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[orthodoxy1095]

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They have to do the "I am your father" call back from Luke to Rey. They have to.

I can't think of any way they could pull this off without it being eyeroll inducing and making me want to leave the theater.

 

[jesu]

doesn't stop it, but it makes it implausible. Up until his trainees were killed there would have been no reason for luke to hide a daughter, or just not mention he had one, or a wife, or a companion. Especially since he was still close to leia and han up until that point.

Luke had close friends and family and the resistance had lots of resources. Even after his mental breakdown he made sure there was still a map to where he could be found in an uncharted region of the galaxy when the time was right to do so.

But even though he was lucid enough to do all that, he leaves NO information to anyone that he stuck his only child in the desert with Unkar Plutt? No instructions that "hey, there's probably a kid starving out there that might be useful that I left with a piece of shit?"

there's just no way to make that one work.

How do you know he never mentioned it?
Of course he would have mentioned it.

 

[Manmademan]

How do you know he never mentioned it?
Of course he would have mentioned it.

Its obvious he didn't mention it because Leia and her resistance didn't know anything.
Han and Chewie didn't know anything about her- Hell, Han didn't know where the Falcon was and it was on the same planet she was. That was just a happy accident they met at all.
Maz led a resistance outpost for 1000 years and didn't know anything about her.
Poe Dameron went to Jakku to talk to Lor San Tekka who had the final part of the map with Luke's location on the SAME planet Rey was- but neither of them knew anything about her either. Poe would have left her behind permanently and she would never have been found if not for stormtroopers making an unlucky shot on an X-wing.
R2 had a map to luke, but no information about a missing kid.
Kylo Ren and the first order thought she was just some scavenger. THEY didn't know anything about luke having a daughter.

Who would he have told? Literally anyone in a position to know anything knew nothing at all.
If she WAS his kid there are plenty of people he could have told and SHOULD have told, otherwise Rey dies on a backwater desert planet in obscurity. The fact that no one has any idea means that she can't be his kid.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I can't think of any way they could pull this off without it being eyeroll inducing and making me want to leave the theater.

Double down on the eyeroll:

"I am your father."

"I know."

 

[jesu]

Its obvious he didn't mention it because Leia and her resistance didn't know anything.
Han and Chewie didn't know anything about her- Hell, Han didn't know where the Falcon was and it was on the same planet she was. That was just a happy accident they met at all.
Maz led a resistance outpost for 1000 years and didn't know anything about her.
R2 had a map to luke, but no information about a missing kid.
Kylo Ren and the first order thought she was just some scavenger. THEY didn't know anything about luke having a daughter.

Who would he have told? Literally anyone in a position to know anything knew nothing at all.
If she WAS his kid there are plenty of people he could have told and SHOULD have told, otherwise Rey dies on a backwater desert planet in obscurity. The fact that no one has any idea means that she can't be his kid.

They don't know it's Rey.
They know he has a daughter.

 

[Manmademan]

They don't know it's Rey.
They know he has a daughter.

where did you get the idea that anyone thinks luke has a daughter?
And they don't have to know "its Rey" to know that if he has a daughter that he left her on Jakku. No one has any idea, and no one is looking. She's not his.

 

[jesu]

where did you get the idea that anyone thinks luke has a daughter?
And they don't have to know "its Rey" to know that if he has a daughter that he left her on Jakku. No one has any idea, and no one is looking. She's not his.

If he has a daughter, people will know about it.
They just don't know it's Rey.

 

[Manmademan]

If he has a daughter, people will know about it.

I agree, which is why she can't be his. NO ONE gives any indication of knowing that luke has any children at all, let alone one that's missing. EVERYONE is looking for luke. NO ONE is looking for luke's child. NO ONE mentions a potential wife or companion that might know anything, living or dead. only luke disappearing and leaving a map.

She's not his.

 

[Ushojax]

I agree, which is why she can't be his. NO ONE gives any indication of knowing that luke has any children at all, let alone one that's missing. EVERYONE is looking for luke. NO ONE is looking for luke's child. NO ONE mentions a potential wife or companion that might know anything, living or dead. only luke disappearing and leaving a map.

She's not his.

Maybe Luke has told them not to tell her anything.

Why did Han offer her a job on the Falcon so quickly after meeting her? It seemed like he knew more than he was letting on.

 

[Manmademan]

Maybe Luke has told them not to tell her anything.

