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[Kaneda Shotaro]

the incident "wasn't that long ago" and is "more recent" than 15 years ago. If we're generous and assume that " more recent" means 7 years ago and not like 3-5 years (which is what I'd go with), Then Rey (who is 19) would be at LEAST 12 when that attack happened.

She had already been on Jakku for years at that point. It's literally impossible for her to be Luke's child if that's the case, or for Kylo to have had anything to do with her placement there. She was there as a toddler (3, 4, something like that). The incident wouldn't have happened for a decade later.

She's not Luke's, and Kylo doesn't know her.



He actually had two.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Satine_Kryze

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siri_Tachi

Obi Wan being some kind of celibate that isn't interested in women doesn't hold up. The man is a hound.

Rey wasn't there for the attack, Luke's saber was there though (which is why she saw a piece of what happened). And his saber was only recently built according to the Visual Dictionary. Rey being dropped off happened before the massacre, maybe years before.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

1) There are similarities between Rey's life and the life of 2 people in this universe who developed into Force Masters.

2) Someone put Rey on that planet to live a similar life to try to produce a similar Force Master.

I haven't said a word about her being Luke's kid; it could be forces of good or forces of evil doing this to Rey. But I think there will be a plot point that ties together the "it's a remake" aspect of TFA. Someone made Rey's life the way it is to try to recreate the elements that produced either Luke or Darth Vader.

Right...and that someone (that you are saying is Snoke) didn't bother keeping tabs on her all that time to monitor her development. He instead stashed her there and then acted surprised when there was even a girl doing force shit. IIRC, Snoke was obsessed with recapturing the droid to find Luke over seeing if his Vader experiment had bared fruit.

Snoke didn't even give a shit about her until the end of the movie.

 

[16BitNova]

The Han-Rey stuff in TFA all but screams that she's Luke's kid. I mean, I'm sorry, but no way does Han hear that her name is Rey and then offer her a job if she's not Luke's kid. He suddenly opens up to her big-time after that.

He offered her a job because of her knowledge and handiness around a ship. She impressed him with what she did on the Falcon, bypassing the compressed and all that.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

So Obi-Wan had two lovers? What the fuck. He was lying to everyone then and kept his cool. Couldn't he have said something to Anakin, this would've helped. A lot.

I know the old Jedi rules were terrible and this going to be seen in the new films but the miscommunication or lack of help from Obi-Wan also contributed to Anakin's fall.

 

[Manmademan]

Rey wasn't there for the attack,

Obviously. She was on Jakku as a young child. By the time the attack happened she had been a seasoned scavenger for years already.

Luke's saber was there though (which is why she saw a piece of what happened). And his saber was only recently built according to the Visual Dictionary. Rey being dropped off happened before the massacre, maybe years before.

Yes, obviously. But not dropped off by Luke (why would he drop his own child in the desert a decade before the massacre) and not by Kylo (she had been on jakku long before he went bad, and would never have met him).

Her parents are someone else. There's no way to make that series of events make sense if the massacre was a recent thing.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Obviously. She was on Jakku as a young child. By the time the attack happened she had been a seasoned scavenger for years already.



Yes, obviously. But not dropped off by Luke (why would he drop his own child in the desert a decade before the massacre) and not by Kylo (she had been on jakku long before he went bad, and would never have met him).

Her parents are someone else. There's no way to make that series of events make sense if the massacre was a recent thing.

This only adds to my theory that Snoke wanted another Anakin so she's some type of creation using Vader or Luke's blood. And I'm assuming she was dropped off by a confused Kylo so she wouldn't be in danger when Kylo started to succumb to the dark side.

 

[16BitNova]

To me, she is either of Sith Bloodline, or created from midicholorians like Anakin was (an attempt by Snoke to create the most powerful force user), or she is a Kenobi, first a Kenobi leaves a Skywalker in hiding for protection, now a Skywalker leaves a Kenobi in hiding for protection, it rhymes or whatever.

 

[MMarston]

A Skywalker can be anyone. Even a young scavenger doing something as simple and reassuring as fixing a little droid's antenna to let it know the world hadn't ended.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

"Dear child, I see your eyes - you already know the truth. Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back. But, there's someone who still could".

