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[Sabotage]

I just have a laptop which I'm fine with...

AMD Ryzen 7 4800H Mobile Processor
AMD Radeon RX 5600M 6GB GDDR6
16GB, 2x8GB, DDR4, 3200MHz
512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive

 

[Guilty_AI]

No because people won't be able to run the games like PS5 does, using the same hardware 4 years from now.

Many cards from the beginning of the last gen were still able to run late ps4 Xone games at similar or better quality/performance than those base consoles.
I don't think it'll be any different for this gen.

 

[Arioco]

4K wasn't used at all. The PS5 games he tested targeted 1080p in their 120fps mode. I think Dirt 5 was the only one that used DRS in 120fps mode and it varied between 900-1440p which GN clearly pointed out. In that case, GN used a GTX 1080 and clearly showed that the PS5 outperformed it. So how is he only showing results he "wanted" again?

PS5 does NOT have a 1080p@120fps mode. Its 120 mode is reconstructed 4K from a native resolution way higher than 1080p, same as Series X, that's why there's no point in comparing it to the game running at 1080p on PC.

By the way, you can watch DF analysis or any other analysis you like, but even in that mode PS5 doesn't drop into the 30s. Only in 4K or RT Quality modes can dip to something close to 30 fps.

Is really that hard to see that Gamer Nexus bech is flawed?

 

[reksveks]

3080 with a zen 3 cpu, 64gb ram and 980 pro so yes but not using it alot.

 

[Haggard]

. Still play mostly on consoles since I love gaming on the couch.

HDMI cable to the tv
+
Wireless M&Kb \ controller
= best of both worlds

 

[Aroll]

Rocking a 5900x and a 6700XT right now with a gen 4 NVME 1TB drive and 32 gb of ram at 3200 speed, CL 16.

Likely going to 4,000 MHZ soon on the ram.

As for "is it more powerful than a PS5 & series X" and, of course, addressing the massive elephant in the room that most "steam" users still play at 1080p.

Overall: Yes, this is more powerful than a PS5 and Series X. Even though they both have more VRAM and will arguably output more TFlops, that doesn't tell the entire story as the bus bandwidth is better and, more importantly, my card can be overclocked to a 2998mhz, which is what it runs at now, giving faster overall speeds despite 4gb less "ram". Not only that, but the 16gb of vram is a misleading direct comparison as some of that VRAM is used for other tasks that PC's siphon off to DRAM and the CPU.

CPU wise, it's not close, 12 cores, 24 threads, with an all core OC of 5ghz, with half of my cores able to turbo to 5.2ghz. It's just not a fair comparison, plus a custom water loop cools the CPU. Liquid metal and a bad heat sink on PS5 combined with it being an APU ain't going to touch that. There is something to be said of course for those "new gen consoles" using better "ram" overall, but in the end the systems aren't really... close to what I have.

As for the 1080p remark - while in general I feel like most PC gamers probably have less specs and something more modest that leads to 1080p, it's also true that in the PC world, gaming at "4K" isn't exactly considered ideal no matter the build, unless you have a 3090 or a 6900XT. Even then, you should be focused on getting a 200+mhz panel that's going to support a much higher frame rate than most 4k monitors anyways and settle for 1440p. I know people with 3080's and rocking 11900k or a 5950x,that still use 1080p because they have 300+ mhz monitor options that provide a much better gaming experience than even a 4k 120hz panel.

4k is being incorrectly pushed by these "next-gen" home consoles when, to be completely honest, they are not 4k consoles. They will be using tricks this entire generation to get there and shouldn't do pretty much anything but indie titles at native 4k. Which is fine, btw. Especially as AMD's version of DLSS matures.

4K is just not a great experience for gaming unless you can get like... 144 fps+.

I say this of course, as I spend a lot of time playing 30FPS on a Nintendo Switch. But that doesn't change the fact all those games would be better at 60. And I know, most consider 60 to be great. That's cool! But also... once you play a lot of games at 120+, 200+... i mean, 60 doesn't look too great then.