The point here is that no one seems to know she exists at all. If not for Poe Dameron being shot at on Jakku, Rey would never have been found at all, and likely died eventually due to hazards, thugs, etc.

All indications are that she had been living alone in a desert living as a scavenger for years at that point. Not telling her Luke is her father is one thing (as Obi Wan did with Luke re: Vader) but outright abandoning her as a child with no one having a clue where she was or bothering to look is something else. It just isn't feasible.

Why did Han offer her a job on the Falcon so quickly after meeting her? It seemed like he knew more than he was letting on.

Han mentioned the rest of his crew had been recently killed. (probably in the process of rounding up those things i can't remember the name of) At that point he only had Chewie, and as we found out his personal situation was rather dire and he was in need of allies. Rey was competent, likable, proved herself under pressure and likely saved his life. Why wouldn't he?

Edit: it's also worth mentioning that after meeting her and finding out she was taken, absolutely no one was concerned about rescuing her except for Finn. That's pretty damning.

 

[UntoldDreams]

Wait Wait...

After Luke see's his dad going all nuts and wrecking the universe.... Then he surely learns of the history and tragedy of his father and Padme having secret children breaking jedi order rules.

Would he really go and have kids breaking the rules just like "dear old dad who wrecked the galaxy?"

I mean if people are against Kenobi having kids because it breaks jedi training how in the universe is LUKE going to break that law knowing how it worked for his dad?

 

[shingi70]

Wait Wait...

After Luke see's his dad going all nuts and wrecking the universe.... Then he surely learns of the history and tragedy of his father and Padme having secret children breaking jedi order rules.

Would he really go and have kids breaking the rules just like "dear old dad who wrecked the galaxy?"

I mean if people are against Kenobi having kids because it breaks jedi training how in the universe is LUKE going to break that law knowing how it worked for his dad?

Bexuaee having Kids wasn't what wrecked his father, It's was the Jedi rather Dracaion and I'll sighted idea of locking away emotions. It's typically why their force abilites are dimisning in the PT.

 

[Ushojax]

The point here is that no one seems to know she exists at all. If not for Poe Dameron being shot at on Jakku, Rey would never have been found at all, and likely died eventually due to hazards, thugs, etc.

All indications are that she had been living alone in a desert living as a scavenger for years at that point. Not telling her Luke is her father is one thing (as Obi Wan did with Luke re: Vader) but outright abandoning her as a child with no one having a clue where she was or bothering to look is something else. It just isn't feasible.

We don't know enough about the timeline pre-TFA to say things aren't feasible. How long was Luke in exile? How long was he training Ben? How much did he tell Han and Leia about what he was doing? It could be that Luke kept Rey a secret and only told Leia the vaguest details before he went into exile. Maybe he just did not want her to be raised a Skywalker.

Wait Wait...

After Luke see's his dad going all nuts and wrecking the universe.... Then he surely learns of the history and tragedy of his father and Padme having secret children breaking jedi order rules.

Would he really go and have kids breaking the rules just like "dear old dad who wrecked the galaxy?"

I mean if people are against Kenobi having kids because it breaks jedi training how in the universe is LUKE going to break that law knowing how it worked for his dad?

Those Jedi rules were stupid, that was the whole point. If those rules didn't exist, the Jedi would not have been destroyed. The only reason the Emperor is defeated is because of the bond between father and son, a bond the old Jedi did not believe in. Luke wouldn't give a shit about the old rules, he's trying to start a new, better Jedi order, not one bound to the old mistakes.

 

[Manmademan]

We don't know enough about the timeline pre-TFA to say things aren't feasible. How long was Luke in exile? How long was he training Ben? How much did he tell Han and Leia about what he was doing? It could be that Luke kept Rey a secret and only told Leia the vaguest details before he went into exile. Maybe he just did not want her to be raised a Skywalker.

We know enough about some things. we know luke went into exile after Kylo killed his trainees. we can see kylo doing this in a flashback, at the EARLIEST he's a teenager or a young man when this happens. Kylo didn't go crazy as a toddler. At the absolute latest this is 10 to 15 years (assuming Kylo is intended to be as old as his actor is). Rey is supposedly 19, if wikis and ancillary materials are to be believed. She would have been a young child or adolescent by the time luke decided to exile himself, not an infant.

We know he told Han and Leia he was training Jedis, and he was close enough to them that they trusted him to raise a child that they were struggling to deal with.