Yeah, Maz's quote there essentially rules Luke out all by itself. If her parents are who she's waiting for (and they are) and Maz says they both know they're never coming back, why would she then say Luke could come back?

That quote lays out in two sentences:

Maz knows something about Rey's parentage, even if it's that those parents are gone for good.
Maz knows Luke is out there and could possibly come back.
Maz knows Luke is not one of Rey's parents.

 

[riotous]

Right...and that someone (that you are saying is Snoke) didn't bother keeping tabs on her all that time to monitor her development. He instead stashed her there and then acted surprised when there was even a girl doing force shit. IIRC, Snoke was obsessed with recapturing the droid to find Luke over seeing if his Vader experiment had bared fruit.

Snoke didn't even give a shit about her until the end of the movie.

Well I don't actually think it's Snoke; I think it was someone who is trying to create Rey into a Jedi to destroy Kylo. Luke may or may not be involved in that; I think he is. He's a broken man after helping create the conditions that produced Kylo. So stash the most powerful force sensitive child in the universe on a desert planet and make them ignorant of the teachings of the Jedi much like Luke was; let them develop more naturally into a force to defeat evil.

edit: Manmademan may have just destroyed my theory by explaining the timing of it all lol..

 

[Manmademan]

This only adds to my theory that Snoke wanted another Anakin so she's some type of creation using Vader or Luke's blood. And I'm assuming she was dropped off by a confused Kylo so she wouldn't be in danger when Kylo started to succumb to the dark side.

She was "dropped off" when she was about 4. Kylo didn't "succumb to the dark side" until almost a decade later. When she was "dropped off" Kylo likely hadn't even been sent to luke for training, and certainly wouldn't have been running around the galaxy stealing infants on his own.

There is no way for that series of events to make sense, given that we know the massacre was a recent event.

Yeah, Maz's quote there essentially rules Luke out all by itself. If her parents are who she's waiting for (and they are) and Maz says they both know they're never coming back, why would she then say Luke could come back?

That quote lays out in two sentences:

Maz knows something about Rey's parentage, even if it's that those parents are gone for good.
Maz knows Luke is out there and could possibly come back.
Maz knows Luke is not one of Rey's parents.

exactly. Whoever her parents are, or whoever dropped her off on Jakku is dead and not in a position to come back. This rules out luke, leia, han, kylo, etc.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Yeah, Maz's quote there essentially rules Luke out all by itself. If her parents are who she's waiting for (and they are) and Maz says they both know they're never coming back, why would she then say Luke could come back?

That quote lays out in two sentences:

Maz knows something about Rey's parentage, even if it's that those parents are gone for good.
Maz knows Luke is out there and could possibly come back.
Maz knows Luke is not one of Rey's parents.

That quote works perfectly for Kylo Ren. She's right, the good man that dropped her off is never coming back. He's changed. Like the vision showed, the ship flew from the light into the darkness.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That quote works perfectly for Kylo Ren.

Nope. The fact she was dropped off at like age 4 or 5 puts him out of the timeline. She's waiting for Parents. Even considering how young she is, there's no way she's going to mistake Kylo and some mysterious other woman for her dad and mom. Older brother, maybe.

 

[Manmademan]

That quote works perfectly for Kylo Ren. She's right, the good man that dropped her off is never coming back. He's changed. Like the vision showed, the ship flew from the light into the darkness.

Son are you on drugs

Nope. The fact she was dropped off at like age 4 or 5 puts him out of the timeline. She's waiting for Parents. Young as she is there's no way she's going to mistake Kylo and some mysterious other woman for her dad and mom.

exactly. There's no way to make sense of a not trained at all Kylo Ren stealing luke's 4 year old daughter that no one in the universe seems to be aware that he has, drop her on a desert planet, go back to Luke to be trained for 8-10 years while no one is concerned about where Luke's stolen infant is and THEN go bad and murder all of luke's students.

it simply does not work.

