Jason Schreier: GOW Ragnarok Release Date Reveal "cancelled at last minute."

Fredrik said:
Ashes? Torrent? Double jump? Mount combat? Open map? Fast travel, kinda? Crafting too I guess?

There are lots of things that makes it stand out, it's the sum of all things, it really plays like no other Souls game. Which is why there is such a heated discussion among Souls fans if Elden Ring is better or worse than FROM's previous games.

I'd say it's quite literally starting a new sub-genre, open-world soulslike. It only play like previous Souls games when you're in a dungeon so saying it's a Souls game isn't separating it enough from the rest imo.

But this is awful off-topic so let's end this talk.
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So… combining BOTW with souls gameplay, which is what ER is, hence, not innovative.
 
To be honest the leaker bait theory seems more rational to me than the Supreme Court ruling. I know the Supreme Court ruling is controversial but it's nothing compared to the whole incident with George Floyd.

I really don't like talking politics so I'll just end that I don't believe Sony delayed it for political reasons.
 
ChiefDada said:
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Jason's insight here makes it seem like PS5 was possibly the original target platform. I do empathize with PS4 owners who are still searching for PS5, but as a PS5 owner desperate for more next gen features, I can't deny this puts a smile on my face, and likely SlimySnake SlimySnake as well lol.

I still believe those obnoxious (but understandable) traversal slowdowns will be eliminated from PS5 version entirely, which would be game changing in and of itself.
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A developer who worked on the game was on MLiD stated that they began development immediately after the release of the first game, and that the engine was up and running on the PS4.

He also stated they cranked up things on the PS5 version like using tessellation and higher resolution textures.

As for the PS4 version, no doubt the scope is too big for the console, even through that's what it began development on. so it's likely a large scale optimisation effort by developers.
 
MasterCornholio said:
To be honest the leaker bait theory seems more rational to me than the Supreme Court ruling. I know the Supreme Court ruling is controversial but it's nothing compared to the whole incident with George Floyd.

I really don't like talking politics so I'll just end that I don't believe Sony delayed it for political reasons.
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I don't think it was actually happening at all.
 
MasterCornholio said:
To be honest the leaker bait theory seems more rational to me than the Supreme Court ruling. I know the Supreme Court ruling is controversial but it's nothing compared to the whole incident with George Floyd.

I really don't like talking politics so I'll just end that I don't believe Sony delayed it for political reasons.
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That Supreme Court conspiracy theory never made any sense lol games wouldn't be delayed because of that.
 
rofif said:
15k people - when are you going to release the damn game?
2 trolls - sends dick pics (supposedly, nobody saw that) - OH THE DRAMA!!! YOU ALL PEOPLE NEED TO CALM DOWN YOU ARE ALL TOXIC WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US.
What clowns
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Like I said all drama is made up. 15k people bitching about a release date seems overly dramatic compared to unsolicited dick pics. Is the 2 number assumed or confirmed?
 
Bait doesnt make sense for the snitch since he seems to work for youtube or has access to their backend. That would only hurt his credibility but as soon as they release another trailer for another game or state of play he will be right again.
 
I don't doubt at all that they delayed it because of that Roe thing because I can totally see certain employees over there acting like they can't do their job over it. So stupid.
 
Mercenary09 said:
I don't doubt at all that they delayed it because of that Roe thing because I can totally see certain employees over there acting like they can't do their job over it. So stupid.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there is still massive internal pressure to get rid of Jimbo.
 
Mercenary09 said:
I don't doubt at all that they delayed it because of that Roe thing because I can totally see certain employees over there acting like they can't do their job over it. So stupid.
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Yet... nothing changes in their state via the ruling.

Anyhow, I call BS, the ruling was last Friday. It's just more slimy shit of injecting politics into gaming. Creier's specialty.
 
TheRedRiders said:
A developer who worked on the game was on MLiD stated that they began development immediately after the release of the first game, and that the engine was up and running on the PS4.

He also stated they cranked up things on the PS5 version like using tessellation and higher resolution textures.

As for the PS4 version, no doubt the scope is too big for the console, even through that's what it began development on. so it's likely a large scale optimisation effort by developers.
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Yeah I saw that episode and I recall the dev explaining how they're relying heavily on streaming things in and out; fidelity aspects such as textures and geometry tessellation can be scaled easily enough, I would assume. I can't think of a better game to showcase the PS5 I/O tech than God of War with it's no camera cut approach, and that's the big area where I could imagine developers having significant pains trying to make it work on PS4, as this would have a direct impact on gameplay/pacing.

