=GabrielKnight=
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Voted for GM2, but Moebius is going to win
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Jane Jensen's Pinkerton Road Kickstarter project [Ended, $435K funded]
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perfect free
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I was all set to vote for Moebius, but surprisingly the premise and setting of Anglophile Adventure ended up winning me over.
I'll happily play whatever ends up getting made, though.
Plus Evangeline is such a pretty name.
Spectacular Dr Dawg
Member
Voted for Moebius. The other two seem pretty interesting too so it's not a big deal if Moebius doesn't win somehow.
One interesting question's crossed my mind: What happens if they make $550k? That's significantly more than the original target, but a bit less than their stretch goal target to make a second project.
Nice though it would be to have all the extra money ploughed into the first game, it sounds like they've already established the budget and plans and throwing new stuff at it won't necessarily gel correctly.
On top of that, I assume that their second game *will* get made, but it'd fall into next years' offering - but a big chunk of the funding will come from this year. That's going to feel a little uncomfortable, particularly because I assume a part of the Pinkerton Road business plan is based around convincing people to stick with them year after year.
Either they *do* offer Game #2 to backers from this year - in which case it makes their enticement for next year's project less, well, enticing, or they *don't*, in which case this year's backers may feel a little cheated.
My gut says: Delay the start of their second Kickstarter until Game #2 is completed - making the second Kickstarter completely distinct from any influence this one would have - and then offer backers a discount on it proportional to how close the fund got to backing it (So $450k would mean a 50% discount; $500k would be 66%, that sort of thing). I think that's fair, if a little convoluted. Next year's Kickstarter would cover Game #3 onwards.
Nice though it would be to have all the extra money ploughed into the first game, it sounds like they've already established the budget and plans and throwing new stuff at it won't necessarily gel correctly.
On top of that, I assume that their second game *will* get made, but it'd fall into next years' offering - but a big chunk of the funding will come from this year. That's going to feel a little uncomfortable, particularly because I assume a part of the Pinkerton Road business plan is based around convincing people to stick with them year after year.
Either they *do* offer Game #2 to backers from this year - in which case it makes their enticement for next year's project less, well, enticing, or they *don't*, in which case this year's backers may feel a little cheated.
My gut says: Delay the start of their second Kickstarter until Game #2 is completed - making the second Kickstarter completely distinct from any influence this one would have - and then offer backers a discount on it proportional to how close the fund got to backing it (So $450k would mean a 50% discount; $500k would be 66%, that sort of thing). I think that's fair, if a little convoluted. Next year's Kickstarter would cover Game #3 onwards.
Versipellis
Member
The problem here is that if the funding shows small chances of getting to 600K in the last two days, some people who pledged $50+ may decide to lower their donation, making the second goal unreachable.
It's still going pretty strong, but to reach 600K it has to do ~13K/day. Here's an handmade graph. It's still over the 600K line, but the gap is getting narrower.
Let's hope that JJ releases more info on the winning adventure, so that word about the KS campaign starts getting around again (I'm not even sure if RPS made a news about this).
You're right you didnt understand my sentence.
"I mean the games are quality so why not invest in something that is supposed to fund a whole company?"
I say the games are production quality. My criticism is directed toward this amateurish kickstarter campaign.
And what is so amateurish about it? They've got not one, not two, but THREE fully developed concepts they can jump straight into development of once/if they get funded, they've given clear aims for their Kickstarter, they've answered questions fans have and have even given glimpses of the design bible that is one of the rewards... If anything, they've got this all sorted out really nicely and they've got clear plans of how to go forward if they are successful.
Extra Sauce
Member
So... am the only one who is crushing on Raleigh? She's so pretty and natural. I hope we see more of her. Based on that video, seems like she would be a good onscreen actress. Not just because of her looks either.
No, she's cute.
I'm kind of worried it doesn't get nearly as much funding as Wasteland or Shadowrun, you'd think Gabriel Knight/Gray Matter fans would get a bit more involved. Then again, looking at Recommended section on gog.com, there are 9 RPGs in top 10, so it isn't surprising in any way.
They should probably be more creative in their updates and give more interviews, I swear I see Brian Fargo interviews popping up almost daily.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Ah right, I see. I thought the initial video was really well done. But since then there has been a tapering. I attribute the slow progress to people just not caring about adventure games as much, which may or may not be accurate. People may also misconstrue the game ideas as casual adventure games like hidden object or something?
DiscoJer
Member
I think a lot of it is the higher tier rewards aren't being bought (for the most part).
Like for both WL2 and SR, you can get yourself in the game as an NPC at the $1,000 level. Here, it's at the $10,000 level. That can't be helped, since RPGs have a lot more NPCs than adventure games.
But the $1000 reward tier is just a signed piece of art. Not nearly as compelling. So not as many buyers.
CecilRousso
Member
I just hope that this does mean that they will make Gray Matter 2 as their second game.
=GabrielKnight=
Member
Any Jane Jensen game with Robert Holmes music.
I'm happy with this, but I really wanted Gray Matter 2... I think they will reach the 300k goal, but I see it very hard for the 600k mark. So when will we see Sam and David again?
indigo-cyclops
Member
After reading the concept and hearing more about it, I'm really interested in the game as well. At first I didn't know what to expect. I love the ideas behind all three games, and I hope the funding will come and allow them all to happen.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
I'd rather see anglophile then grey matter 2 to be honest.
Happy that Moebius won though, will probably pledge now.
