they did a bad job setting it up if it's not supposed to be a big surprise. they fanned the flames about her lineage multiple times in TFA ("where do you come from?" "[bb-8 banter]" "classified, really? me too. big secret"). I doubt they would've done that if the reveal is just going to be what everyone thinks it's going to be. if it's Luke there's something we're not getting, it won't just be him having a kid.
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J.J Abrams: "Rey's parents are not...[Possible Spoilers]"
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they did a bad job setting it up if it's not supposed to be a big surprise. they fanned the flames about her lineage multiple times in TFA ("where do you come from?" "[bb-8 banter]" "classified, really? me too. big secret"). I doubt they would've done that if the reveal is just going to be what everyone thinks it's going to be. if it's Luke there's something we're not getting, it won't just be him having a kid.
there's time in between episodes III and IV and a rumored obi wan movie with ewan mcgregor
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kame-sennin
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Ben Solo is turned to the darkside by Snoke. His mission is to lead the knights of Ren and kill all the jedi. He kills every student but his eight year-old cousin, Rey, because he is "called by the light" and "not strong enough". He takes her to Jakku so Snoke won't know about his weakness and wipes Ren's memory. That's why he flips out when he finds out a girl on Jakku got the droid. In TFA, Kylo completes his path to the darkside by resisting the light and killing a family member, his father Han Solo.
Yup. In classic JJ fashion, he withholds information that would really strengthen the film and its characters to create a bullshit unnecessary mystery. If we knew Rey's origin, the Ben/Han death scene wouldn't have fallen so flat.
The lesson to be taken from JJ's films are that obvious mysteries are obvious. They beat us over the head with Rey/Luke paralels through the whole movie; living on a desert planet, good pilot, good with machines, similar clothing, lightsaber passed from father to son now calls to her, her speeder is literally Luke's turned sideways.
They're not even trying to be subtle about it.
VistraNorrez
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The Episodes are supposed to stand on their own. Whatever the explanation for Rey's parentage, it has to be explained in the Episodes. That doesn't mean it can't be explained that Obi-wan is Rey's grandfather, just that they can't rely on a spinoff to explain it.
oh yeah, agreed. I think that the obi wan movie would be there to flesh out what is learned in the trilogy proper.
Bobby Roberts
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If George Lucas can pull Darth Vader and Leia Organa being Luke's dad and sister out of thin fucking air with no prior hinting or setup, months before filming started on the respective movies those revelations appeared in, I'm pretty sure the people writing these movies can figure out a way to make her related to anyone else in this galaxy in equally as plausible a manner.
I'm having a hard time believing there is a single retcon that can be applied to this series any bigger than "I am your father." A retcon that apparently necessitated three whole movies and a TV show to explain.
I'm having a hard time believing there is a single retcon that can be applied to this series any bigger than "I am your father." A retcon that apparently necessitated three whole movies and a TV show to explain.
UntoldDreams
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That would be very awkward to explain in a movie that Kylo killed Lukes family but decided to spare his daughter by leaving her on a remote planet where he promptly forgot she was Luke's daughter and force sensitive when she kicks his ass.
Is this like a Metal Gear Solid by Kojima game where Kylo hypnotized himself to forget this happened?
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Maybe I missed something but I thought the ending pretty much confirmed Luke is her dad?
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kame-sennin
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Have you seen The Force Awakens?
Kylo reacts pretty strongly when he first hears about Rey. He didn't forget about her, he's trying to cover for his fuck up.
JJ's twists are so obvious, people end up concocting absurd theories.
WadiumArcadium
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Some scavenger girl's helped the droid he needs escape. He was pissed off but I don't think there was any sense of recognition there.
"The girl I've heard so much about..." sounds like his first time meeting her.
Vincent Alexander
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For me, I'm not interested in a twist. I'd rather her parents be well-thought, sensible, and the moment of reveal be emotional.That's all I want. If it can be a twist also, that'd be nice. But in the end, I just want it to be good. No twist needed.
VistraNorrez
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People look pretty different from age 6 to 20. But who's to say he doesn't recognize her? Maybe he didn't want to admit it to himself. I'm sure Snoke wouldn't be too happy to hear he failed at killing the offspring of Skywalker.
The OT had the very awkward job of explaining how Anakin was actually Vader after Obi-Wan originally said Vader killed Luke's father. A quiet scene between mentor and apprentice is all one needs to explain pretty much anything in Star Wars.
There will without a doubt be a scene where Luke explains what exactly happened when Kylo and the Knights of Ren wiped out Luke's school. This could easily be where Luke explains what happened to his family. Think of the scene where Luke reveals to Leia she is his sister. I don't think it's a coincidence they used that line in the teaser.
that's all well and good but TFA seems to set up her parents as a surprise reveal. I don't necessarily need a twist either but like I said before TFA fans the flames multiple times during the movie.