The conundrum for Sony is you can't trumpet the speed of your next gen console and keep the slowdowns in PS5 version of GoW sequel. But since they've decided to go cross gen with Ragnarok for business reasons, they have to deal with these cross gen pains. As a consumer, I'm fine with that. There's nothing inherently evil about cross gen. It only becomes an issue when game companies become greedy by limiting the higher spec console to capabilities of its predecessor.
 
ChiefDada said:
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Jason's insight here makes it seem like PS5 was possibly the original target platform. I do empathize with PS4 owners who are still searching for PS5, but as a PS5 owner desperate for more next gen features, I can't deny this puts a smile on my face, and likely SlimySnake SlimySnake as well lol.

I still believe those obnoxious (but understandable) traversal slowdowns will be eliminated from PS5 version entirely, which would be game changing in and of itself.
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The game was last gen from the start man. it looks literally identical to the first.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Yet... nothing changes in their state via the ruling.

Anyhow, I call BS, the ruling was last Friday. It's just more slimy shit of injecting politics into gaming. Creier's specialty.
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Maybe so but I saw one of the PlayStation Blog social media ladies going off about it on Twitter. Their employees will raise a fuss about it whether it affects them or not.
 
SlimySnake said:
The game was last gen from the start man. it looks literally identical to the first.
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Lol graphics always comes together toward the end of dev cycle, Ragnarok will look more impressive than Horizon 2.

Also, I'm speaking more towards leveraging streaming for PS5 version. God of War Ragnarok with single shot and zero artificial slowdown/loading is next gen, period. I don't see how any reasonable person could disagree.
 
ChiefDada said:
Lol graphics always comes together toward the end of dev cycle, Ragnarok will look more impressive than Horizon 2.

Also, I'm speaking more towards leveraging streaming for PS5 version. God of War Ragnarok with single shot and zero artificial slowdown/loading is next gen, period. I don't see how any reasonable person could disagree.
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You're wasting your time.
 
ChiefDada said:
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Jason's insight here makes it seem like PS5 was possibly the original target platform. I do empathize with PS4 owners who are still searching for PS5, but as a PS5 owner desperate for more next gen features, I can't deny this puts a smile on my face, and likely SlimySnake SlimySnake as well lol.

I still believe those obnoxious (but understandable) traversal slowdowns will be eliminated from PS5 version entirely, which would be game changing in and of itself.
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The reason they will need to optimise for ps4 is because it will be pushing it so hard. Ps5 will be pushing this cross gen game a lot easier I bet. Will be interesting to see the differences.
 
Salz01 said:
Schreier is part of the problem. Always has been, and as long as people give him any attention, will continue to be.
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The guy that has given us plenty of inside info like the TLoU remake existing is part of what problem?

SlimySnake said:
The game was last gen from the start man. it looks literally identical to the first.
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The game already looked better than the first with more than a year left of its development. Then it looked even better this year during those accessibility options videos. I'm sure once optimization is complete it'll be jawdropping on PS5
 
DenchDeckard said:
The reason they will need to optimise for ps4 is because it will be pushing it so hard. Ps5 will be pushing this cross gen game a lot easier I bet. Will be interesting to see the differences.
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The PS5 will probably have a much better 60FPS mode then the PS4. I think 30FPS will be fine on the PS4 version.
 
Swift_Star said:
I'm hoping for a 40fps mode at launch.
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I just hope it won't be an unoptimised mess on day one like forbidden west was You can tell this cross gen stage is hurting these releases a bit. Like Miles Morales and Forbidden West were the only 2 games to ever crash my PS5.

If the PS4 is giving them trouble, delay that one for a few months and not on PS5. Imagine if that's the version that's dragging development down right now lmao
 
Swift_Star said:
You haven't seen the final build, stop saying nonsense.
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This final build talk never works, it's going to look pretty much like the trailer we saw and that's absolutely fine. The 2018 game was released on PC this year and it still looked great, there is no need for any massive leap in graphics. Even many years later very few games look better than GoW 2018.
 
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nominedomine said:
This final build talk never works, it's going to look pretty much like the trailer we saw and that's absolutely fine. The 2018 game was released on PC this year and it still looked great, there is no need for any massive leap in graphics. Even many years later very few games look better than GoW 2018.
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Yeah unless it dropped cross-gen support expect it to look the same and possibly worse.
 
DeepEnigma said:
If you say so.
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Being a consumer who owns all of the games in the discussion (including Returnal which HFW does look better than) I do.
And the retail release took a major hit compared to the early footage. Underwater for example is almost a generational difference.
 
