Jennette McCurdy (iCarly) Dating Andre Drummond

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I understand why people always make a big deal out of this, always turn it into a race issue but oh well. It's utterly predictable.

Heaven forbid they actually genuinely like each other. You know like couples are likely to do.
 
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/hh-fam/cps2010.html

Married couples of white women / black men: ~390,000
Married couples of white men / black women: ~168,000

This makes the latter only ~2.5x more common rather than 3x more common.

Damn. And IIRC that isn't even nearly as bad as the interracial dating stats that OKCupid released.

My guess would be it has something to do with the shitty way the media portrays black females and fails to highlight their natural features as being desirable. Like, I'd say in general you're more likely to find a black dude on the cover something like GQ than a black woman on Maxim, and even then she'd have her hair straightened and her skin lightened.
 
I understand why people always make a big deal out of this, always turn it into a race issue but oh well. It's utterly predictable.

Heaven forbid they actually genuinely like each other. You know like couples are likely to do.
It can't be that, there must be an explanation. Some key to unlocking this puzzle.

What is her relationship with her father?
 
Pic took me back to this one.

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I can't stop laughing
 
Damn. And IIRC that isn't even nearly as bad as the interracial dating stats that OKCupid released.

My guess would be it has something to do with the shitty way the media portrays black females and fails to highlight their natural features as being desirable. Like, I'd say in general you're more likely to find a black dude on the cover something like GQ than a black woman on Maxim, and even then she'd have her hair straightened and her skin lightened.

sometimes it seems that black women have it rough.
 
Man some shit you can just pick up on. You can look at certain Asian girls and just know they refuse to date Asian dudes.
I've got an Asian friend (well he is a mixture of Vietnamese/Filipino though he looks like he is from the Far East) who refuses to date Asian girls. He said he would only ever date/marry a white [British] girl. His current girlfriend is actually white though.

I've never understood why people would block out entire races (especially their own).
 
I didn't know who either of these people were, but it was obvious as soon as I saw their picture what this thread would be about.

Trying to rescue the thread from the awful Zozz and ShadySpace posts: why do people think that black man / white woman is so much more popular and common in society than black woman / white man? The statistical differences are stark.

When you have a society that defines the standard for beauty as one particular set of features i.e. white your going to have a majority of men have their definition of beauty fall in line with this train of thought. So you end having some non white men (not all) who view dating a white women as a high level of achievement. They can still find women of their own culture attractive, but white women are a bonus.

In many threads on GAF posters have stated that they just are not attracted to black women. There are always the standouts who have more European features, but for the most part most just feel they are not attracted. This can also most likely fall in line with the reasons non white males want to date white women. Because it is what they have been conditioned to believe the standard for beauty is.
 
I've got an Asian friend (well he is a mixture of Vietnamese/Filipino though he looks like he is from the Far East) who refuses to date Asian girls. He said he would only ever date/marry a white [British] girl. His current girlfriend is actually white though.

I've never understood why people would block out entire races (especially their own).
I remember seeing a show where some Asian guy said to never date Asian women. Something about you will never be good enough. They are rather needy or something I dunno.
 
When you have a society that defines the standard for beauty as one particular set of features i.e. white your going to have a majority of men have their definition of beauty fall in line with this train of thought. So you end having some non white men (not all) who view dating a white women as a high level of achievement. They can still find women of their own culture attractive, but white women are a bonus.

Why wouldn't this work the other way as well, then? That is, if black women are not considered attractive because they do not fit the Caucasian standards of beauty, then don't black men also not fit the Caucasian standards of beauty? If this doesn't work in reverse, why not?

In many threads on GAF posters have stated that they just are not attracted to black women. There are always the standouts who have more European features, but for the most part most just feel they are not attracted. This can also most likely fall in line with the reasons non white males want to date white women. Because it is what they have been conditioned to believe the standard for beauty is.

Okay, let's say that's true (I wouldn't personally know, I don't frequent many of the dating threads). So why aren't female posters (on this site or any other) saying they "just aren't attracted to black men" with the same proportional frequency? I'm not saying I don't understand your logic: I think culturally ingrained racial biases do indeed make people more likely to say something like "I'm less attracted to black people." What I'm trying to find out is why that's more true when talking about black women than it is when talking about black men.
 
