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Jez Corden - "I've been told that Microsoft is actively working with Capcom to fix MT Framework issues on Xbox"
diffusionx
Gold Member
The question is does Capcom think it is worth it to keep maintaining Xbox support in the engine and to keep porting games. Evidently not and they've been okay with it. If Xbox sold as many systems as PS they would have done it. I highly doubt MS will be willing to maintain their engine for them.
And yea, paying for exclusivity on SF5 (even though the game sucked at launch) and buying EVO were brilliant moves by Sony.
And yea, paying for exclusivity on SF5 (even though the game sucked at launch) and buying EVO were brilliant moves by Sony.
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ManaByte
Member
No the reality is Capcom doesn't have a MT pipeline for Xbox anymore. So it's a technical reason.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
sure buddy
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
But if Xbox was selling millions more consoles and was market leader or at least a significant player surely the economics would make sense to do the work. So it's a business decision. The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
So what they're saying is buy all the BC stuff now before 7/29 and it might eventually work. Maybe.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Per DF and the latest patch, it's pretty much fixed.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
They’re probably going to go with even more than 2 consoles and let third parties build them.
West Texas CEO
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
My face when;
SKYF@ll
Member
The image quality of the RE Engine is too soft, so I hope it will be improved.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Street Fighter 6 uses Unreal Engine doesn't it?
Also LOL @ implying MS ever had a grip on FGC
Also LOL @ implying MS ever had a grip on FGC
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
No, it uses RE Engine.
MikeM
Gold Member
Right? Play Anywhere does have consequences when you make your home box unappealing to buy over the others.
fudgybrownie
Member
This dude knows nothing. The game will already be on 4 systems. Capcom don't care.
intbal
Member
These are my images after the latest patch.
First is a crop of a native 4K image
Those strange looking line-pairs existed at launch, but they were vertically aligned. It seems all Capcom did was rotate the pattern.
Here is a closeup of the pattern
Unless they've released a new patch in the last three weeks, this is how the game will still present on Xbox.
SneakersSO
Member
Hah - fun fact; the issues have nothing to do with MT Framework. There are MT Framework titles that are on XSS and XSX. I'm sure SVC: Chaos also ran on MT Framework, huh Jez?
Seriously, when are folks going to stop listening to a word this man says? I'd be more understanding if he did anything but just invent things out of whole cloth to simply defend MS.
Seriously, when are folks going to stop listening to a word this man says? I'd be more understanding if he did anything but just invent things out of whole cloth to simply defend MS.
SneakersSO
Member
SF6 uses RE Engine, Capcom's in-house engine for most/all of their current and future titles. It is an evolution of MT Framework.
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SneakersSO
Member
Funny you should say this, cause I know now that, had certain publishers been made aware that MS' situation in the market was going to become this dire this quickly, they wouldn't have released certain ongoing GAAS titles on the platform, given just how absolutely little the returns have been, and they aren't alone in their thinking.
If Jez feels that he needs to be point man on every 3rd party game that decides to skip Xbox, then hes gonna be unbelievably busy in 2025 and 2026. I get the feeling the fans will get the message long before Jez gives up thinking he is some media attack dog for MS on the topic of dropping software support for the console.
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SneakersSO
Member
Not long after a few titles started skipping Xbox, a few folks start speculating baselessly that it was due to MT Framework. This is just demonstrably not true, for a number of reasons.
At the end of the day, if Capcom felt it was financially viable to release the games that skipped Xbox (and do trust - more titles from other publishers as well as Capcom will increasingly begin skipping the platform) on the current Xbox platform, they'd do everything in their power to release on the console. Its simple economics really.
Also - MT Framework itself is the predecessor to RE Engine. One was built on top of the other, much like UE3->UE4->UE5.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's been a weird and unsubstantiated thing that MT Framework doesn't work well with modern Xbox consoles, makes no sense as there's multiple games both of the gen and BC which are MT Framework and run just fine on Xbox.