In the end, all the gaming options out there are fine.

 

[Erebus]

3570k
1060 6GB
8GB DDR3

It would be really worrying if the new consoles aren't more powerful than my aging rig.

 

[Topher]

PS5 does NOT have a 1080p@120fps mode. Its 120 mode is reconstructed 4K from a native resolution way higher than 1080p, same as Series X, that's why there's no point in comparing it to the game running at 1080p on PC.

By the way, you can watch DF analysis or any other analysis you like, but even in that mode PS5 doesn't drop into the 30s. Only in 4K or RT Quality modes can dip to something close to 30 fps.

Is really that hard to see that Gamer Nexus bech is flawed?

Then why is DF telling me that Borderlands 3 targets a native 1080p@120hz?

"The big advantage in owning PS5 and Series X is the ability to leverage a high refresh rate display. To summarise, the resolution mode runs at 4K60fps on each, but the performance mode changes the console output to 120Hz - in this case targeting a native 1080p. This uses DRS as well to try and lock to 120fps and the lowest value I've caught is 1440x810 in cutscenes."

Borderlands 3 tested on PS5, Xbox Series X and Series S - can next-gen sustain 60fps?

With PS5 and Xbox Series X in its hands, developer Gearbox's first port of call it seems is to give Borderlands 3 the n…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Kilau]

On paper, my gaming laptop is better but it really depends on the game and type of game. If Forza Horizon 5 doesn't have a decent 60fps mode on series X I may have to play on my laptop. DLSS support also makes a huge difference.

 

[Knightime_X]

Yes, CPU wise.
Pretty sure a Ryzen 7 3800x is stronger than what's inside XSX or PS5.

GPU wise, no. At least for the moment.
Waiting for RTX 4k series to drop then it'll outright smoke Ps5 and Series X.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

A little dark but pix from the other day playing Psychonauts 2

 

[Caio]

No, I have a ThinkPad L390 to work. The only thing that can move me towards PC gaming is a RTX 4090.

 

[ChrisB]

Yep;

3600x
RX 6800 XT
16GB Bdie
1TB Saberent Plus

“Upgrading” to a 59xx when the chance arises though I have been holding out on the revision news.

 

[Faithless83]

Many cards from the beginning of the last gen were still able to run late ps4 Xone games at similar or better quality/performance than those base consoles.
I don't think it'll be any different for this gen.

A PC with same specs as a PS4? No they're not.
Show me a PC from 2013 that has the same specs as a PS4 running late gen stuff.
If we consider the RAM alone it couldn't be done.

If it was possible, everyone would be still rocking their 2013 PCs until last year.

 

[Arioco]

Then why is DF telling me that Borderlands 3 targets a native 1080p@120hz?

"The big advantage in owning PS5 and Series X is the ability to leverage a high refresh rate display. To summarise, the resolution mode runs at 4K60fps on each, but the performance mode changes the console output to 120Hz - in this case targeting a native 1080p. This uses DRS as well to try and lock to 120fps and the lowest value I've caught is 1440x810 in cutscenes."

Borderlands 3 tested on PS5, Xbox Series X and Series S - can next-gen sustain 60fps?

With PS5 and Xbox Series X in its hands, developer Gearbox's first port of call it seems is to give Borderlands 3 the n…

www.eurogamer.net

I wasn't talking about Borderlands 3, but DMC V, where a 1060 crushed the PS5 according to Gamer Nexus.


You can see all the modes available on PS5 here. Which ones can drop anywhere near 30 fps?

Normal Mode: The standard way to play Devil May Cry on both PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X systems is to use the normal mode, which operates with native resolution rendering at full HD - 3840x2160. It's an impressive boost over PS4 Pro, which used image reconstruction techniques to hit 1800p, with Xbox One X also using reconstruction to target 4K. Gameplay on the new systems is mostly at 60fps or higher, but there can be drops below - and cutscenes are especially impacted. In normal mode, Xbox Series X is consistently faster than PlayStation 5 but only in single digit percentage terms - around eight per cent.