But to buy the "Luke is the father" theory, we need to believe that:

1.) Leia and Han trusted Luke enough to have them raise their child in a time of difficulty, but Luke didn't trust his twin sister and brother in law enough to tell them he even HAD a child

2.) Luke would randomly leave this child on a desert planet after a breakdown, go through the trouble of making a map to where people can find him in an uncharted region of the galaxy, but leave no indication that a child exists at all, what gender it is, who he left it with, or that the child MAY be in danger on a desert planet full of thugs and scavengers. We also have to buy that "being raised as a skywalker" is a worse fate in his mind than "being raised as slave labor by scavengers and Unkar Plutt".

It's not just implausible, it's nonsensical. It's REALLY tough to make this one work. We have to believe here that luke is surrounded by people that love and trust him that he's suspicious of and trusts less than random desert raiders.

Bexuaee having Kids wasn't what wrecked his father, It's was the Jedi rather Dracaion and I'll sighted idea of locking away emotions. It's typically why their force abilites are dimisning in the PT.

were they diminishing? Because Windu, Obi-Wan, and Yoda seemed to be at least as powerful as the sith they fought.

 

[Cth]

Simple.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka

He worked with Luke and gave him info on the first Jedi Temple. He knows Kylo. There's a reason for that whole intro.. Not just to show Finn defecting.

Let's say Luke placed Rey in Lor's care while he went to investigate the temple. Luke goes nuts while investigating. Only Lor knows where Luke went. He has the map. He knows people are after him to get Luke. He even apologizes and says this will begin to make things right.

What need to be set right? He feared for his life and hid Rey (Luke's kid) after sending Luke on a mission that lost him to the galaxy.

There's a precedent/echo of Jedi's making bad decisions of hiding kids and trying to hide.

Luke is off the hook for being dead beat.. Lor serves a purpose and it adds some tragedy to that whole scene.

Much better then Obi Wan IMO.

 

[UntoldDreams]

We don't know enough about the timeline pre-TFA to say things aren't feasible. How long was Luke in exile? How long was he training Ben? How much did he tell Han and Leia about what he was doing? It could be that Luke kept Rey a secret and only told Leia the vaguest details before he went into exile. Maybe he just did not want her to be raised a Skywalker.

Those Jedi rules were stupid, that was the whole point. If those rules didn't exist, the Jedi would not have been destroyed. The only reason the Emperor is defeated is because of the bond between father and son, a bond the old Jedi did not believe in. Luke wouldn't give a shit about the old rules, he's trying to start a new, better Jedi order, not one bound to the old mistakes.

Bexuaee having Kids wasn't what wrecked his father, It's was the Jedi rather Dracaion and I'll sighted idea of locking away emotions. It's typically why their force abilites are dimisning in the PT.

Then it just as easily could be Kenobi's grandkid if we accept that.
I'd be fine with Kenobi but not feeling the Luke. He is the most PUBLIC FIGURE in the galaxy as the last of the (public facing) Jedi. How could he have a kid (edit) NO ONE knows about even his sister? Did the new jedi order have a secretary which was in his school Dean's office?

 

[Manmademan]

Simple.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka

He worked with Luke and gave him info on the first Jedi Temple. He knows Kylo. There's a reason for that whole intro.. Not just to show Finn defecting.

Let's say Luke placed Rey in Lor's care while he went to investigate the temple. Luke goes nuts while investigating. Only Lor knows where Luke went. He has the map. He knows people are after him to get Luke. He even apologizes and says this will begin to make things right.

What need to be set right? He feared for his life and hid Rey (Luke's kid) after sending Luke on a mission that lost him to the galaxy.

There's a precedent/echo of Jedi's making bad decisions of hiding kids and trying to hide.

Luke is off the hook for being dead beat.. Lor serves a purpose and it adds some tragedy to that whole scene.

Much better then Obi Wan IMO.

For this to be plausible, we need to explain away Han, Leia, the entire resistance, and the first order being completely ignorant that Luke has a kid at all. As I mentioned before it doesn't make a lot of sense- There's no REASON for luke to have had to "hide" the existence of a child before he decided to go into exile, and Rey is old enough that she would have been between 3 and 7 (roughly) when that happened- BEFORE investigating the temple.

So the timeline would be

Leia and Han send Kylo to be raised by luke
Luke has a child, doesn't bother to mention it or who the mother is to friends and family, hides both of these things and only tells Lor San Tekka. Goes back to training jedi.
Kylo breaks bad, Luke sends himself into exile, makes a map where he can be found, gives it to R2. Doesn't bother telling anyone else he has a secret kid or where she is.
Lor San Tekka sits on Jakku with Rey, doesn't bother to watch over her, decides she'll be fine with raiders and scavengers.