Bobby Roberts
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A lot of things people call "twists" aren't really twists, either. The terms "revelation" and "twist" get used interchangeably quite a bit, when they're not necessarily synonymous. Sometimes the revelation is itself a twist, but twists have to make you re-examine everything you thought you knew - their entire reason for existing is to make you aware of a long-running misdirection that had been going on throughout the story up until that moment.
Many "twists" as people describe them don't do that at all. They just reveal new information. No reframing of previous elements, no misdirection pointed out. Just a new (dramatic) plot point on the way forward.
Many "twists" as people describe them don't do that at all. They just reveal new information. No reframing of previous elements, no misdirection pointed out. Just a new (dramatic) plot point on the way forward.
Manmademan
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not just "A" movie, current rumors have a trilogy planned. Disney clearly is not done with the Kenobi character.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-obi-wan-kenobi-movie-rumors-have-grown-into-a-whole-1751728138
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ewan-McGregor-Being-Courted-Obi-Wan-Kenobi-Trilogy-71818.html
oh shit
Manmademan
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I was thinking of the kenobi movie when Rey being his granddaughter occurred to me yesterday. I didn't realize they were going to make a new trilogy with him.
Clearly, Obi Wan wasn't "doing nothing on tattooine" between episodes III and IV.
would be a cool idea too. just like the original trilogy and prequel trilogy we'd get the story of the offspring first then the story of the (grand)parent and how it got to that point.
kame-sennin
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He destroys a computer console when he hears about it. And as for what he says, he doesn't want anyone to find out who she is or that he spared her life. That includes Rey herself. "You're afraid".
he destroys the computer console before learning about the girl. after destroying it while the other dude flinches kylo asks, "anything else?" and then the other guy tells him about the rey.
A Skywalker can be anyone. Even a young scavenger doing something as simple and reassuring as fixing a little droid's antenna to let it know the world hadn't ended.
QuantumZebra
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Kylo straight up chokes the life out of the guy who reported "a girl" was with the people who escaped Jakku.
He put her there and he wanted her to stay there. He didn't want to kill his cousin, and he damn sure didn't expect she'd somehow find her way back into his world.
Synless
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BaleBatmanvoice "who's the father!?!?"
kame-sennin
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Good catch. When the officer says, "the two were accompanied by a girl", Kylo force chokes/pulls him to his hand and while physically choking him says "what girl"? So, he's even more pissed and surprised to hear about Rey then he was about losing the droid.
The only other reading of that scene is that Kylo gets really mad when he's beaten by a girl.
Bingo.
If this info had actually been included in the movie, it would have made things much more logical and much more tense.
t-storm
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The Han-Rey stuff in TFA all but screams that she's Luke's kid. I mean, I'm sorry, but no way does Han hear that her name is Rey and then offer her a job if she's not Luke's kid. He suddenly opens up to her big-time after that.
So are you saying you would be surprised if she was Luke's daughter?
How many Rey's are there in a galaxy that size though?
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I just assumed Luke was her father.
I'll stick with that until proven otherwise. Luke went into hiding and hid the fact that he had a child to protect her.
I'll stick with that until proven otherwise. Luke went into hiding and hid the fact that he had a child to protect her.
If Luke is her Father are Han and Leia supposed to be playing dumb?
I can buy that Kylo knows but isn't saying, but how would Han and Leia miss the fact she was their neice?
I realy hope her parent's aren't in TFA; or at the very least they have a good reason for Han's ignorance about her.
I can buy that Kylo knows but isn't saying, but how would Han and Leia miss the fact she was their neice?
I realy hope her parent's aren't in TFA; or at the very least they have a good reason for Han's ignorance about her.
NYR
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I hope they never reveal and it turns out they are some randoms. Maz said it best - you already know the truth. Her pain and un-ending search is for a different purpose - to bring back Luke to defeat Ren.
"Dear child, I see your eyes - you already know the truth. Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back. But, there's someone who still could".
"Dear child, I see your eyes - you already know the truth. Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back. But, there's someone who still could".
Exactly why it shouldn't happen.
ryutaro's mama
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By abandoning her on a desert planet with junk trader.
Father of the Year right there.
Plus, Rey remembers her family abandoning her.
The Palpatine theory is the only one that I like. Everything else is clowns shoes.
NYR
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Who just happens to end up getting the Falcon as well. Huge universe with endless possibilities and everything just happens to occur in one block of the universe. Silly.
My theory is her "parents" or whoever discovered this highly force sensitve child and somehow brought her to the Jedi Temple to see Luke (which is why she ahs visons of the ocean and an island when Kylo mind reads her); Luke tells them to abandon her on a desert planet to live a humble life; that is some sort of "chosen Jedi" destiny. It also conveniently explains why TFA is a "Remake" of sorts of ANH; with a plot point.
ryutaro's mama
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Humble life?