Happy that Moebius won though, will probably pledge now.
I wanted to give all games the top rating but they wouldn't let me do that. :| I only rated it lower because they forced me to.
Versipellis
Member
Ok, since the first game has been chosen and the campaign needs a lot of visibility, who do we need to ask to have a nice title change?
indigo-cyclops
Member
Jane's starting to get some good press. She is doing an "Ask a Developer" over at GOG.com, and Gamasutra posted a short newsbrief regarding the title vote for the game...
I hope she gets more funding!
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168626/Backers_fans_choose_next_game_from_Gabriel_Knight_creator.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29
http://www.gog.com/en/news/ask_a_developer_a_question_gabriel_knight/
I hope she gets more funding!
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168626/Backers_fans_choose_next_game_from_Gabriel_Knight_creator.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29
http://www.gog.com/en/news/ask_a_developer_a_question_gabriel_knight/
Dog Problems
Banned
I'm hoping this is successful enough to make them do another Kickstarter next year, or maybe even afford to make Gray Matter 2 on their own. They see interest in it so I'm sure we'll see it eventually.
Versipellis
Member
Personally, I'm pretty glad that Gray Matter 2 didn't win. It's a great game, but not enough people have played it -- making a sequel to a game even most fans didn't play would only hurt the progress of this kickstarter, I believe.
IMO they need to get Gray Matter 1 on Steam before they do a Gray Matter 2.
Traumahound
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I don't understand the $50 reward tier. It says that you'll receive "ALL of our studio releases this CSG cycle on PC download". The project description says that if they reach $300K they'll release Moebius and Lola and Lucys Big Adventure (kids game). If they reach $600K, they'll also release a second "grown up" game.
So, if you pledge $50, but they only reach $300K does that mean you're essentially paying $35 for a kids game (plus beta test access and digital design bibles)?
So, if you pledge $50, but they only reach $300K does that mean you're essentially paying $35 for a kids game (plus beta test access and digital design bibles)?
Extra Sauce
Member
I didn't know they were including a kids game in the subscription. That's a bad idea IMO. It makes the offer less enticing for people with no kids, which is a ton.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
Member
I agree with this. But I would also hope that, if they look likely to reach the secondary goal, that they would run another poll between just GM2 and Anglophile adventure. If for no other reason, then to get new backers between now and then involved.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That'll never happen since Euro published adventure games are banned on Steam or something.
Dog Problems
Banned
That'll never happen since Euro published adventure games are banned on Steam or something.
Do you have more info on this?
He's just being sarcastic because Steam seems pretty picky with approving adventure games on their service.
I'm guessing it's mostly a pricepoint thing though, I think a lot of those euro publishers simply want to charge too much.
CecilRousso
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As I understand it, the $50 pledge will include at least one other adventure game, probably Gray Matter 2. But if they don´t reach $600K they will probably have to delay the release of that, so that the "season" only includes two full games, instead of three.
So if you pledge $50, you get both Moebius and Gray Matter, and if they reach $600K they will probably have time to do Anglohile Adventure also, so that you get three games + the kid game as a bonus.
Feel free to correct me if I´m wrong.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Given the stuff that does make Steam, there seems to be a big anti-adventure game bias anyway.
I think this implies that if the $600k is not raised then a second game is not included in the season. This worries me since how many people pledged $50 under the impression they'd be getting two full games?
I imagine it should get there, if they manage publicity right. It's getting roughly ~$10k a day, with Shadowrun and Wasteland out of the way it should be the marquee title that gets the most visibility, so it has potential to pick up pace.
The LSL remake is possibly the biggest spanner in the works - it's interesting that that's got significantly more funding than Jensen's, when Jensen's is actually a *new* game. Either the LSL name is more fondly remembered than the GK name, or - a suspicion I have - comedy adventures are more fondly remembered than serious adventures.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
LSL came first, didn't it? And, for better or for worse, people probably know Al Lowe more than Jane Jensen.
Dog Problems
Banned
Oh, I thought he meant there's an actual story behind it, haha. I hate how picky they are with adventures.
I hate to admit it, but I'm real temped to drop my pledge down to the minimum since it's likely it won't even get near $600K. And none of the rewards entice me enough to pledge high.
I'd recommend you keep the 50$ pledge for now. If it seems that it'll never reach 600k when there's only a day or two left (like, it's barely over 300k at that point), THEN change it if you don't feel it's worth it.
Dog Problems
Banned
Yeah, that's the plan for now.
Well, like I said before, I feel I promised her that money from the outset. I don't want to take it away from her just because there wasn't enough people who had interest in it. But I have the feeling a TON of people are going to drop from $50 to $16. It will be quite a blow to the total. I'm hoping the Kickstarter will be able to withstand it.
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1005365109/jane-jensens-pinkerton-road-2012-2013-csg/
Well that's terrifyingly tight.
Well that's terrifyingly tight.
CecilRousso
Member
She needs to update the page further to focus on Moebius. Everything about it in the concept PDF should be first on the page.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
Member
From the kickstarter:
I actually agree with her that the $50 dollar tier is good value.
I actually agree with her that the $50 dollar tier is good value.
CecilRousso
Member
$50 seems like the logical choice if you want to feel a part of the development process.
Last night Jane updated the page with clarification on the tiers (including some new stuff for the $50 pledge level, including the hard to find GK novels as ebooks!) People who are on the fence about pledging but haven't looked at it lately should take another look. (Read the text on the page first, since the tier levels on the right can't be edited.)