 

[A-V-B]

WHURRR'S THE SABERRRR

WHURRRR IS IT

YOU WOULD NEVUR GIVE IT TO AN ORDINRY PAD'WAN

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

She was "dropped off" when she was about 4. Kylo didn't "succumb to the dark side" until almost a decade later. When she was "dropped off" Kylo likely hadn't even been sent to luke for training, and certainly wouldn't have been running around the galaxy stealing infants on his own.

There is no way for that series of events to make sense, given that we know the massacre was a recent event.



exactly. Whoever her parents are, or whoever dropped her off on Jakku is dead and not in a position to come back. This rules out luke, leia, han, kylo, etc.

Let's say she was 5. He'd be 15. That's the perfect age for the beginning of his taste of the dark side.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

This only adds to my theory that Snoke wanted another Anakin so she's some type of creation using Vader or Luke's blood. And I'm assuming she was dropped off by a confused Kylo so she wouldn't be in danger when Kylo started to succumb to the dark side.

1) So Snoke couldn't be bothered to monitor his Vader experiment? He isn't even interested in her until the end of the film.

2) Rey is screaming out for her family as the ship flies away. If a confused Kylo is the one that dropped her off, somehow as a teenager (Rey was 6-8 in the flashback and canonically, Kylo is like 9 years her senior) why in the fuck doesn't she remember him? She has seen him with and without mask by the film's end. Why doesn't he remember her? Why doesn't she feel his thoughts on the matter? Who are the people she was crying over being abandoned by?

See how messy this shit gets when you try retconning stuff?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Let's say she was 5. He'd be 15. That's the perfect age for the beginning of his taste of the dark side.

Again, even if she were dumb enough to think that 15 year old Adam Driver was her dad (and she's not a dumb character) the instant she sees him, she's not gonna go "Oh, shit, it's Dad! I can feeeeeeel it?"

That dude forces his way into her head. You think he's not gonna see a younger him as her mental image of "dad?" He doesn't see it because it's not there.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Nope. The fact she was dropped off at like age 4 or 5 puts him out of the timeline. She's waiting for Parents. Even considering how young she is, there's no way she's going to mistake Kylo and some mysterious other woman for her dad and mom.

Son are you on drugs



exactly. There's no way to make sense of a not trained at all Kylo Ren to steal luke's 4 year old daughter, drop her on a desert planet, go back to Luke to be trained for 8-10 years while no one is concerned about where Luke's stolen infant is and THEN go bad and murder all of luke's students.

it simply does not work.

1) So Snoke couldn't be bothered to monitor his Vader experiment? He isn't even interested in her until the end of the film.

2) Rey is screaming out for her family as the ship flies away. If a confused Kylo is the one that dropped her off, somehow as a teenager (Rey was 6-8 in the flashback and canonically, Kylo is like 9 years her senior) why in the fuck doesn't she remember him? She has seen him with and without mask by the film's end. Why doesn't he remember her? Why doesn't she feel his thoughts on the matter? Who are the people she was crying over being abandoned by?

See how messy this shit gets when you try retconning stuff?

Okay, geez. Maybe she thinks it was her parents that dropped her off? I mean obviously whoever dropped her off wiped her memory since she doesn't remember learning anything about the force. Why wouldn't Kylo wipe the memory of himself as well? It almost felt like he knew who she was or could be.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Okay, geez. Maybe she thinks it was her parents that dropped her off? I mean obviously whoever dropped her off wiped her memory since she doesn't remember learning anything about the force.

Even that gets weird. Now we are entertaining a scenario where her memories aren't really her memories in order to make a far fetched theory (that requires a shit ton of expository) work.

 

[Manmademan]

Let's say she was 5. He'd be 15. That's the perfect age for the beginning of his taste of the dark side.

He wasn't trained yet at that age, and was nearly a decade out from turning on Luke. Kylo ren wasn't a jedi at that point period. He had neither the ability or motivation to steal an infant or mind wipe her.

and even if he did (lets say he was a jedi super genius), this requires Luke to ignore that his daughter is missing for nearly 10 years and be completely unconcerned about it and tell no one, deciding to train new jedi instead of finding out where his daughter is and who stole her. It absolutely defies belief.