Put a child through the stresses of separation and abandonment at an early age, on a junk planet, with Unkarr because why again?!
There are a ton of ways to hide a child without inflicting that kind of fuckery on them. See: Luke and Leia Skywalker.
Because those conditions produced the most powerful Jedi the world had ever seen (Anakin.)
Alternatively; it's Snoke's doing. An attempt to create the next Darth Vader.
And Luke didn't know who his parents were and lived on a desert planet too.. but it fits Aanakin's destiny more than Luke's.
Either way I think Rey was abandon'd there to live out an Anakin-like destiny by people whio knew she was strongly force sensitive.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Then that's terrible fucking writing. Obiwan had a lover during the clone wars? Seriously? So he shat all over the (terrible) teachings anyway? Cool, so he was an asshole. Poor Anakin.
Eh i think just it was someone hiding her to protect her/the galaxy. I'm assuming Rey has the potential to be a very powerful force wielder but we don't know the what extent yet.
ryutaro's mama
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Why in the fuck would LUKE do that? Luke is an optimist, as evidenced by him trying to save his father AND trying to restart the Jedi Order.
Why would he think breaking a child mentality at such a young age was healthy for them?!
And to your point about Anakin, he was never abandoned on Tatooine. He had his mother the whole time until the Jedi bought his freedom from Watto.
But he lived as an indentured servant to a junk dealer. I didn't say it was an exact replica; but it is a very similar existence. Difference being no Mother to coddle him; which is why I think possibly it's Snoke. Either way there are a combination of aspects of Rey's lfe that fit both Luke and Anakin's upbringing.
And we don't know post-Jedi academy being destroyed by his appretice Luke.
EatinOlives
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I mean, we already knew Rey hadn't seen her parents in Ep VII, so does his correction even make sense? That would've made his original statement a completely pointless one to make.
ryutaro's mama
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He wasn't knowingly ripped away from his family and left with someone like Watto, while they flew away with him screaming for them to come back.
Luke doing that is bizarre af to his character and Rey somehow forgetting he was the one that abandoned her is equally silly.
Manmademan
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Here's something interesting I came across while poking across the internet. Kylo going off the rails and murdering luke's students is a lot more recent than many of us have assumed.
Pablo Hidalgo is creative executive at Lucasfilm.
the incident "wasn't that long ago" and is "more recent" than 15 years ago. If we're generous and assume that " more recent" means 7 years ago and not like 3-5 years (which is what I'd go with), Then Rey (who is 19) would be at LEAST 12 when that attack happened.
She had already been on Jakku for years at that point. It's literally impossible for her to be Luke's child if that's the case, or for Kylo to have had anything to do with her placement there. She was there as a toddler (3, 4, something like that). The incident wouldn't have happened for a decade later.
She's not Luke's, and Kylo doesn't know her.
He actually had two.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Satine_Kryze
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siri_Tachi
Obi Wan being some kind of celibate that isn't interested in women doesn't hold up. The man is a hound.
Pablo Hidalgo is creative executive at Lucasfilm.
the incident "wasn't that long ago" and is "more recent" than 15 years ago. If we're generous and assume that " more recent" means 7 years ago and not like 3-5 years (which is what I'd go with), Then Rey (who is 19) would be at LEAST 12 when that attack happened.
She had already been on Jakku for years at that point. It's literally impossible for her to be Luke's child if that's the case, or for Kylo to have had anything to do with her placement there. She was there as a toddler (3, 4, something like that). The incident wouldn't have happened for a decade later.
She's not Luke's, and Kylo doesn't know her.
He actually had two.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Satine_Kryze
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siri_Tachi
Obi Wan being some kind of celibate that isn't interested in women doesn't hold up. The man is a hound.
OK so Snoke. Luke also wasn't a girl; Rey's favorite color is green and Luke's is blue... I could point ouit differences all day too. I'm merely saying there are similarities between Luke and Anakin's life; there are also similarities between both Rey and Luke's lif and Rey and Anakin's life. These simialrities are heavily discussed by people who complain about TFA being a remake.
If you don't think these similarities are an actual plot point then fine; I think it's possible and very JJ like.
ryutaro's mama
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So what are you saying? Snoke is her father or Snoke kidnapped Luke's kid and abandoned her on Jakku without keeping actual tabs on her?
I'm not following.
1) There are similarities between Rey's life and the life of 2 people in this universe who developed into Force Masters.
2) Someone put Rey on that planet to live a similar life to try to produce a similar Force Master.
I haven't said a word about her being Luke's kid; it could be forces of good or forces of evil doing this to Rey. But I think there will be a plot point that ties together the "it's a remake" aspect of TFA. Someone made Rey's life the way it is to try to recreate the elements that produced either Luke or Darth Vader.
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