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Black_Stride
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bitbydeath
Member
Even if it were true we already know this is MS’s last console. It’s a non-issue that will resolve itself in 2-3 years when they switch to a PC OEM.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Darkness_Arises
Member
That's DF the great graphical analysts for you missing loads of such stuff since last gen. It was really easy for them when the 360 was the console of choice for 3rd party games.These are my images after the latest patch.
First is a crop of a native 4K image
Those strange looking line-pairs existed at launch, but they were vertically aligned. It seems all Capcom did was rotate the pattern.
Here is a closeup of the pattern
Unless they've released a new patch in the last three weeks, this is how the game will still present on Xbox.
WildBoy
Member
So why isn't cod on switch? It makes economic sense. So why not? Why isn't genshin impact?
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Business reasons. It makes economic sense now but Activision didn't foresee the success that Switch would have. I think Bobby Kottick said in the MS deal investigation that it was a mistake not to and that they probably would in the future.
I would say that this is also possibly a case of false equivalency, Switch uses a significantly different architecture to other consoles this gen and last and Nintendo were coming off the back of a failed console. These factors are not the case for Xbox.
demigod
Member
Leave it to manabyte to shill for xbox in every thread instead of calling them out.
Jez probably saw Jawmunchers post on reeeeee and ran with it, both idiots. Thank God you shut this shit down for good once and for all.
CoD released on Wii. A juggernaut in sales console. Doesn't mean COD made bank on Wii. COD is coming to Switch anyway if MS are to be believed.
Is FF14 one of those titles?
cireza
Gold Member
They certainly had until Sony bought out Street Fighter IV and V. People probably like to forget that the 360 was the actual preferred console for SF at the EVO, until SF got locked on PS4 by Sony.
Ultra Street Fighter 4 gets a PS4 patch, but it's not enough for Evo
Ultra Street Fighter 4's launch on PS4 isn't going so well. The new-gen port of Capcom's flagship fighting game is reportedly loaded with glitches and
Sony eventually bought Evo in the end.
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They switched to PS4 on SF4 in 2016. Sony bought Evo in 2021, what are you on about?They certainly had until Sony bought out Street Fighter IV and V. People probably like to forget that the 360 was the actual preferred console for SF at the EVO, until SF got locked on PS4 by Sony.
Ultra Street Fighter 4 gets a PS4 patch, but it's not enough for Evo
Ultra Street Fighter 4's launch on PS4 isn't going so well. The new-gen port of Capcom's flagship fighting game is reportedly loaded with glitches andwww.gamesradar.com
Sony eventually bought Evo in the end.
Astray
Member
Always find it funny when Xbox insiders come out with reassurances like that.
You would think that the guys feeding them that info would actually try to not have issues with decades-old games skipping their platform in the 1st place!
They had in-roads with Killer Instinct and being the default ecosystem due to better online gaming services, but they couldn't see the value of the FGC and eSports scene, and actively fucked with people who were working on that for them, so no wonder Sony pounced.
If you don't compete, don't expect others to give you free favors just because.
You would think that the guys feeding them that info would actually try to not have issues with decades-old games skipping their platform in the 1st place!
It's the Phil Spencer mentality: All Xbox faults have to be laid at the Sony doorstep. Sony has to get written permission from Xbox to do anything apparently.
They had in-roads with Killer Instinct and being the default ecosystem due to better online gaming services, but they couldn't see the value of the FGC and eSports scene, and actively fucked with people who were working on that for them, so no wonder Sony pounced.
If you don't compete, don't expect others to give you free favors just because.
Skifi28
Member
It's the tools.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
This guy lives off of hopium. I also blame Jawmuncher for sewing the seeds for this rumor back in June when they made that Twitter post about it being MT Framework-related. All of these people pretend as if Capcom don't have their own sales data to use as a guide. They do, and they've decided Xbox isn't a good fit for B2P sales of these types of games.