????

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

It's actually kind of ridiculous how one dimensional everyone is being about this. Where in the movie was it definitively confirmed that Rey is even a woman? Also someone please point me to the star wars lore that says every single person in the universe needs to have traditional parents in order to be conceived. Can Aliens be Jedis?

Personally I think the evidence points toward Kylo being the father which would lead to some interesting confrontations once its revealed.

 

[UntoldDreams]

For this to be plausible, we need to explain away Luke, Leia, the entire resistance, and the first order being completely ignorant that Luke has a kid at all. As I mentioned before it doesn't make a lot of sense- There's no REASON for luke to have had to "hide" the existence of a child before he decided to go into exile, and Rey is old enough that she would have been between 3 and 7 (roughly) when that happened- BEFORE investigating the temple.

So the timeline would be

Leia and Han send Kylo to be raised by luke
Luke has a child, doesn't bother to mention it to friends and family, hides it and only tells Lor San Tekka. Goes back to training jedi.
Kylo breaks bad, Luke sends himself into exile, makes a map where he can be found, gives it to R2. Doesn't bother telling anyone else he has a secret kid or where she is.
Lor San Tekka sits on Jakku with Rey, doesn't bother to watch over her, decides she'll be fine with raiders.

????

I agree... the only way this makes some credible sense without crazy story "gymnastics" is if she is not Luke's kid.

It would make fine poetic sense that Luke would be teaching his "old teacher's" family line kid somehow. Whether granddaughter or whatever but for Luke to be her dad seems like it would be crazy story work for little to no gain.

 

[UntoldDreams]

It's actually kind of ridiculous how one dimensional everyone is being about this. Where in the movie was it definitively confirmed that Rey is even a woman? Also someone please point me to the star wars lore that says every single person in the universe needs to have traditional parents in order to be conceived. Can Aliens be Jedis?

Personally I think the evidence points toward Kylo being the father which would lead to some interesting confrontations once its revealed.

WTF dude... Are you saying Rey is not a woman?

 

[Bad_Boy]

Obi rey kenobi

 

[Manmademan]

It's actually kind of ridiculous how one dimensional everyone is being about this. Where in the movie was it definitively confirmed that Rey is even a woman? Also someone please point me to the star wars lore that says every single person in the universe needs to have traditional parents in order to be conceived. Can Aliens be Jedis?

Personally I think the evidence points toward Kylo being the father which would lead to some interesting confrontations once its revealed.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

WTF dude... Are you saying Rey is not a woman?

She looks like one but she could be an alien. Do alien's have regular genders?

Anyway, my point is Rey's father is whoever it's going to be when JJ actually shoots the scene where it's revealed. He's vince mcmahonning this on the fly.

 

[Manmademan]

She looks like one but she could be an alien. Do alien's have regular genders?

Anyway, my point is Rey's father is whoever it's going to be when JJ actually shoots the scene where it's revealed. He's vince mcmahonning this on the fly.

Abrams isn't directing episode 8 or 9. he's one and done.

Yes, aliens have genders, but so far in star wars (outside of maybe crazy EU material which isn't valid) prosthetics etc are used to indicate "alien" or "not alien." If it looks human, it's human as far as I know.

 

[jesu]

For this to be plausible, we need to explain away Han, Leia, the entire resistance, and the first order being completely ignorant that Luke has a kid at all. As I mentioned before it doesn't make a lot of sense- There's no REASON for luke to have had to "hide" the existence of a child before he decided to go into exile, and Rey is old enough that she would have been between 3 and 7 (roughly) when that happened- BEFORE investigating the temple.

So the timeline would be

Leia and Han send Kylo to be raised by luke
Luke has a child, doesn't bother to mention it or who the mother is to friends and family, hides both of these things and only tells Lor San Tekka. Goes back to training jedi.
Kylo breaks bad, Luke sends himself into exile, makes a map where he can be found, gives it to R2. Doesn't bother telling anyone else he has a secret kid or where she is.
Lor San Tekka sits on Jakku with Rey, doesn't bother to watch over her, decides she'll be fine with raiders and scavengers.

????

you don't know that he never mentioned his daughter.

 

[Manmademan]

you don't know that he never mentioned his daughter.