Okay, geez. Maybe she thinks it was her parents that dropped her off? I mean obviously whoever dropped her off wiped her memory since she doesn't remember learning anything about the force.

She doesn't remember learning about the force because she never did.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Even that gets weird. Now we are entertaining a scenario where her memories aren't really her memories in order to make a far fetched theory (that requires a shit ton of expository) work.

Kylo dropped you off because he was worried Snoke would try and get to you. Kylo wiped your memory. Done. How is that hard to explain? Of course every kid wants their parents to save them and she assumed her family dropped her off and she's right, he is family. Except he wiped her memory since she was obviously very strong with the force even as a kid.

 

[ramparter]

If Luke is her Father are Han and Leia supposed to be playing dumb?

I can buy that Kylo knows but isn't saying, but how would Han and Leia miss the fact she was their neice?

I realy hope her parent's aren't in TFA; or at the very least they have a good reason for Han's ignorance about her.

I think we assume too much. Even if Luke is the father the fact that he left her on the planet tells me one thing, he wanted her to hide. Probably no one else knows about her.

Anyway I start to believe that he isn't her father but mostly I want to stress that I don't think Kylo reacted that way because he knew who she was. He just cared about the map to Luke way to much. There are unresolved stuff between him and Luke.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Kylo dropped you off because he was worried Snoke would try and get to you. Kylo wiped your memory. Done. How is that hard to explain? Of course every kid wants their parents to save them and she assumed her family dropped her off and she's right, he is family. Except he wiped her memory since she was obviously very strong with the force even as a kid.

And when Kylo was in a compromised state, when Rey was reversing the Jedi mind read and getting into his head, she wouldn't have seen that? Also, Ren never acted like he knew her. He never even hints at that.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

He wasn't trained yet at that age, and was nearly a decade out from turning on Luke. Kylo ren wasn't a jedi at that point period. He had neither the ability or motivation to steal an infant or mind wipe her.

and even if he did (lets say he was a jedi super genius), this requires Luke to ignore that his daughter is missing for nearly 10 years and be completely unconcerned about it and tell no one, deciding to train new jedi instead of finding out where his daughter is and who stole her. It absolutely defies belief.



She doesn't remember learning about the force because she never did.

Okay the rest may be true but no, she definitely had some training as a child. She knows Woolie language, she knows the falcon, she can control people and she can use the force. It was repressed. I thought this was assumed by everyone. That as a child she was strong but all of it started coming back after he went into her head (since she hadn't used those powers anytime before that scene).

 

[MarkMclovin]

I reckon it's whatshername in Rogue One.

 

[Manmademan]

I think we assume too much. Even if Luke is the father the fact that he left her on the planet tells me one thing, he wanted her to hide

dropping a 4-5 year old on a desert planet without supervision isn't "hiding", its nearly a death sentence. Whoever put her there had no other options and intended to come back in the short term. That doesn't sound like Luke.

Okay the rest may be true but no, she definitely had some training as a child. She knows Woolie language, she knows the falcon, she can control people and she can use the force. It was repressed. I thought this was assumed by everyone. That as a child she was strong but all of it started coming back after he went into her head (since she hadn't used those powers anytime before that scene).

Its established that she learned alien language from her time examining scavenged ships on Jakku. She knows the falcon because it had been a stolen wreck on Jakku for a long time. she had been in and out of it with other smugglers.
The force usage is completely new, relied on instinct and not something she had done before. Again, she assumed Jedi were completely fictional and had never seen one. Rey was untrained.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Whoever put her there had no other options and intended to come back in the short term.

Exactly my theory. Whoever left her there, did it out of temporary desperation (possibly being tracked by the First Order/Snoke) and had every intention of returning once things were safe. As fate would have it, they never got that chance.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

What if Luke, her father, told Kylo to drop her off? This would add some tension and also add to Snoke's backstory. Maybe Kylo didn't want to do it but Luke deemed a child of his might be too dangerous to have around because of Snoke and this part of the reason Kylo turned.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

What if Luke, her father, told Kylo to drop her off? This would add some tension and also add to Snoke's backstory. Maybe Kylo didn't want to do it but Luke deemed a child of his might be too dangerous to have around because of Snoke and this part of the reason Kylo turned.