Capcom have the sales numbers to prove this, they also have probably seen data from other publishers of similar titles on Xbox this gen and the last generation, too. For example, they might talk with people at other companies who relay info in private, stuff we wouldn't even know about for years, or decades....or ever.
And of course in the ResetERA thread, fanboys in perpetuity like Vigilante Joker are fighting for Xbox's life trying to back up Jez's rumor, a rumor he's probably basing off a Jawmuncher post which has no validity itself. But I also saw this:
And look, I like Nightdive. I super-appreciate what they're doing for retro PC games like System Shock, we need more of that in the industry. But this take ain't it, chief. The sales ratios you're referring to are probably your own games, in which case yes, the ratios wouldn't look like this. Why? Because the games you guys focus on are FPS titles. FPS games are probably the most popular genre on Xbox in dollars-sense, in fact the genre is likely overrepresented on Xbox relative the install base, compared to other platforms.
Meaning, Xbox will probably have stronger-than-expected sales performance for many of those types of games relative its install base, to make the ratio of such games on it closer to sales ratios on other platforms for those titles. But those are FPS titles; even then, it depends on specific ones. Maybe with your games, Xbox sales ratios are closer to PS, PC & Switch (or maybe even better than Switch in this case), but you're using anecdotal evidence to argue a macro reality that has tons of evidence to counter you.
We've even seen from prior Capcom fiscal reports, that Xbox as a platform has not contributed too greatly towards B2P sales of new releases (be they wholly brand-new games or re-releases of catalog titles), for the past few years now. The same can be said for most Japanese games on the platform, actually. This is context you need to understand (yes I'm aiming this specifically at Edward850).
And you or anyone else can get into a discussion about how much Game Pass might or might not have played into creating a lukewarm B2P market on Xbox consoles for various types of games, but that'd be another conversation.
It's...complicated. I do think he has someone at Microsoft Gaming that will coordinate official news to him a bit early, to help "message" it and put it out publicly. But with that stuff he writes Windows Central articles.
Though, I also feel sometimes these speculations he makes, some of them at least, are done with already getting a "tip" from that type of inside person that something official is heading that way....though a lot of times it a way opposite to what Jez puts out publicly in that speculation. The whole thing with MS going multi-console earlier this year is a perfect example of that.
IMO I think Jez already had word that the rumor was true, and he was to write up an article once MS were ready to make it official. But prior, he just played the role of an Xbox diehard and spoke "for" them, hence why he vehemently refuted the rumor when many others were saying it was likely true. Remember, MS outright use the access media/press to gauge and communicate to the public on their behalf, put out "feelers" for where gamers are leaning, and control public sentiment. There was an article about it earlier this year.
So people like Jez, IMO, are 100% a part of that clique. That's why I won't write off them having any insider info when it comes to MS; I think he does, but not in a way an independent "real" source doing it behind Microsoft's back would. He's very much a controlled plant, a favored one (I'd put others like Tom Warren, Parris and Jeff Grubb in similar territory), and gets fed official stuff "a bit ahead" of when Microsoft wants to make it public so people like him can message it "correctly" to make Microsoft look as favorable as possible.
Capcom have the sales numbers to prove this, they also have probably seen data from other publishers of similar titles on Xbox this gen and the last generation, too. For example, they might talk with people at other companies who relay info in private, stuff we wouldn't even know about for years, or decades....or ever.
And of course in the ResetERA thread, fanboys in perpetuity like Vigilante Joker are fighting for Xbox's life trying to back up Jez's rumor, a rumor he's probably basing off a Jawmuncher post which has no validity itself. But I also saw this:
And look, I like Nightdive. I super-appreciate what they're doing for retro PC games like System Shock, we need more of that in the industry. But this take ain't it, chief. The sales ratios you're referring to are probably your own games, in which case yes, the ratios wouldn't look like this. Why? Because the games you guys focus on are FPS titles. FPS games are probably the most popular genre on Xbox in dollars-sense, in fact the genre is likely overrepresented on Xbox relative the install base, compared to other platforms.