Let it go man. it's been covered. he didn't.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Double down on the eyeroll:

"I am your father."

"I know."

Forget walking out of the theater, they'd throw me out for laughing so hard.

 

[jesu]

Let it go man. it's been covered. he didn't.

lol I'll just bookmark this until next year and we find out who Rey's dad is.

 

[Manmademan]

lol I'll just bookmark this until next year and we find out who Rey's dad is.

have fun

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Luke: I am your father

Rey: My mother...

Luke: There was no mother

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Abrams isn't directing episode 8 or 9. he's one and done.

replace shooting that scene with final re-write of that scene in that case

 

[t-storm]

Rey isn't Luke's daughter either. Luke's life was perfectly public until Kylo Ren broke bad and killed his jedi trainees. He has a sister, brother in law, close friends, etc- you think he would mention getting married, having a child, having a lover or close companion especially since he was close enough to Leia and Han to take their child in and train him. Kylo seems to have gone bad in his teens or so, so Rey would have been an adolescent or preteen by then and her existence known by friends and family. It just doesn't work here.

have fun

You sure do assume a lot of things in your posts.

Can't wait 'til you eat it!

 

[Manmademan]

replace shooting that scene with final re-write of that scene in that case

why would abrams have any say over it? Disney owns the franchise, it's their baby not JJ's.

You sure do assume a lot of things in your posts.

Can't wait 'til you eat it!

are you going to actually present a plausible case for how Luke could or would drop a secret baby on a desert planet by herself at the age of 4? or are you just going to drive by shitpost?
Personally I think Rey is a Kenobi. Could I be wrong? sure. could be someone else, or someone random.

It is ABSOLUTELY NOT Luke's Kid. there's no way for that storyline to make any sense, and Disney is putting some effort into this franchise. Maybe if Lucas was still in charge...

 

[jesu]

There is no way Darth Vadar can be Lukes dad, he never told anyone he had a son.

 

[phanphare]

finished this movie yesterday. Somehow made it through without being spoiled, with the exception of

Spoiler

Han solo dies

because some jackass made a throwaway comment or meme somewhere.

My first thoughts as soon as the movie ended about this was "That's obi-wan's granddaughter."

nothing else makes a lick of sense.

Rey can't be Leia and Han's daughter. Those two have one child that they struggled raising and sent to luke because of it. At no point did either of them mention having a second child despite meeting Rey multiple times, and there's not a whole lot of reason for them to have one in secret somewhere and stash her randomly in the desert of a planet they'd never been to. Han didn't even know where the falcon was, it had been stolen multiple times.

Rey isn't Luke's daughter either. Luke's life was perfectly public until Kylo Ren broke bad and killed his jedi trainees. He has a sister, brother in law, close friends, etc- you think he would mention getting married, having a child, having a lover or close companion especially since he was close enough to Leia and Han to take their child in and train him. Kylo seems to have gone bad in his teens or so, so Rey would have been an adolescent or preteen by then and her existence known by friends and family. It just doesn't work here.

Kenobi DOES work because there's a massive amount of time between the end of episode III and ANH where Jedi are pretty much extinct, he goes underground, sheds his old identity (stops calling himself 'obi wan' and goes to 'ben') and has a life as an ordinary citizen. Taking a lover, having children, and those children being elsewhere in the galaxy during IV-VI and told to stay out of empire business for their own good (because the empire is still hunting down force sensitives) is pretty plausible. He was still in hiding up until ANH under an assumed name and died a few days to weeks after going back to his old identity as a jedi. Could Rey be some random individual? yeah, but she's unusually strong in the force- stronger than Kylo is even without training and we know the force tends to run through family bloodlines. Who's the only jedi we know of that was more powerful than Anakin was in his prime? Obi Wan.

cut and dry for me.

yep

it also makes a lot of moments from TFA have more meaning

like rey handing luke anakin's saber (ANH parallel to obi wan doing the same), her stealthing around starkiller base (ANH parallel to obi wan stealthing around the deathstar), her using a jedi mind trick on a storm trooper, rey kenobi fighting ben skywalker at the end (ANH parallel to obi wan kenobi fighting anakin skywalker at the end of that movie)

hell it even makes some little things better like rey's first dialogue in the movie being in an alien tongue much like obi wan's first dialogue in ANH. and her accent of course.

plus I like the idea of obi wan not fully relying on another skywalker after what happened to anakin

 

[Cth]

For this to be plausible, we need to explain away Han, Leia, the entire resistance, and the first order being completely ignorant that Luke has a kid at all. As I mentioned before it doesn't make a lot of sense- There's no REASON for luke to have had to "hide" the existence of a child before he decided to go into exile, and Rey is old enough that she would have been between 3 and 7 (roughly) when that happened- BEFORE investigating the temple.

