It's not the cheating that sticks out as much as he sounds like he took advantage of and preened young, likely impressionable fans and actresses.
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Kai Cole, Joss Whedon's Ex-Wife, calls him out as a 'Hypocrite Preaching Feminism'
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It's not the cheating that sticks out as much as he sounds like he took advantage of and preened young, likely impressionable fans and actresses.
Karsticles
Member
Just because you respect the rights of women doesn't mean you have to love all of them.
MooseKnuckles
Banned
Yeah I get that intellectually, I was more talking about the perception of the situation I suppose. Anyone would look bad with these accusations leveled against them, but if you've built part of your professional identity on being a prominent male feminist then it gives the appearance of being incredibly disingenuous.
It is a larger issue though. She doesn't know if he used protection, and even then he still has a chance of passing an STD.
nickinerdface
Banned
wow nerdy dude gets power and money, and turns into a scumbag, i am so surprised!
Faynwulf
Member
So why does everyone just believe his without questioning it?
Knowing very little about this aside from some rumors here and there, this sounds more like a angry ex-wife that tries to ruin the reputation of her ex-husband. Sure she is allowed to be angry if all that is really true. But taking stuff like this to the public always carries some kind of "stink".
Knowing very little about this aside from some rumors here and there, this sounds more like a angry ex-wife that tries to ruin the reputation of her ex-husband. Sure she is allowed to be angry if all that is really true. But taking stuff like this to the public always carries some kind of "stink".
lightskintwin
Banned
Coerce? I never read that. I read her quoting her husband saying he "was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive women."
That's the real problem and what would make him a hypocrite.
Unless I missed it the line was said at the beginning of filming not after it occurred.
It's like if SO became jealous of some person you work with and you try to brush it off like "Nothing will ever happen, we are just friends".....welp. So I sort of agree with others here that I don't see how it relates to feminism at all.
You could say this in a vacuum, I guess, but the fact is that he was a man in power in a male dominated field, having affairs with women on the project he's leading. And he somehow felt like he could get away with it, and the wife at home didn't need to know?
Also notice how he described the problem as being that he's too good and the women are the flawed and 'needy', 'aggressive' ones.
You have a very limited definition of feminism if you think it doesn't include women (and everyone really) having the right to make informed decisions about their bodies in sexual situations.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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lightskintwin
Banned
DrunkShogun
Member
I can believe what she's saying but can only judge on his content from releases to release.
Many feminist issues are public health issues. They aren't mutually exclusive. Feminism isn't just concerned about women, by the way.
Twilight Princess
Member
How many guys can resist it tho?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The show Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce has a cheating director husband character who is having an affair with a 20 year old actress, who is the star of a CW show about vampire hunting. I always suspected it was some low-key tea spillage because the showrunner of Girlfriend's Guide is Marti Nixon who...*drumroll* was a producer on Buffy. I just never imagined it might be about Joss. But who knows.
Big fan of Whedon, I'd hate to find out he's been doing some dirt.
Big fan of Whedon, I'd hate to find out he's been doing some dirt.
Ordinaryundone
Member
Honestly question, if someone wants to sleep with you because you are famous/talented or they think it will help them advance their career, are you to blame for doing it? Whedon isn't exactly Mick Jagger but I don't doubt he legitimately had people interested in him just for being himself or for being in charge of so many projects, no "grooming" required.
Like, telling an actress they have to sleep with you or they won't get a part is one thing, but what if it's initiated by the "less powerful" party? Is it the more powerful's responsibility to deny regardless of circumstance because of the dynamic?
lightskintwin
Banned
entremet
Member
Just like sports stars and politicians, no?
Joss shouldve been honest and separated from his wife if he wanted to play the field with consensual relationships. But I dont think temperament has anything to do with it.
I can believe it.
The business with Charisma was always sketchy as Hell. There was always something off about how he talked about Hannigan and Acker. And his work has... problematic tendencies at points.
You cannot be a decent feminist if you don't treat consent and bodily autonomy as sacrosanct. Yes, this means there are bad feminists out there, but I've been calling Joss a bad feminist based on his writing for years.
Pinko Marx
Banned
That's one way of looking at it. Or it could be that Whedon being a trendy guy at the time was surrounded by actresses that saw an opportunity and pursued it to the point of looking aggressive and/or needy. This isn't a comdemnation of all women, or even all the women Whedon interacted with, it was just something he encountered a lot.
That's just how I read it. Bad diction, sure, but this again is coming from an ex-wife so...
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Yes? The propositioned party is still at liberty to deny sexual advances.
Stop? Seriously? Yes, if a woman cheats on her man and knowingly exposes him to an STD in doing so yeah, if say she's being a terrible feminist in this case.
Especially given these are younger actresses. It's unprofessional to be the showrunner and married and bang actresses you cast/random fans.
Ditto.
Unprofessional sure, but don't really see the feminism angle.
SlowRevolution
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I mean, you can be a feminist and still be a shitty person who cheats all the time.
Ordinaryundone
Member
I know that, but are you suggesting that Whedon (or any famous person) should turn down ANY advances from anyone who works in the same field or claims to be a fan?
lightskintwin
Banned
Married guy writing a show about empowered women who uses his position to possibly bang said actresses?
That is literally patriarchalism.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
I think it's more to do with him abusing the Hollywood power structure "all of a sudden I'm a hot shot producer" as leverage to bang women that are "aggressive" in their careers?
The greek mythos thing suggests barely legal.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
If true, yeah, scumbag thing to do.
IMO, Joss hasn't really been a fantastic feminist writer. Difference between him and most others in the industry, is that he's open about proclaiming to be one, which makes people overanalyze and overestimate his content.
FFS, Kevin Smith is in a lot of ways a better writer when it comes to portraying good female characters, but he doesn't talk about it so no one cares.
But with that said, IMO cheating on your wife doesn't make you less of a feminist. Still not a good feminist writer, but overall he's the same dude.
IMO, Joss hasn't really been a fantastic feminist writer. Difference between him and most others in the industry, is that he's open about proclaiming to be one, which makes people overanalyze and overestimate his content.
FFS, Kevin Smith is in a lot of ways a better writer when it comes to portraying good female characters, but he doesn't talk about it so no one cares.
But with that said, IMO cheating on your wife doesn't make you less of a feminist. Still not a good feminist writer, but overall he's the same dude.
Escape Goat
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Like sand through an hourglass...
WhateverItTakes
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It's totally your responsibility. If they're associated with a project you have power over, then you should try and be professional about it. You at least have to take ownership of the fact it'll look sleazy. This all aside to the fact he was cheating on his wife.
Maybe not but if they're running around his set maybe he shouldn't be thinking about his dick first and foremost.
Billy_Pilgrim
Member
Rich man with cool job in becoming attractive to women outside of his league for first time sex shocker
Okay congratulations? Did you think you knew everything there was to know about the many different ways feminism is interpreted?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Especially when they're freshly ex.
Also, Marti Noxon ruined Buffy pretty much single-handedly.