When you have a society that defines the standard for beauty as one particular set of features i.e. white your going to have a majority of men have their definition of beauty fall in line with this train of thought. So you end having some non white men (not all) who view dating a white women as a high level of achievement. They can still find women of their own culture attractive, but white women are a bonus.

In many threads on GAF posters have stated that they just are not attracted to black women. There are always the standouts who have more European features, but for the most part most just feel they are not attracted. This can also most likely fall in line with the reasons non white males want to date white women. Because it is what they have been conditioned to believe the standard for beauty is.
Isn't there science behind what actual beauty can be though? I recall reading that blonde hair was evolution to attract mates. Sorta like how certain animals with brighter colors are more capable of attracting mates. I'm sure you can Google it. I'm mobile atm though.
 
Don't yall remember that white guy who was accused of kidnapping his own biracial daughters? Racist shit. Why is it so hard to see a light skinned man as myself with a woman of color?
 
It's because white women are overwhelmingly sexualized, idealized in mainstream culture much more so than black women whereas black women are really only given the same treatment in black culture.

Black women don't get anything close lol
 
Why wouldn't this work the other way as well, then? That is, if black women are not considered attractive because they do not fit the Caucasian standards of beauty, then don't black men also not fit the Caucasian standards of beauty? If this doesn't work in reverse, why not?



Okay, let's say that's true (I wouldn't personally know, I don't frequent many of the dating threads). So why aren't female posters (on this site or any other) saying they "just aren't attracted to black men" with the same proportional frequency? I'm not saying I don't understand your logic: I think culturally ingrained racial biases do indeed make people more likely to say something like "I'm less attracted to black people." What I'm trying to find out is why that's more true when talking about black women than it is when talking about black men.

Men don't have the same hill to climb when getting into relationships.

You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league as long as you have confidence and know how women want to be treated.

You do have women who say "I would never date a black guy", but more often than not its because of the social stigma that surrounds it, not because of something as simple as looks.
 
Men don't have the same hill to climb when getting into relationships.

You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league as long as you have confidence and know how women want to be treated.

You do have women who say "I would never date a black guy", but more often than not its because of the social stigma that surrounds it, not because of something as simple as looks.

Yup. I guarantee you that if the social stigma was absolutely zero, white/black relationships would equal if not surpass intraracial relationships.
 
Men don't have the same hill to climb when getting into relationships.

You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league as long as you have confidence and know how women want to be treated.

You do have women who say "I would never date a black guy", but more often than not its because of the social stigma that surrounds it, not because of something as simple as looks.

And on top of this, there are aspects of black manhood that are still presented as desirable in the mainstream (if often questionably) that don't have to do with traditional beauty standards, whereas black womanhood does not receive the same treatment.
 
Okay, then why are Asian men considerably less successful at finding white women than White men are at finding Asian women?

This could likely fall into the other factors on what is desirable to women, one of them is height, and if im not mistaken Asian men tend to be shorter.

And as Labor posted there are qualities in black men, especially black athletes that are desirable and also fetishized by the media.
 
I'm not sure I follow this. Are you saying that because white man/black woman is considered permissible, it's actually nearly 3x less common? That seems unlikely, to me, as a primary motivator.

What do you mean by "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

Where there's smoke, meaning the bm\ww pairings get all of the controversy and exposure. That it gets talked about more often, and thought about more often, and since it's on the minds of more people and it's the "dangerous and forbidden love" that it happens more often. It's the situation that is more socially charged. People assume there's fire, and people end up helping to actually creating it as a result. Even the people actively fighting it. Want people to do something? Tell them that it's wrong.