So the timeline would be

Leia and Han send Kylo to be raised by luke
Luke has a child, doesn't bother to mention it or who the mother is to friends and family, hides both of these things and only tells Lor San Tekka. Goes back to training jedi.
Kylo breaks bad, Luke sends himself into exile, makes a map where he can be found, gives it to R2. Doesn't bother telling anyone else he has a secret kid or where she is.
Lor San Tekka sits on Jakku with Rey, doesn't bother to watch over her, decides she'll be fine with raiders and scavengers.

????

Again, easy.

Leia and Han are having lots of problems and are self absorbed due to Ben's issues. Leia is obsessed with stomping out the Empires remnants. Han doesn't know how to handle Ben.

If Han and Leia are tightly knit and good parents by all means they'd be checking in on Ben and Luke.

Face it, people can face issues that can consume their lives and trump all else. The film clearly showed they had problems. Hell some people can barely deal their kids going fast of to college.. Now imagine a whole other planet.

Leia has adopted parents who likely sent her off everywhere resulting in her being hands free with Ben. Who knows what kind of family Han grew up with. The point being I don't see any evidence of Han and Leia being over protective parents.

Your whole argument hinges on Leia and Han checking in and finding out about Luke having a kid.

Hell, Luke may not even be aware he has a kid.

 

[t-storm]

There is no way Darth Vadar can be Lukes dad, he never told anyone he had a son.

 

[VistraNorrez]

For this to be plausible, we need to explain away Han, Leia, the entire resistance, and the first order being completely ignorant that Luke has a kid at all. As I mentioned before it doesn't make a lot of sense- There's no REASON for luke to have had to "hide" the existence of a child before he decided to go into exile, and Rey is old enough that she would have been between 3 and 7 (roughly) when that happened- BEFORE investigating the temple.

So the timeline would be

Leia and Han send Kylo to be raised by luke
Luke has a child, doesn't bother to mention it or who the mother is to friends and family, hides both of these things and only tells Lor San Tekka. Goes back to training jedi.
Kylo breaks bad, Luke sends himself into exile, makes a map where he can be found, gives it to R2. Doesn't bother telling anyone else he has a secret kid or where she is.
Lor San Tekka sits on Jakku with Rey, doesn't bother to watch over her, decides she'll be fine with raiders and scavengers.

????

No one has to be ignorant that Luke has a kid, they just have to believe the kid no longer exists. Luke doesn't have to have anything to do with the disappearance of his child.

We know Kylo is 10-11 years older than Rey. If Rey is 5 or 6 when Kylo goes bad, then a 16-17 year old Kylo takes out Luke's trainees, that would include Luke's daughter (and possibly Luke's wife). Kylo, in a moment where the light side pulls at him, cannot bring himself to kill Rey. Instead he brings her to a remote desert planet and leaves her there. Using his Jedi mind powers to alter her memory to keep her from ever wanting to leave the planet. Maybe Luke knows she isn't dead. He can still feel her, but he can't locate her. He has Lor San Tekka look for her, gives Lor his location, with the hope that Rey can find Luke.

As for why Luke's daughter/family isn't mentioned by anyone, it's a difficult subject to bring up and there was really no time where it was appropriate. Han and Leia's conversation about Ben was already enough awkward exposition.

 

[phanphare]

There is no way Darth Vadar can be Lukes dad, he never told anyone he had a son.

difference: nobody came away from ANH thinking vader was the father. the reveal in Empire was a total surprise. that's why it worked so well.

luke being rey's dad seems to be a pretty common theory, some even think it's inevitable coming away from TFA

that leads me to believe it ain't happening. either that or there's something we're all not getting. as it stands right now if episode VIII revealed that luke is rey's father it'd be one of the most boring and predicted reveals of all time. I doubt that's how it's going to go down.

 

[Manmademan]

Again, easy.

Leia and Han are having lots of problems and are self absorbed due to Ben's issues. Leia is obsessed with stomping out the Empires remnants. Han doesn't know how to handle Ben.

If Han and Leia are tightly knit and good parents by all means they'd be checking in on Ben and Luke.

