of you embracing toxicity and pushing that bullshit in the most ham-fisted and idiotic way possible.
That's not my fault ND, it's yours, and I'll tell you to get fucked and take a look in the mirror as to why people are so opposed to you.
What toxicity are you talking about? Are you saying ND is pushing toxicity, what exactly are you talking about? It would seem like they've committed the cardinal sin.
TLW you said you haven't watched or read any of the leaks, the leaks are the main reason why people are turning against ND. This thread is a bit pointless when you dont even know why the backlash is happening in the first place.
I dont think anyone is trying to say ND are not a good studio who make good games (although i still think Uncharted 2 amd 3 are way better than 4, and the leaks to me show that TLAU will be way better than the sequel).
The leaks is not representative of 20-30 hours of a game. People can buy or not buy ND games, that's not my issue. My issue is the reasons people give, how are you judging an unreleased product. People saying that the leak is why they went from the biggest fan to the most critical does not make much sense. You are so annoyed that you are willing to miss probably the best game this generation because you are against a certain story line or one snippet of the story arch. I would nto call such persons fans, they are only hiding behind that guise....
I'm all up for choice and people liking what they like, but there is no truth to these radical 180's......It's like your favorite/most anticipated movie is coming to cinema, you've seen all the trailers, all your friends say they are going to watch it and it looks great, but then when you get to the cinema door, one guy says to you, this happens in the beginning of the movie, the movie sucks. You turn and go home and say you are massively dissapointed, this does not compute...
Still, ND hate and people trying to diminish their games, their review scores, their numerous GOTY's, their sales, the graphics they push, the stories they tell is nothing new.....It's been consistent and widespread against ND for years. Cue any thread where people say UC4 and LL are the best looking games they've seen, an ND game is the best they've played or any thread where people praise ND or where they reach another milestone in sales. Hating on ND has nothing to do with the leak, it's mostly people hating on their success and the quality games they've been pushing for a while now. ND has always delivered on some of the best looking games, best reviewed and some of the most well received games relative to sales. Their characters and animation work and general tech has always been on point forever. Crash and Jak was just straight bonkers back in the day and it's the same now with their current games, pushing the envelope......People want to tear them down through poaching, such a big studio of course some people will be disgruntled, working at such a studio, the expectation from employees is high, you are not working on bad rats 3......So people want to see them fall because of that longstanding and consistent success, but sometimes I think we are against ourselves in this industry, our own worst enemies by allowing our console affiliations to set narratives in motion that we know not to be true. ND is a great studio, LOU 2 is their biggest game, they needed more people to work on it, it's not like all the good people have left, that's far from the truth. Allow the game to do the talking as opposed to smear it with "what I saw in the leaks" is the worse sin ever imagined, ND will never be forgiven types of hyperbole and fake news. Let people judge for themselves and read proper reviews when the time is right.....
Also, people should really read on other studios which had/have a high quality ceiling. Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo was/is no joke when it came to what they expect from their employees. You don't make the best games by just coming in and doing the normal 8 hours, you have to push beyond that. We currently have a culture, where people complain about everything, they want to do the most minimal tasks, hardly accomplish their targets, but are always at the forefront of wanting higher salaries and benefits.....This world is much too competitive for normal and underserving employees and efforts. You need drive and ambition and for people not to be lazy to succeed....I think the current culture of people simply "talking smack online and on Youtube" and getting paid, the social influencers, only fans, people mailing soiled panties have caused people to believe this is how life should work. Then of course any disgruntled employee who got the axe, discord goon or person with an agenda can go on twitter and wage his war/fud there......There is no shortage of avenues to direct an attack these days, and lets be honest, our so called game journalists are mostly Youtube people now, they love a controversial story and will even make mountains out of mole-hills to secure the hits.......Then LOU 2 drops and everybody loves it and it gets great accolades and the cycle continues....Then you say, but the leak said, this journalist said, this former disgruntled dev said...Yet by now, we should know that the level of honesty and sincerity within the vestiges of current journalism is long gone. It's all about the hits now and anything goes towards that end...