High Frame-Rate Mode: This mode retains a 3840x2160 target resolution, but achieves it using image reconstruction techniques - effectively smart upscaling from a smaller native resolution. In fairness, Capcom's solution here is excellent and the increase to frame-rate is substantial. Across a range of content tested in this mode, both consoles delivered a 100fps average. However, the average does not tell the real story. Xbox retains an advantage in cutscenes and in some gameplay content, but again, the boost is typically small. Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent that Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.

Ray Tracing Performance Mode: This runs at native 1080p on both platforms, with full ray traced reflections plus frustrum-aligned voxel fog, which transforms the lighting. Broadly speaking, dropping resolution allows RT to run at similar frame-rates to the normal mode, albeit with a big resolution penalty. In matched like-for-like content such as cutscenes, Xbox Series X enjoys a very small performance advantage - but this seems to be even lower than it was in the normal mode. And again, perhaps it's down to the dynamic nature of gameplay where like-for-like, pixel-for-pixel matched content is not possible, but there do seem to be some areas where PlayStation 5 enjoys its own tiny lead. The overall takeaway here is that both systems are essentially like-for-like.

Ray Tracing Quality Mode: This ramps resolution back up to 3840x2160, but it's using the same image reconstruction technique used in the high frame-rate mode in order to boost performance. The impact of RT is pretty large, however, and much of the experience plays out beneath 60 frames per second. On paper, Xbox has a lead - but it is vanishingly small - and in matched like-for-like content, PS5 actually manages to match Xbox performance for much of the duration, while in other scenes it's just 2-3fps behind. However, while difficult to pinpoint exactly owing to the lack of exact like-for-like gameplay, Xbox's gameplay performance advantage seems to open up here

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-devil-may-cry-5-ps5-xbox-series-x-comparison


Which mode did you say Gamer Nexus was using to test PS5?

 

[Klik]

PS5/Xbox Series X are more powerful than 95% of gaming PC out there. That is a fact.

85% people run 6 core or less (with many still running old 8 core fx 8350 which is much worse than Ryzen)

6% people have GPU faster than RTX 2070

Not many people have SSD higher than 5gb/sec

Compared to how PS4 was shit when it was released(even low-mid range pc could beat it) , this time its a totally different story.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

 

[M1chl]

R9 3900x
64GB DDR4-3600
4 TB of NvME
RTX 3090

So, yes.

 

[omegasc]

Ryzen 5700X + RTX 3080, 32GB RAM

 

[Topher]

I wasn't talking about Borderlands 3, but DMC V, where a 1060 crushed the PS5 according to Gamer Nexus.


You can see all the modes available on PS5 here. Which ones can drop anywhere near 30 fps?

Who said anything about 30fps? This was about GN comparing PC to PS5 at 120fps? Borderlands 3 was one of the games compared. It is not uncommon at all for different hardware to perform differently on different games. Like I said, he clearly showed PS5 outperforming a GTX 1080. If you want to focus on one game and one card then you are not looking at the entire analysis at all.

 

[ethomaz]

Mine are not even close.
Even so they are very high specs machines for work... good processor, a lot of RAM, SSD but lacking GPU (using Intel IGP is enough).
BTW all my PCs are actually notebooks... I don't have a tower PC since 2004 I believe.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Cpu definitely faster, much more ram, gpu definitely slower.

 

[Arioco]

Who said anything about 30fps? This was about GN comparing PC to PS5 at 120fps? Borderlands 3 was one of the games compared. It is not uncommon at all for different hardware to perform differently on different games. Like I said, he clearly showed PS5 outperforming a GTX 1080. If you want to focus on one game and one card then you are not looking at the entire analysis at all.

Dude, did you at least watch the video?