With bw/wm pairings it's almost an afterthought. There's an undercurrent of, 'these women are undesirables', where in reverse it's 'the undesirables are taking our women'. So factors suppress even thinking about it. And when it does occur, it's still a 'more power to him/them' situation, where as a dominant social class member, low chances anyone is going to call him a race traitor, or comment on how he's less desirable now. It's less about permissibility than active choice. He's exerting his will, doing what he wants in life, and it isn't seen as an encroachment or revenge against white people or her getting back at her father or any of the things that get said or thought about bm\ww pairings. He just wants to date a black woman and none can say anything against him. In fact he's a better man for it. No one looks at the black guy and says "well I guess he's obviously not a racist". He's conquering white women with his violent sex powers.

And no one gives a damn what the black man thinks. He could cherish her like a flower, but to the world it's all about King Kong. Black women and white men, they've just "found love in a world set against them". That's the image on repeat in the minds of the world. Sex dynamics also come into play, who is the usual initiator, who would be more receptive, etc. And back to exposure, black women get very little of it. White women are the focus in bm\ww. And I think with bw\wm, that men play the primary, and at least subconsciously, we assume she wasn't the initiator. In the opposite, the initiator is less relevant than the fact that the white woman allows the relationship to happen.

In other words, I blame television, and society.
 
This could likely fall into the other factors on what is desirable to women, one of them is height, and if im not mistaken Asian men tend to be shorter.

Yes, Asian men are shorter, on average. But I thought men seek out women, rather than the other way around? Using your words: "You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league." It seems like your position in this post and the one before it are contradictory.

And as Labor posted there are qualities in black men, especially black athletes that are desirable and also fetishized by the media.

I see. So Black men have it easier than black women in this regard? (while of course white men and women have it easier than either).
 
Asian men are shorter, on average, as you stated. But I thought men seek out women, rather than the other way around? Using your words: "You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league." These seem contradictory.

I was referring to looks in that regard because you asked why a black man wouldn't have the same problems as a black women in regards to attractiveness.

But as far as the scope of dating you will have more success if you possess traits that are desirable. With men its easier to attract a women if you are tall, and physically fit.

There are always other factors such as personality and wealth, but having the desired physical traits just makes it easier.

And to dive further into the Asian man White women percentages, do Asian men have the same issues when it comes to standards of beauty? Asian women tend to be fetishized by white men, so they are seen as desirable by society.
 
Every Asian girl I point out to my Asian friends are ugly. Every Asian girl they point out to me are cute but I see nothing special. I'm guessing the standards must vary.
 
Yes, Asian men are shorter, on average. But I thought men seek out women, rather than the other way around? Using your words: "You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league." It seems like your position in this post and the one before it are contradictory.



I see. So Black men have it easier than black women in this regard? (while of course white men and women have it easier than either).

No because if the majority are disadvantaged, even if a minority might go further to get what they want, it doesn't change the facts about the majority.
 
Yup. I guarantee you that if the social stigma was absolutely zero, white/black relationships would equal if not surpass intraracial relationships.

This is completely wrong. While social stigma has a lot to do with it, you don't take into account population levels, upbringing, genetics, socioeconomic status, nor do you even mention media portrayals and who is in the dominant political, cultural and economic positions of power.
 
Why wouldn't this work the other way as well, then? That is, if black women are not considered attractive because they do not fit the Caucasian standards of beauty, then don't black men also not fit the Caucasian standards of beauty? If this doesn't work in reverse, why not?

US media is a big factor for this "beauty standard" and black males have a much stronger and positive media presence than black females, even within black targeted media.
 
Opiate, a lamb lies down on broadway, bruh. Was I more or less clear this time?

People lost their minds.

I was gonna say "wow, she's cute, who is she", but then I googled and am reading the comments on DM. Anyone who says anything nice is downvoted, and anyone calling it PC propaganda or claiming he's using her for a green card gets upvoted.
 
Yes, Asian men are shorter, on average. But I thought men seek out women, rather than the other way around? Using your words: "You can be a troll of a man and land a women who is way out of your league." It seems like your position in this post and the one before it are contradictory.



I see. So Black men have it easier than black women in this regard? (while of course white men and women have it easier than either).

Stereotypes.
Expectations.
Social interaction.
The sexualization and beauty standards of this race of women/men vs that one.

The two biggest single groups are asian men and black women no? Think about how they tend to be portrayed in media and it makes even more sense.
 
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