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January Wrasslin' |OT| The Assassination of Daniel Bryan by the Coward Vince McMahon

Also, thinking about the best matches of the year I would easily put a few things from Raw ahead of most of that PPV list. Punk vs Cena was one of their best encounters and the Daniel Bryan/Orton best of three before Summerslam was significantly better than their matches afterwards.
 

Vylash

Member
Now I'm even more concerned since I have the best PPV matches of 2013 boxset and it features two fucking horrible diva matches and a handful of trash so I was convinced the term "best of" was used loosely...again.

Seems I was proved correct. Time to track down the worthwhile stuff then.

If one of those divas matches wasn't AJ's title win then you've been lied to
 
Also, thinking about the best matches of the year I would easily put a few things from Raw ahead of most of that PPV list. Punk vs Cena was one of their best encounters and the Daniel Bryan/Orton best of three before Summerslam was significantly better than their matches afterwards.

There is also a Best of Raw & Smackdown set though
 

kiguel182

Member
Also, thinking about the best matches of the year I would easily put a few things from Raw ahead of most of that PPV list. Punk vs Cena was one of their best encounters and the Daniel Bryan/Orton best of three before Summerslam was significantly better than their matches afterwards.

Also when Rhodes won the belts. Who knew a tag-team championship match would get a reaction like that in 2013?
 

strobogo

Banned
They will air the same MLK video they've been airing for 15 years. Teddy Long will make a tag team match playas. Brodus Clay will get embarrassed. Truth and Xavier will dance.
 
Stan Hansen & Terry Gordy vs Bruiser Brody & Jimmy Snuka - (AJPW 11/22/1987)

This one's a lot of fun. Not the best tag match ever, but the super hot crowd more than make up for it. Brody defected to New Japan in '85 for a huge program with Inoki, but spent almost all of '86 stateside, returning to Japan only once that year for a legendary 60 minute time limit draw with Inoki. In '87 he returned to All Japan and to say the crowd were excited to have him back would be a severe understatement. What's more, his regular All Japan tag partner, 'The Unsinkable Battleship' Stan Hansen, has found a new tag partner; Terry Gordy, who had made a big impression in AJPW that year, the fans dubbing him 'Ningen Gyorai', or 'The Human Missile'. Brody, however, had brought some back up from New Japan in the form of 'Superfly' Jimmy Snuka, who hadn't been seen in AJPW for five years. As you'd expect, the crowd are suitably excited to see these two teams face off, especially for the Brody & Hansen stuff, which is just awesome. The finish is a bit screwy and they lose the pace a bit when Hansen & Gordy are working over Snuka, but Brody's never far from the action and the crowd go completely apeshit for everything he does.
 

kiguel182

Member
You think Batista comes out and just bombs ADR or will someone else get buried.

A feud between ADR and Baptista is something I have no interest in seeing.

But if the alternative is Baptista winning the Rumble and Main-Eventing Wrestlemania I can endure it.

But this is WWE so he will probably get the spot Bryan deserves.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Wish there was more 70s Andre matches. It's like night and day. I can see why people who only knew him from WWF would think he was just a big guy who didn't do anything. For most of his career, he didn't have to do anything, but the stuff he did, he was incredibly fluid. Much faster than people remember. Awesome at working the crowds too and telling a story in the ring. Always liked the thing where he put his hands on people's shoulders and pushed down.
 

Verendus

Banned
A feud between ADR and Baptista is something I have no interest in seeing.

But if the alternative is Baptista winning the Rumble and Main-Eventing Wrestlemania I can endure it.

But this is WWE so he will probably get the spot Bryan deserves.
ADR is getting squashed.

Get ready for 2 years of Brotista running wild on the roster.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Wish there was more 70s Andre matches. It's like night and day. I can see why people who only knew him from WWF would think he was just a big guy who didn't do anything. For most of his career, he didn't have to do anything, but the stuff he did, he was incredibly fluid. Much faster than people remember. Awesome at working the crowds too and telling a story in the ring. Always liked the thing where he put his hands on people's shoulders and pushed down.

That's when you separate some of the internet wrestling fans with the real ones.
 
Joey Ryan tweeted this;

"Trying to get WWE job in 2010, John Laurinaitis told me "I have enough 5'9" guys. I can't make money with Daniel Bryan, how can I with you?""