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ChiefDada said:
Lol graphics always comes together toward the end of dev cycle, Ragnarok will look more impressive than Horizon 2.

Also, I'm speaking more towards leveraging streaming for PS5 version. God of War Ragnarok with single shot and zero artificial slowdown/loading is next gen, period. I don't see how any reasonable person could disagree.
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GOW 1 looked pretty much identical to its first trailer. HFW looked way worse than its first trailer. TLOU2 looked worse than its original gameplay reveal. Uncharted 4 looked worse than its original trailer and wasnt even 60 fps. Ghost looked worse too. I admire the optimism but these games get downgraded way more often than they are upgraded, and the upgrades are so minor you have to zoom in to tell the difference DF style.

GOWR didnt even come close to matching HFW gameplay reveal let alone its original trailer reveal. Unless they did a complete graphical overhaul swapping out last gen character models and assets for next gen ones it's going to look fairly similiar to the original reveal. This game will always be limited by the PS4 hardware just like HFW was. We all expected incredible visuals they showed in the original reveal but they simply couldnt be done on the PS4 so even though they had the original trailer running on the PS5, they ended up removing all of those fancy graphics in the PS5 version too.
 
S0ULZB0URNE said:
Being a consumer who owns all of the games in the discussion (including Returnal which is looks better than) I do.
And the retail release took a major hit compared to the early footage. Underwater for example is almost a generational difference.
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I own them all too. And I disagree. The foliage and moss, IQ, etc, alone on the PS5 looks far better than the PS4.
 
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SlimySnake said:
GOW 1 looked pretty much identical to its first trailer. HFW looked way worse than its first trailer. TLOU2 looked worse than its original gameplay reveal. Uncharted 4 looked worse than its original trailer and wasnt even 60 fps. Ghost looked worse too. I admire the optimism but these games get downgraded way more often than they are upgraded, and the upgrades are so minor you have to zoom in to tell the difference DF style.

GOWR didnt even come close to matching HFW gameplay reveal let alone its original trailer reveal. Unless they did a complete graphical overhaul swapping out last gen character models and assets for next gen ones it's going to look fairly similiar to the original reveal. This game will always be limited by the PS4 hardware just like HFW was. We all expected incredible visuals they showed in the original reveal but they simply couldnt be done on the PS4 so even though they had the original trailer running on the PS5, they ended up removing all of those fancy graphics in the PS5 version too.
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Watch it certain people will think you are trolling
 
SlimySnake said:
GOW 1 looked pretty much identical to its first trailer. HFW looked way worse than its first trailer. TLOU2 looked worse than its original gameplay reveal. Uncharted 4 looked worse than its original trailer and wasnt even 60 fps. Ghost looked worse too. I admire the optimism but these games get downgraded way more often than they are upgraded, and the upgrades are so minor you have to zoom in to tell the difference DF style.

GOWR didnt even come close to matching HFW gameplay reveal let alone its original trailer reveal. Unless they did a complete graphical overhaul swapping out last gen character models and assets for next gen ones it's going to look fairly similiar to the original reveal. This game will always be limited by the PS4 hardware just like HFW was. We all expected incredible visuals they showed in the original reveal but they simply couldnt be done on the PS4 so even though they had the original trailer running on the PS5, they ended up removing all of those fancy graphics in the PS5 version too.
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I though gamers have move on from this bullshit narrative.
 
SlimySnake said:
GOW 1 looked pretty much identical to its first trailer. HFW looked way worse than its first trailer. TLOU2 looked worse than its original gameplay reveal. Uncharted 4 looked worse than its original trailer and wasnt even 60 fps. Ghost looked worse too. I admire the optimism but these games get downgraded way more often than they are upgraded, and the upgrades are so minor you have to zoom in to tell the difference DF style.

GOWR didnt even come close to matching HFW gameplay reveal let alone its original trailer reveal. Unless they did a complete graphical overhaul swapping out last gen character models and assets for next gen ones it's going to look fairly similiar to the original reveal. This game will always be limited by the PS4 hardware just like HFW was. We all expected incredible visuals they showed in the original reveal but they simply couldnt be done on the PS4 so even though they had the original trailer running on the PS5, they ended up removing all of those fancy graphics in the PS5 version too.
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This is some bullshit, bringing back the Uncharted tech demo from early PS4 days. At least try to disguise your intention.

You acting like the game looking like the trailer they've showed would be this huge disappointment, lmao.
 
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