According to GN PS5 dips to 34 fps. That's why I asked you (and ask you again) which mode of all available on PS5 you think he's using to make the comparison. I quoted all the modes according to DF in my previous message.

 

[Guilty_AI]

A PC with same specs as a PS4? No they're not.
Show me a PC from 2013 that has the same specs as a PS4 running late gen stuff.
If we consider the RAM alone it couldn't be done.

Dunno what the "same specs" are since there's usually no perfect equivalent, but heres a card from before the ps4 came out running rdr2 at settings even higher than the consoles at 30 fps.

If it was possible, everyone would be still rocking their 2013 PCs until last year.

They aren't because, if you have the money, there's no reason not to upgrade to get those higher settings and extra fps.

 

[existensmaximum]

What does even "powerful" mean in this context?

 

[OverHeat]

About 3x 10900KF, 3090

 

[alabtrosMyster]

My PC is an i5 6600K + GTX 1060, so yes, my PS5 is way more powerful (unless you are Gamer Nexus, whose GTX 1060 is way more powerful than a PS5 for reasons I still don't even fathom ).

They tricked the measurements by unlocking the framerate and lowering the details on the PC for reasons... They made digital foundry look good on this one.

My living room PC has an old core i7 with a 1660 Super and it's not even close to the PS5.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

PC isn't simply about graphics you know, that's just shallow.

 

[Topher]

Dude, did you at least watch the video?

According to GN PS5 dips to 34 fps. That's why I asked you (and ask you again) which mode of all available on PS5 you think he's using to make the comparison. I quoted all the modes according to DF in my previous message.

Dude.....GN spent an entire segment discussing the 1% lows, something DF doesn't include in their analysis at all.

Timestamped


So explain how his analysis wrong.

 

[Faithless83]

Dunno what the "same specs" are since there's usually no perfect equivalent, but heres a card from before the ps4 came out running rdr2 at settings even higher than the consoles at 30 fps.

Are you that dense? How is this equivalent of a PS4 (From your video description):
- Proc R5 1600 OC @3,80 Ghz
- Mobo Asrock AB350M-HDV
- HSF AMD Stock Cooler
- Ram GSkill Trident Z 2x4 Gb DDR4 3200Mhz CL16
- GPU DA Palit Jetstream GTX 780 Ti 3Gb 384Bit DDR5 (stock/default)
- SSD Adata 120Gb (for OS)
- HDD Seagate 1Tb 7200rpm (for main game)
- PSU Topower 600W 80+ bronze


The point is, consoles are optimized and coded to the metal. If you get a similar spec PS5 PC now, it will not be running the same games as a PS5 4 years from now.

I've used last gen as an example, and you are cherry picking GPUs and saying "see it's possible" on a CPU intense game.

 

[nkarafo]

No because i can't buy a new graphics card anymore.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Nividia GTX 1080 FE. Still going stronk. I picked it up in the store on a shelf at Bestbuy when it was released. Think that will ever happen again? Will the days of going to a box store and getting electronics ever come back?

 

[Darius87]

Dude.....GN spent an entire segment discussing the 1% lows, something DF doesn't include in their analysis at all.

Timestamped


So explain how his analysis wrong.

average resolution on PS5 is higher then 1080p and 3300x is newer ryzen version with unified L3 and better single core perf then PS5 CPU, core amount doesn't matter in this case nexus said DMC uses couples of cores at the time, so it's clealry made this setup deliberately to compare with PS5, if he can do this then i'm not sure if all settings are equal on both platforms like he says.

 

[ClosBSAS]

lol yes..it destroys both of them....in every single way.

 

[Guilty_AI]

The point is, consoles are optimized and coded to the metal. If you get a similar spec PS5 PC now, it will not be running the same games as a PS5 4 years from now.

we were talking about current hardware and now you're talking about hardware with """similar""" specs to the ps5, ok.

I suppose i'm the dumb one for trying to argue with unreasonable people

 

[Trogdor1123]

3700x
5700xt
16 gigs of pc-3200
1 TB nvme drive

So... I don't think so, probably comparable? Maybe?