Hindsight!
Joey Ryan still largely sucks, tho...

Wish there was more 70s Andre matches. It's like night and day. I can see why people who only knew him from WWF would think he was just a big guy who didn't do anything. For most of his career, he didn't have to do anything, but the stuff he did, he was incredibly fluid. Much faster than people remember. Awesome at working the crowds too and telling a story in the ring. Always liked the thing where he put his hands on people's shoulders and pushed down.

You seen this one?

Andre the Giant, Franz van Buyten & Ali Bey vs Rusher Kimura, Teranishi & Thunder Sugiyama - 2/3 Falls - (IWE 05/02/72)

Love Andre in this match, he's SO much fun, clowning on his own tag partners and getting involved in some really fun spots. It's strange to think that Andre pretty much pioneered every big man spot that 'giant' wrestlers use today.

Quoting for the new page;

Stan Hansen & Terry Gordy vs Bruiser Brody & Jimmy Snuka - (AJPW 11/22/1987)

This one's a lot of fun. Not the best tag match ever, but the super hot crowd more than make up for it. Brody defected to New Japan in '85 for a huge program with Inoki, but spent almost all of '86 stateside, returning to Japan only once that year for a legendary 60 minute time limit draw with Inoki. In '87 he returned to All Japan and to say the crowd were excited to have him back would be a severe understatement. What's more, his regular All Japan tag partner, 'The Unsinkable Battleship' Stan Hansen, has found a new tag partner; Terry Gordy, who had made a big impression in AJPW that year, the fans dubbing him 'Ningen Gyorai', or 'The Human Missile'. Brody, however, had brought some back up from New Japan in the form of 'Superfly' Jimmy Snuka, who hadn't been seen in AJPW for five years. As you'd expect, the crowd are suitably excited to see these two teams face off, especially for the Brody & Hansen stuff, which is just awesome. The finish is a bit screwy and they lose the pace a bit when Hansen & Gordy are working over Snuka, but Brody's never far from the action and the crowd go completely apeshit for everything he does.
 

strobogo

Banned
That's when you separate some of the internet wrestling fans with the real ones.

That's not fair. If all you knew was slow Andre, you wouldn't even think to look up young, fast, mobile Andre. As a kid, all I knew was broken down Andre and I thought he was terrible. As an adult, I think broken down Andre is pretty awesome at working a match even when he could barely move.


Fuck Joey Ryan. I mean, I enjoy his skeezy looks and fabulous (ones) follicular fortitude, but he's not a good wrestler or talker really. TNA picking him out of everyone in PWG was so weird.
 

Recall

Member
So how does one rate the The Miz vs Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel match from Payback? Just about to watch it on the "2013 Best of PPV Matches" DVD set. On paper is looks like a nothing match, so I hope it has something going for it.
 

Sanjuro

Member
That's not fair. If all you knew was slow Andre, you wouldn't even think to look up young, fast, mobile Andre. As a kid, all I knew was broken down Andre and I thought he was terrible. As an adult, I think broken down Andre is pretty awesome at working a match even when he could barely move.

It is fair. There is a general misconception on how mobile or great a wrestler has to be to put on a show that will entertain the masses. I feel like I can observe multiple traits and enjoy them. Some feel the need to basically shit on everything. Their call, but likely would be an asshole in reality.
 

kiguel182

Member
Joey Ryan tweeted this;

"Trying to get WWE job in 2010, John Laurinaitis told me "I have enough 5'9" guys. I can't make money with Daniel Bryan, how can I with you?""

Hindsight!
Joey Ryan still largely sucks, tho...

Well, he did hire Bryan so he gets credit for it.

Was this after SummerSlam 2010? He got a great reaction there, they kind of gave up on him until he won MITB.

The rest is history of course. Even if they still aren't fully behind him as the top guy. They seem to go back and forth with Bryan since he debuted.
 
Recall said:
So how does one rate the The Miz vs Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel match from Payback? Just about to watch it on the "2013 Best of PPV Matches" DVD set. On paper is looks like a nothing match, so I hope it has something going for it.