Meaning, Xbox will probably have stronger-than-expected sales performance for many of those types of games relative its install base, to make the ratio of such games on it closer to sales ratios on other platforms for those titles. But those are FPS titles; even then, it depends on specific ones. Maybe with your games, Xbox sales ratios are closer to PS, PC & Switch (or maybe even better than Switch in this case), but you're using anecdotal evidence to argue a macro reality that has tons of evidence to counter you.
We've even seen from prior Capcom fiscal reports, that Xbox as a platform has not contributed too greatly towards B2P sales of new releases (be they wholly brand-new games or re-releases of catalog titles), for the past few years now. The same can be said for most Japanese games on the platform, actually. This is context you need to understand (yes I'm aiming this specifically at Edward850).
And you or anyone else can get into a discussion about how much Game Pass might or might not have played into creating a lukewarm B2P market on Xbox consoles for various types of games, but that'd be another conversation.
It's...complicated. I do think he has someone at Microsoft Gaming that will coordinate official news to him a bit early, to help "message" it and put it out publicly. But with that stuff he writes Windows Central articles.
Though, I also feel sometimes these speculations he makes, some of them at least, are done with already getting a "tip" from that type of inside person that something official is heading that way....though a lot of times it a way opposite to what Jez puts out publicly in that speculation. The whole thing with MS going multi-console earlier this year is a perfect example of that.
IMO I think Jez already had word that the rumor was true, and he was to write up an article once MS were ready to make it official. But prior, he just played the role of an Xbox diehard and spoke "for" them, hence why he vehemently refuted the rumor when many others were saying it was likely true. Remember, MS outright use the access media/press to gauge and communicate to the public on their behalf, put out "feelers" for where gamers are leaning, and control public sentiment. There was an article about it earlier this year.
So people like Jez, IMO, are 100% a part of that clique. That's why I won't write off them having any insider info when it comes to MS; I think he does, but not in a way an independent "real" source doing it behind Microsoft's back would. He's very much a controlled plant, a favored one (I'd put others like Tom Warren, Parris and Jeff Grubb in similar territory), and gets fed official stuff "a bit ahead" of when Microsoft wants to make it public so people like him can message it "correctly" to make Microsoft look as favorable as possible.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
solidus12
Member
Because unlike the PS5, Xbox has the full RDNA2 feature set. Think of it like how the infamous Cell processor needed a lot more work.
/s
cireza
Gold Member
Simply answering to people implying that Xbox never had a role in the FGC. Read the thread.
Which is wrong by the way, as Xbox were forced out by the exclusivity deal between Sony/Capcom to force USFVI and SFV on PS4, including of course the Evo tournament on PS4 while the preferred console was the 360. But it didn't quite happen as expected. Facts.
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I read the thread fine but you said "Sony bought out Street Fighter IV" when they didn't and 360 was preferred until "SF got locked on PS4 by Sony", and "Sony bought Evo". That's all unrelated nonsense and it's clear what you're trying to imply. That PS was somehow forced to be the preferred console for Evo.
SFV was exclusively on PS4 with a deal made 2014 or prior. SFIV though Evo kept using 360 until 2016. The PS4 version of USF4 released in 2015 and even then they used the 360 version because the PS4 port wasn't as stable until it was patched. Has nothing to do with the exclusivity deal for SF5 and nothing to do with them co-owning Evo in 2021. Evo used what was best for the tournament.
cireza
Gold Member
Congratulations you successfully read my post. This is indeed what happened, but the intention from Sony was to enforce playing it on PS4. Reminder that Sony developed this port themselves by the way.
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"Enforce" it how when Evo continued to use 360 even when the PS4 port was out. You're making no sense as usual.