Unspeakable Evil
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Must be the work of an enemy stand.So Koichi and Josuke are the same age huh? How come Josuke is three times as tall?
To fair not like everyone (real life) in high school was the same height.
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable OT What a Beautiful Duwang
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To fair not like everyone (real life) in high school was the same height.
god DP is so great at this
Weren't people saying this dude is Araki's self-insert? So uh...
Koichi was a premature baby and stayed on intensive care for a week.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
He isn't the self insert but there's likely elements of Araki in him. Think he's just a caricature of eccentric mangaka, which is most of them
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Basically you can apply Rohan's spiel about reality and wanting to be read as things that most manga authors likely feel.
So Koichi and Josuke are the same age huh? How come Josuke is three times as tall?
I find that a lot of Japanese media doesn't really care about scale as much as they like things looking appealing. Josuke changes artstyle a lot along with every character in part 4. Early part 4 manga chapters gave Koichi much more believable proportions while Josuke along with Okuyasu and Jotaro were Kenshiro bulked out. They slim down, Koichi becomes more chibi for a bit. The anime is going with the more the stylized Koichi.
Really give part 4's manga a look, it changes art style like every 20 chapters, it's nuts.
Also I quite like Koichi's small stature. I think it fits his character. He is humble and his size demonstrates that. In the manga Hazamada and Tamani were probably more swole or as swole as Josuke but after they become friends with a nice guy like Koichi they are drawn like him. I thought it was a clever us of the medium, these bullies were put in their place and have a more humble nature, so naturally they are Koichi's size. Also Koichi is supposed to remind the viewer of cell saga Gohan who many readers around that time were familiar with because part 4 and The cell saga of DBZ were published alongside eachother in Shonen jump around that time.
NinjaCoachZ
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Takahiro Sakurai is so good as Rohan. He sounds just like an eccentric version of Cloud.
JadedWriter
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Is it just me or does Jonathan Joestar have the weakest pose game?
A british gentleman can't be seen posing on a whim.
JadedWriter
Member
But Dio did it endlessly...
MillionStabs
Banned
Most of the famous Johnathan poses come from manga covers
Dio is no gentleman.
Also in my head cannon DIO is Italian.
BassForever
Member
Someone correct me if I'm wrong
Rohan becomes a part of the main cast with Josuke, Ojimura, and Koichi?
MillionStabs
Banned
He's a shitbag. He made his classmate stab himself and wants to rape Junko. Koichi has poor choice in friends. No dignity. Im going to stop hanging out with him
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Araki has a warped sense of morality.
RubberLuffy
Banned
It's really only over their mutual love of Pink Dark Boy. Plus, Araki has a little bit of fun with him because most readers/viewers are like "Geez, Hazamada is in this episode/chapter? but he's a total shitbag" and then Rohan reads his info and is like "wow you're a shitbag i wouldn't put you in my manga". It's all very meta.
Killer Queen
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Is it ever explained what exactly allows someone to have stand potential?
Honestly the best thing to say is fate.
I mean babies have the willpower to have stands, but Holly doesn't?
Some people have it because they are born that way, some get it because of some sort of trauma sort of like xmen, some get it via the arrow.
No, but it is theorized their ability to pose directly correlates with their stand potential.
Be a badass.
I was wondering that too. Koichi has to be the most forgiving dude in the world to hang out with someone who was trying to murder Jotaro.
RubberLuffy
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Being an asshole and/or crazy, generally.
JadedWriter
Member
But that evil vampire loved his mom.
You have to hate dogs.
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Deleted member 13876
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The Holly plot made less sense to me as more Stand users got introduced in Part 3. Why is she the only one getting killed by her Stand? Why would killing Dio solve her problem and why doesn't it affect any of the other Stand users? And why do they know for a fact that killing Dio will have this effect for her? Did I miss something obvious in those first episodes?
If you look back, most JoJo's made friends with some pretty aggressive men. I mean, Jonathan's best friend was a guy who wanted to separate his head from his body with a hat, and he probably did it to some poor bloke before his redemption!