If I remember rightly, against all odds that actually ended up being a fairly fun 3-way match, which no one was expecting. 3-way matches are pretty hard to do well as it is, so I was very surprised to see them put on a good show and work some inventive spots between the three of them.

strobogo said:
Fuck Joey Ryan. I mean, I enjoy his skeezy looks and fabulous (ones) follicular fortitude, but he's not a good wrestler or talker really. TNA picking him out of everyone in PWG was so weird.

I still can't believe they passed on Brian Cage...he's like a Matt Morgan who can actually wrestle.
 
As much as I miss on-screen character Johnny Ace, the dude himself was seemingly godfuckingawful at his job. Who is still around from people he brought into the company? Like... The Miz, Kofi, and maybe Ryan Reeves?
 
So how does one rate the The Miz vs Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel match from Payback? Just about to watch it on the "2013 Best of PPV Matches" DVD set. On paper is looks like a nothing match, so I hope it has something going for it.

I don't remember that match at all lol. I must have slept right through it
 

strobogo

Banned
It is fair. There is a general misconception on how mobile or great a wrestler has to be to put on a show that will entertain the masses. I feel like I can observe multiple traits and enjoy them. Some feel the need to basically shit on everything. Their call, but likely would be an asshole in reality.

I don't think we're arguing the same thing. I'm saying that if you grew up as a kid and saw old, barely mobile Andre on WWF TV, you probably thought he sucked. You would then probably keep that memory of Andre and not feel the need or desire to seek out when Andre was young and healthy. You'd just assume he probably always sucked. There were tons of guys I thought were boring or sucked as a kid that now I think are great. As a kid, I had zero patience or appreciation for guys like Orndorff/Tully/Arn/Bunkhouse Buck and probably anyone on the Memphis set. No way would 8 year old Stro have been into Dutch Mantel or Nick Bockwinkel.


Actually, I have no idea what I'm arguing here.
 

Recall

Member
If I remember rightly, against all odds that actually ended up being a fairly fun 3-way match, which no one was expecting. 3-way matches are pretty hard to do well as it is, so I was very surprised to see them put on a good show and work some inventive spots between the three of them.

Holy shit that was great. Each wanted to prove something and so much energy! So good. The Miz was on fucking fire too.
 

Xater

Member
He is almost here guys!

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Vylash

Member
anyone happen to have that batista return gif on hand? the one with him getting punched in the face in his first mma match?
 
someone posted the letters between warrior and vince.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-NNkZSWAAYlMDMyQ1VIVVMxaUk/preview?pli=1