WHY DOESN'T REN REMEMBER HER THEN?

This is the thing you keep missing in your theory.

 

[Manmademan]

What if Luke, her father, told Kylo to drop her off? This would add some tension and also add to Snoke's backstory. Maybe Kylo didn't want to do it but Luke deemed a child of his might be too dangerous to have around because of Snoke and this part of the reason Kylo turned.

Luke was a legend within the resistance, the last jedi in the galaxy and well respected by the republic. He has a LOT more options to keep a child safe than abandoning a toddler in the desert with scavengers and pirates unsupervised.

nothing about that makes sense. Why tell Kylo he has a child and GIVE her to him but not mention he even has one to his twin sister and brother in law?

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

WHY DOESN'T REN REMEMBER HER THEN?

This is the thing you keep missing in your theory.

Luke wiped his memory? Maybe Luke hid every trace of her.

Luke looked kind of upset when he saw her. Maybe he didn't want her to come back. Luke isn't the same Luke that we all love, they've said in interviews the drawing factor to this story for Mark Hammil was "who is Luke Skywalker?". I think ditching your kid and trying to hide all trace of her is pretty dark and interesting.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

What if Luke, her father, told Kylo to drop her off? This would add some tension and also add to Snoke's backstory. Maybe Kylo didn't want to do it but Luke deemed a child of his might be too dangerous to have around because of Snoke and this part of the reason Kylo turned.

It's not Kylo or Luke.

 

[Manmademan]

Luke wiped his memory? Maybe Luke hid every trace of her.

Luke looked kind of upset when he saw her. Maybe he didn't want her to come back. Luke isn't the same Luke that we all love, they've said in interviews the drawing factor to this story for Mark Hammil was "who is Luke Skywalker?". I think ditching your kid and trying to hide all trace of her is pretty dark and interesting.

It's memory wipes alllllllllllllll the way down

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Luke was a legend within the resistance, the last jedi in the galaxy and well respected by the republic. He has a LOT more options to keep a child safe than abandoning a toddler in the desert with scavengers and pirates unsupervised.

nothing about that makes sense. Why tell Kylo he has a child and GIVE her to him but not mention he even has one to his twin sister and brother in law?

Why would Leia let a complete stranger go to Luke first? With no one else except her and Chewie? She might have suspected by that point.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Luke wiped his memory? Maybe Luke hid every trace of her.

Luke looked kind of upset when he saw her. Maybe he didn't want her to come back. Luke isn't the same Luke that we all love, they've said in interviews the drawing factor to this story for Mark Hammil was "who is Luke Skywalker?". I think ditching your kid and trying to hide all trace of her is pretty dark and interesting.

Memory wipes for everyone. I think I have explained many ways why your theory is flawed.

I can't this anymore.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Okay I'll stop lol. I just hope they answer who dropped her off in 8 since JJ said 9 would include answers as well.

 

[Manmademan]

Why would Leia let a complete stranger go to Luke first? With no one else except her and Chewie? She might have suspected by that point.

Because at that point Rey was a jedi and the only known one in the galaxy other than Kylo and Snoke. She's going to luke to be trained.

you might as well ask why Obi Wan sent "a complete stranger" into the middle of a swamp to meet a crazy muppet for the first time. Because that's the best way to get them both the resources they need to avoid going darkside and killing a bunch of people by accident.

 

[Zombine]

Her Grandfather is Syfo Dyas.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Because at that point Rey was a jedi and the only known one in the galaxy other than Kylo and Snoke. She's going to luke to be trained.

you might as well ask why Obi Wan sent "a complete stranger" into the middle of a swamp to meet a crazy muppet for the first time. Because that's the best way to get them both the resources they need to avoid going darkside and killing a bunch of people by accident.

I would still be chapped if I were Yoda.

"Obi-wan, what part of, 'On Dagobah I am. No randos will you send.' wasn't clear when I retired?"