That's how you become a villain in JoJo.
Just chalk it up to Araki making up the story and stand rules as he went along.
This is how I understand it. When Dio got his powers, every living Jostar descendant also got Stand abilities. Most were able to handle this, but Holly couldn't for reasons. (Maybe Holly's Stand produces Poison or some shit)
Now, why the fuck killing Dio actually fixed anything is never given a good explications. At best it could be as Dio's stand got stronger over time, the Stands of all his descendants also got stronger, and this overwhelmed Holly (And Josuke). By killing him, Holly's stand stopped gaining strength/weakened, and she was able to adapt to it.
But him getting stand abilities is definitely the cause of all the other protagonist getting theirs, and his death stopped this, as evidence by none of the Joestar descendants born after Dio's death having Stand abilities naturally.
EmCeeGramr
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Dio used the arrow on himself to bring out his Stand.
Somehow that caused an effect where Jonathan's descendants, possessing some kind of link to his body (Joseph and Dio were able to feel each other's presence), also were forced to manifest their Stands.
Joseph and Jotaro were able to use their Stands because they had the fighting spirit necessary to use them. Holly and the young Josuke at the time didn't, and they fell ill because as long as Dio was alive, their Stands would keep trying to manifest as a result of this psychic/spiritual link.
Killing Dio caused whatever signal was being sent to stop, meaning the Stands stopped trying to forcibly manifest (Josuke presumably was able to control Crazy Diamond because he matured enough to bring it back out).
Avdol (who had his Stand from birth or from a very young age naturally) said that he had heard of people manifesting their Stands for the first time and dying because of it like Holly's disease. We also see with the Arrow that people struck by it will die unless they possess the potential to use a Stand (Koichi only lived because Josuke healed him, and the result was an immature Stand that had to evolve with Koichi's own spirit).
my guess, which is very flimsy, is that the Arrow being used on Dio had partially the same effect on Jonathan's descendants and they reacted accordingly. for example, Holly would have definitely died if she was shot with the Arrow but she only got the negative effects of the stand because she wasn't pierced directly.
i guess Araki had to get rid of that plotline eventually since, if it was still true by the end, Jotaro, Joseph and Josuke would have lost their Stands. it would have worked if the series ended with Part 3 but, due to continuing, he had to forget some rules on purpose to completely shed all the early baggage.
Regarding Stand loss -
It's probably best to think of Dio's death as suppressing Stands and not actually destroying them.
In other words, killing Dio made no difference to Hermit Purple and Star Platinum because those Stands were already simpatico with their Users; Joseph and Jotaro had enough willpower to sustain their Stands even without Dio's presence.
It suppressed Crazy Diamond and Holly's Stand because those Stands were not simpatico with their Users. Crazy Diamond would reawaken once Josuke developed sufficient spirit. Holly's Stand would not return because she would never develop the proper willpower to draw it forth.
Great write up, but I think the part about Josuke hasn't been revealed yet on the show, not a huge deal but still.
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Deleted member 13876
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Okay, I guess that works.
It has, I remember having that discussion on this thread before. It is a quick throw away line in like the first or 3rd episode. Josuke says he got sick when he was a kid.
Holly's stand may qualify as the worst stand ever, but only if a undeveloped stand could be considered a stand. In which case there are worse.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Araki just really really REALLY wanted to do a dracula tribute.
She could scratch Jotaro's back, or use it to help do generic mom stuff like make Jotaro dinner that he doesn't appreciate.
Ah I wasn't sure, pretty great how that ties in to part 3, EmCeeGramr did a good job clearing things even I wasn't sure on.
Don't worry, I don't think Holly is ever even mentioned for the rest of the series.
Dedication Through Light
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Rohan and Koichi have the most interesting abilities so far. Rohan's seems a bit dumb at first but once it got to the ability to rewrite and stuff it got interesting. Sad that once again Koichi is the one that has to have things just the roughest, but it has made things interesting.
Good character design.
Good character design.
Imagine if a shitbag said he'd take to you to Hirohiko Araki, you'd go along with it just to meet Araki