Warriors letter said:
"Vince-
Writing this is a different approach in expressing my feelings about the things we discussed the last 2 days under the pressure of TV. knowing that any second someone would be knocking on the door, etc. Every other avenue we tried - via phone, face to face, myself still walking away with unanswered questions. Always put off till a later date. Always with the same result - no result.
Writing sometimes allows a person to express feelings or say things that don't come in conversations such as we have. Some of the things will once again become repetitive - so what I've heard "in an Essence" at least a million times. I've tried to speak as a friend but sometimes you don't hear. I've spoken as a professional but the direction always gets changed. No you never let me leave with-out a response, but the words you speak never have any definitives. My whole life for the last 5 years has had no room for anything but definitive (Los Angeles on Thurs, San Diego on Friday, San Francisco Sat. Sacramento on Sunday, Prime Time on Monday...) but you always have to have the best way of time. Time to say stew things over to work them your way.
I have been from day 1 different from the others. I have sacrificed myself enough both in my personal life and physical well being. The fairness you say you want everyone to have is unfair to me. I grew in 5 (five) years to become what the "Ultimate Warrior" is today, Always questioning, but nonetheless taking him in the direction you wanted him to go at any particular time. Done what would and has taken other 10-15 years.
The points and suggestions you have made over the last 5 years were very well taken. Now I look at other individuals with less than 1/3 the creativity, desire and hunger I had (have) and wonder how you can look and see them as The One. For you as a friend I pray all the things you believe in rise to the surface and present themselves.
Then there is the side that says "What the f man?" When I was thought of as The One the topics of conversation were - "Treat the veterans with respect". The veterans you spite are the very ones who will fuck it up for you. No matter I listened. I would go to ring push myself to the brink of a heart attack and you would say "When you go to the corner - SMILE?!?! you spoke of the Ultimate Warrior appealing to all, old, young, ugly, beautiful, fat, skinny, black, white.
A character who would show ups and downs emotions and intensities, sensitivities and cold-heartedness when it was needed. Like a yo-yo I obliged so I could be The One. Where the hell are this man's ups and downs. - Total jugular-vein popping yelling at all times. Is this the Total Picture, character, or presentation that can be The One? I learned with you to show intensity at this level but also to show just as much intensity with the look of my eyes or with the whisper of my voice or even better - extreme intensity in total silence. I did all you asked.
The the long-term plan changed. At first I was reluctant for what I believed were the right reasons - but once again I went with what I knew I could believe in - "Vince has never fucked me" I dealt with what you thought was best no matter what the cost to me. , no matter the countless # of sleepless nights there were to come, no matter the # of times I had to knock on your door with questions I should never have had.
For the last 2 1/12 years I should have never had the questions I did. To stand and make a videotaped apology for something I never did made me realize all we have is business.
Once again I went without sleep, if ever I do so again it will be because I elect to, not because my wandering mind says to do so.
In reaching this conclusion I ask for these things. You say 500,000 for Wrestlemania is unfair, then I say the last 8 1/2 years of not being compensated equally when I meant as much or more to the company was total bullshit and most definitely unfair. I have sacrificed more than 500,000 more than 1 million dollars, even more in monies that should have been paid to mein receiving equal compensation as Hulk.
I paid my goddamn dues long ago. I need not pay anymore. I have given everything and never once was there a knock on my fucking door. Whether to bullshit as a friend or help me thru my times of need or you trusting me to help you thru yours.
I ask for these things Vince and the answers must come for the next event is upon you. It has been for me the 5 years and for you to tell me you need to evaluate whether or not I'm cost-effective and this takes time us unfair. A show runs at a given time and date - I have always been there, never asking for time to see if I have the rest, food or whatever it takes to make it. Now I ask the same of you.
I want (1) $550,000 release from the monies allotted me to purchase my home. This will suffice as my Wrestlemania VII payoff, but let it be noted it is not fair. I meant as much or more to that show as Hulk - I deserve to be paid the same (I know what Hulk will get)
(2) 4 days off every other time off period - except Pay Per View only.
(3) I want the same pay cut as Hulk gets on all Pay-Per-Views, SNME, FRIDAY PRIMETIME, house shows and proof as such. The same pay cut applies to what Hulk has been paid with relationship to past events Wrestlemania V, VI, VII i.e when Hulk was top draw.
(4) I want numbers and proof of monies done on 1-900-Hulk and likewise same pay cut.
(5) Same pay cut on all forms of merchandising.
Because I have had to always knock on your door Words alone are not good enough. I understand Doug Sages is on Vacation, call him take his days off away like you do to the boys and myself and have it written. Everytime I had to knock upon your door upon leaving I have always apologized. I no long feel I have any reason to apologize, Therefore I will not. I have tried to speak as a friend, but maybe I don't have the qualities you required to seek me out as a friend. The videotaped apology was the icing on the cake - you see it as business so whether I like it or not I must do the same. Whatever your decision I can and will live with it Till then I remain home with one who cares
-Jim"

vince's letter said:
Dear Jim:
This letter is in response to your facsimile to me of July 10, 1991.
You will be paid an aggregate amount of $550,000 (five-hundred-fifty-thousand) for your participation in WrestleMania VII.
With the exception of special events only, you will receive four days off every other time off period.
Your pay rate on house shows will increase to 4-5% of the net, effective immediately, with the understanding that no other WWF athlete will be paid at a higher rate. Likewise, no other WWF athlete will be paid at a higher pay rate than you on pay-per-view events.
Effective immediately, your royalty rate on all forms of merchandise is to be increased. The specific amount will be determined in writing within one week.
Your compensation for the Warrior 900 hotline will be identical to that of the Hulk 900 hotline. Likewise, documentation for this will follow in writing within one week.
I regret the turmoil you've put yourself though and your agonizing over what you feel is fair compensation. And even though we have a difference of opinion over some of these matters, I am resolved to work with you in the same honest and equitable way that I always have. Furthermore, I would like to express to you my deepest appreciation and admiration for you as a performer, as a member of the WWF family, as a man and as my friend.
Vince
 
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