 

[inm8num2]

We're reaching some interesting stages of fan theories.

looks at calendar

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Why the hell is Obi-Wan Kenobi talking to Rey in the middle of her vision? Of all the people?

Why the dead guy from 3 movies back, and not the living guy who isn't doing shit else at the moment but communing with the Force on top of a mountain made of Irish Spring?

 

[Manmademan]

Based on Rey's parallels to Luke, her Force abilities, and her very Skywalker-centric Forceback with the Skywalker lightsaber - it would almost be a giant slap in the face to not deliver on her being Skywalker or at least a child that Luke "adopted" because he realized her potential and wanted to make sure she wasn't seduced by the dark side. Kylo turning was Luke's realization that had had failed the Jedi order. More specifically he doubted his ability to guide Rey. He hides her on Jakku and then removes himself from the picture entirely.

as explained already, Rey was dropped on Jakku somewhere around 8-10 years BEFORE Kylo turned. This doesn't make sense.

I would still be chapped if I were Yoda.

"Obi-wan, what part of, 'On Dagobah I am. No randos will you send.' wasn't clear when I retired?"

I'm dying here. literally laughing my ass off

 

[riotous]

Why the hell is Obi-Wan Kenobi talking to Rey in the middle of her vision? Of all the people?

Why the dead guy from 3 movies back, and not the living guy who isn't doing shit else at the moment but communing with the Force on top of a mountain made of Irish Spring?

Maybe spirit Obi-Wan disagreed with the idea of Luke creating a Jedi Academy (considering how that turned out for the Jedi of the past.)

Maybe spirit Obi-Wan is the one behind Rey being stashed on Jakku, far away from any Jedi-training.. because Obi-Wan forsaw that Luke's Jedi Academy would produce the next Darth Vader.

Hence why Obi-Wan is the one speaking to Rey.

 

[MarkMclovin]

as explained already, Rey was dropped on Jakku somewhere around 8-10 years BEFORE Kylo turned. This doesn't make sense.

We are watching the time 10 years after she was dropped off, now.

Kylo turning 10 years ago makes far more sense.

 

[Manmademan]

We are watching the time 10 years after she was dropped off, now.

Kylo turning 10 years ago makes far more sense.

no we aren't. We see Rey dropped off in a flashback. She's 4 or 5 years old there.

Rey is canonically 19 at the time of TFA. That is ABSOLUTELY not what a 9 year old girl looks like. (edit: the actress playing Young Rey is currently 8. she would have been 5 or 6 during filming). She was dropped off 14-15 years ago. Someone asked Pablo Hidalgo straight out "Did the academy attack happen 14 or 15 years ago" and got "No, it wasn't that long ago. It was more recent than that."

Theres some wiggle room on what you consider "not that long ago" and "more recent" but the gap between her being dropped off and the academy attack is likely 8-10 years.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Or maybe Obi-Wan has a connection to Rey beyond "I had this glowstick in a stashbox for 20 years."

I'm looking at that question in terms of story utility. You've got Luke hid out at the site of the first Jedi Temple, likely doing nada but communing with the Force. Either way, he's in solitude, and has been for awhile.

So this girl touches his lightsaber and sets off a literally unprecedented vision in the Star Wars series.

Why would you choose to have Ben talk to Rey in that moment (going so far as to get Ewan McGregor to come back and do a line, even!) if you've got Luke right there and you're planning on revealing Luke is her father. And then, if that was the idea you were operating from, why would you have Maz show up and immediately explain that "Your Family" and "Luke Skywalker" are two completely separate entities?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

People are trying to argue the actress that played Young Rey was 10?

smh

 

[Toxi]

Somehow I knew Thanos wasn't her father.

 

[riotous]

Or maybe Obi-Wan has a connection to Rey beyond "I had this glowstick in a stashbox for 20 years."

Well yeah that's what my post is claiming in my response to you.

Obi-Wan being involved explains how Rey survived so long on Jakku.. it might even epxlain the coincidence of how the Falcon shows up on Jakku with perfect timing.

Obi-Wan has been in the background "protecting" Rey, and helping to create the elements that bring her towards her eventual force training (with Luke who is the Yoda of this new trilogy.)