Face it, people can face issues that can consume their lives and trump all else. The film clearly showed they had problems. Hell some people can barely deal their kids going fast of to college.. Now imagine a whole other planet.

Leia has adopted parents who likely sent her off everywhere resulting in her being hands free with Ben. Who knows what kind of family Han grew up with. The point being I don't see any evidence of Han and Leia being over protective parents.

Your whole argument hinges on Leia and Han checking in and finding out about Luke having a kid.

Hell, Luke may not even be aware he has a kid.

No, my whole argument hinges on implausibility of the entire galaxy including Leia and Han being completely ignorant Luke has a child, then Luke deciding to drop this child off in the desert as a toddler while telling no one she exists.

Luke and Leia are twins and have a bond, both personally and through the force as of ROTJ. There's no reason to believe their relationship completely breaks down and he would go to hiding children from them.

Han and Leia also don't have a dysfunctional relationship- the movie makes it clear that their relationship broke down AFTER Kylo decided to go on a murder spree. At that point they both "went back to what they were good at- Leia being a General, Han a smuggler." Neither was involved with their previous occupations before this. Even after all of that, Leia forgave Han and they made amends, and Both were willing to forgive Kylo and just wanted him home. This is a family with a lot of love in it, despite the issues. Clearly Luke is aware of this and there's no reason to hide a secret family and secret babies from them in favor of desert raiders.

No one has to be ignorant that Luke has a kid, they just have to believe the kid no longer exists. Luke doesn't have to have anything to do with the disappearance of his child.

We know Kylo is 10-11 years older than Rey. If Rey is 5 or 6 when Kylo goes bad, then a 16-17 year old Kylo takes out Luke's trainees, that would include Luke's daughter (and possibly Luke's wife). Kylo, in a moment where the light side pulls at him, cannot bring himself to kill Rey. Instead he brings her to a remote desert planet and leaves her there. Using his Jedi mind powers to alter her memory to keep her from ever wanting to leave the planet. Maybe Luke knows she isn't dead. He can still feel her, but he can't locate her. He has Lor San Tekka look for her, gives Lor his location, with the hope that Rey can find Luke.

As for why Luke's daughter/family isn't mentioned by anyone, it's a difficult subject to bring up and there was really no time where it was appropriate. Han and Leia's conversation about Ben was already enough awkward exposition.

This..doesn't make sense.

Rey doesn't believe the jedi exist. She thinks they're fictional and has never been trained as a padawan/jedi/etc- at least as far as she knows.
Kylo's mental powers are nowhere near that strong in force awakens. I don't think I've seen any Jedi with mental powers that strong in the entire series, let alone one completely untrained rogue jedi teenager. Who would have trained him to wipe minds and put up mental blocks? Luke? Hell no.
Why would he not remember putting luke's daughter of all people on that planet? As far as he's concerned she's just some scavenger. A force sensitive of THAT potential power would go straight to the sith lord to be trained, not stuck in the desert. He offers to train her himself after all.
Luke isn't looking for anyone, he's in exile and willingly put himself there.
Lor San Tekka doesn't bother mentioning he's looking for anyone either. His big informational reveal is luke's location, not luke's daughter. and Rey has been on Jakku for like 15 years- it cant be that hard to find the lone human woman of about the right age given how few towns there likely are on that desert planet.

your theory is possible, but not really plausible.

 

[Ushay]

Rey, meesa yousa daddy

Holy shit, I legit laughed out loud.

 

[Jean Valjean]

She's clearly related to Luke. I'll be waiting the salty tears when that's revealed in Episode VIII.

 

[VistraNorrez]

No, my whole argument hinges on implausibility of the entire galaxy including Leia and Han being completely ignorant Luke has a child, then Luke deciding to drop this child off in the desert as a toddler while telling no one she exists.

Luke and Leia are twins and have a bond, both personally and through the force as of ROTJ. There's no reason to believe their relationship completely breaks down and he would go to hiding children from them.

Han and Leia also don't have a dysfunctional relationship- the movie makes it clear that their relationship broke down AFTER Kylo decided to go on a murder spree. At that point they both "went back to what they were good at- Leia being a General, Han a smuggler." Neither was involved with their previous occupations before this. Even after all of that, Leia forgave Han and they made amends, and Both were willing to forgive Kylo and just wanted him home. This is a family with a lot of love in it, despite the issues. Clearly Luke is aware of this and there's no reason to hide a secret family and secret babies from them in favor of desert raiders.