 

[Arioco]

So explain how his analysis wrong.

Very easy.

It says: PS5 vs. PC Performance. DMC V High Framerate mode/No RT/PC Settings Matched. Gamernexus.


You read that, right? It's on the chart. Well, funny thing is PS5 doesn't have a 1080p mode other than the RT Performance Mode, which of course uses RT, and even this mode NEVER drops anywhere near 30 fps.

He's using either the regular 4K mode (my bet) or the RT normal mode. In any case putting it up against a RTX 1060 running at 1080p is just lunacy.

Did I make myself clear this time? Honestly I don't think it's that hard to understand why that comparison is total bullshit, and if you didn't understand by now it's probably because you don't want to, so you won't. Nothing I can do about that, sorry.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Visual performance is pretty far down the list of why I choose a platform. But no, I would have to upgrade almost everything.

 

[jeffyjaixx]

9700k, 1080ti, 32gb DDR4-3000 ram . I'd say it's similar in terms of power but my PS5 can do raytracing and will have much better optimization in the games.

 

[Arioco]

They tricked the measurements by unlocking the framerate and lowering the details on the PC for reasons... They made digital foundry look good on this one.

My living room PC has an old core i7 with a 1660 Super and it's not even close to the PS5.

It was just and extremely stupid comparison, I still don't get how some people can defend that crap.

I mean, as I said I own a PS5 and a GTX 1060 (6GB, same as Gamer Nexus) and I don't need anyone to tell me how they both perform with that game, cause it happens that I own the game for both OC and PS5 too. It's not even close, the PS5 absolutely crushed my 1060 in every possible mode (and I'm not taking into account the RT modes since the 1060 doesn't support RT). How can Gamer Nexus say he's comparing at 1080p with no RT when PS5 does NOT have a 1080p mode with no RT? Can't they see something is wrong?

Seriously, who can buy that shit?

 

[Windle Poons]

It would have been my custom 3080 / 5900 build that I cancelled as I ordered February for May, which slipped to July which slipped to September before I got pissed off and cancelled it.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

i7 7700k, 32gb ram and a rtx2080. Probably about the same.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Way more powerful (9900K, 32GB RAM, RTX 3080)

..But I can guarantee that I'll never see anything exclusive to my PC, that will visually look better than any of the PS5's first party studio games over the next few years.

 

[JackMcGunns]

I went XBO/PS4, then upgraded PC to something more powerful, then just got a Series X (PS5 pending, can't find) next will upgrade PC down the road (If we can get parts reasonably)

 

[prinz_valium]

Ryzen 1600x, GTX 1070, 16GB Ram, 256GB NVMe PCIe3.0 SSD.


So sadly not even close to being as powerful as the Series X.

 

[Esppiral]

Mine is between ps4 pro and Xbox One X in terms of gpu power, my CPU destroys those shitty Jaguars though

 

[alienator]

i7, 16gb, 3070 pc here.

but i work from home as a graphic guy so i spend all day behind it.

Then after work its ps5 time. i hardly game on my pc.

 

[Bryank75]

PC is really awful, how could it ever compare?

Windows, restarts, updates, 2 Ram pools, pop-ups, too many launchers and lets face it most PC gamers just have Steam launcher open and are chatting in Discord.

You know that is the savage truth.

Pentium 3 for life! Windows 95 was the best one.

 

[Elbereth]

Of course it is….











Not

#980Ti_Gang

 

[GymWolf]

Nah, but really no.

 

[Akuji]

Currently rocking a 3900x with 32gb 3200mhz with a 3070ti so yeah right now more Powerfull. But ordered a Laptop with a 5900hs 32gb 3200mhz and a 6800m which i will switch to when it Arrives in 1-2 months. Should also outperform a next gen console in terms of specs but in reality we will see.

Consoles are great this time. Love my ps5 the Controller makes it feel so quality