You've missed my theory twice it seems. I'll just quote myself:

No one has to be ignorant that Luke has a kid, they just have to believe the kid no longer exists. Luke doesn't have to have anything to do with the disappearance of his child.

We know Kylo is 10-11 years older than Rey. If Rey is 5 or 6 when Kylo goes bad, then a 16-17 year old Kylo takes out Luke's trainees, that would include Luke's daughter (and possibly Luke's wife). Kylo, in a moment where the light side pulls at him, cannot bring himself to kill Rey. Instead he brings her to a remote desert planet and leaves her there. Using his Jedi mind powers to alter her memory to keep her from ever wanting to leave the planet. Maybe Luke knows she isn't dead. He can still feel her, but he can't locate her. He has Lor San Tekka look for her, gives Lor his location, with the hope that Rey can find Luke.

As for why Luke's daughter/family isn't mentioned by anyone, it's a difficult subject to bring up and there was really no time where it was appropriate. Han and Leia's conversation about Ben was already enough awkward exposition.

 

[Cth]

No, my whole argument hinges on implausibility of the entire galaxy including Leia and Han being completely ignorant Luke has a child, then Luke deciding to drop this child off in the desert as a toddler while telling no one she exists.

Luke and Leia are twins and have a bond, both personally and through the force as of ROTJ. There's no reason to believe their relationship completely breaks down and he would go to hiding children from them.

Han and Leia also don't have a dysfunctional relationship- the movie makes it clear that their relationship broke down AFTER Kylo decided to go on a murder spree. At that point they both "went back to what they were good at- Leia being a General, Han a smuggler." Neither was involved with their previous occupations before this. Even after all of that, Leia forgave Han and they made amends, and Both were willing to forgive Kylo and just wanted him home. This is a family with a lot of love in it, despite the issues. Clearly Luke is aware of this and there's no reason to hide a secret family and secret babies from them in favor of desert raiders.

Who said Luke dropped her off?

And Leia was involved with the Resistance from day one. She didn't take time off. That's canon. At least get that part right.

 

[t-storm]

difference: nobody came away from ANH thinking vader was the father. the reveal in Empire was a total surprise. that's why it worked so well.

luke being rey's dad seems to be a pretty common theory, some even think it's inevitable coming away from TFA

that leads me to believe it ain't happening. either that or there's something we're all not getting. as it stands right now if episode VIII revealed that luke is rey's father it'd be one of the most boring and predicted reveals of all time. I doubt that's how it's going to go down.

Yes, maybe it's not supposed to be an earth shattering surprise? Perhaps for the characters but not for the audience. I, along with many other others thought the bread crumbs left throughout TFA for viewers were pretty obvious in telling that Luke/Rey and father/daughter.

 

[kame-sennin]

I really hope she's not related to anyone. They have done the secret child thing once, don't think they will get away with it next time.

"They have done the droid carrying secret plans thing once, don't think they will get away with it next time."

"They have done the kill the old mentor while young hero watches thing once, don't think they will get away with it next time."

"They have done the Death Star thing once (twice), don't think they will get away with it next time."

Rey is Luke's daughter. They made it obvious that Rey is Luke's daughter. They are not clever enough to write a twist that is actually surprising or worth the wait. Ray is Luke's daughter.

 

[t-storm]

She's clearly related to Luke. I'll be waiting the salty tears when that's revealed in Episode VIII.

I mean, really.

Would they really have had that prolonged emotional silent stare at each other at the end of TFA if she was Obi Wan's daughter or anyone else other than Luke's daughter?

With that build up. it would make no sense, whatsoever.

 

[007]

She's a Windu.

I'm banking on kylo ren being Luke's Son. You watch me be right in a few years.

 

[Manmademan]

Who said Luke dropped her off?

And Leia was involved with the Resistance from day one. She didn't take time off. That's canon. At least get that part right.

That was a quote from the movie, not an ass pull. Han says "I went back to what I was good at" regarding his return to smuggling and Leia says "we both did" or something similar.

the implication being that she wasn't as involved with the resistance before the family broke down any more than he was a smuggler. To what degree? who knows. but it's there.

edit: from the script:

HAN
We both had to deal with it in our
own way. I went back to the only
thing I was ever good at.

LEIA
We both did.

HAN
We lost our son, forever.

LEIA
No.

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens.html

 

[Vagabundo]

She's obviously Luke and Leia's kid. That's why she is so strong in the Force...