Oh, I think it's pretty obvious...
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Kai Cole, Joss Whedon's Ex-Wife, calls him out as a 'Hypocrite Preaching Feminism'
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Oh, I think it's pretty obvious...
AuthenticM
Member
Why are we talking about STDs? There's nothing in the OP that says Joss might have given STDs to anyone.
lightskintwin
Banned
It does both.
Now I wonder if Perlmutter wasn't the only reason the MCU has been such a sausage fest so far.
Joss is definitely a milkshake duck for me now.
frustrating that it always goes back to claiming that the woman can't be trusted 🙄
People can be feminists and I'm pretty sure most feminists are people
Overall its clear he lacks respect for women.
People can be feminists and I'm pretty sure most feminists are people
Overall its clear he lacks respect for women.
Yes, the wife specifically calls out that because she didn't know of his cheating, she continued to sleep with him, and she has no idea if he was protected during his cheating episodes or if he brought home STDs with him. That is violating bodily autonomy, he introduced risk without giving her a chance to decline that risk.
Sucker Punch tho.
nickinerdface
Banned
oh geez
I don't think you're looking at the male privilege angle of this.
The point of this story is that Whedon tries to wear a feminist brand when he's survived on a wishy-washy career for so long because of a strong male privilege working for him in his life and job. Personally, I'd take the feminist claims more seriously if he did much more for it than cast women he's interested in having sex with.
She might write she didnt, but she probably did. She liked staying married to him and the perks that came along with it.
Again?
Ha ha, wow.
The secret is.... I'm ALWAYS thirsty?
Maybe you want to go back to my posts in threads about cheating where I talk about this very thing. Just because I wasn't using the hashtag #feminism doesn't mean it isn't an opinion informed by it.
If you want to really go into it, my position of infidelity being a feminist issue is coming from reading feminist scholars' work on HIV and other STDs having particular patterns of contagion for women.
CaptainofIndustry
Member
Of fucking course.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Alright mate.
If you don't respect the woman you've married enough to maintain a monogamous relationship then it's kinda hard to call yourself a feminist.
No, I get that. I just think that it's weird that this criticism of Joss is so focused on his feminism. Yeah, he's a shit feminist. But more than that, he's a shit person, regardless of what anyone thinks of the feminist label.
Possibly a reference to how he wrote Xander on Buffy.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
The notion that power imbalances necessarily meaningfully eliminate consent is rather reductionist, and is arguably at the heart of the equally fallacious argument that prostitution is inherently exploitative and evil because money, as a whole, is non-optional. "Sleep with me, or you won't get the part", stated directly or implicitly, would make him a pretty shitty feminist, but there is no indication that is the case baed on this account. Women can, in fact, elect to use their sexuality, and men's relatively higher sex drive and relatively lower value in the sexual marketplace, to their advantage. Without additional information, the actual dynamic at play, here, is unknown, and focusing in on one detail to the exclusion of all other potentially pertinent ones is just kinda lazy.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I'm not surprised, like many in this thread are not either. Joss Whedon has always had this morally superior smugness about him when it came to his "feminism". He thought that made it okay to make the plethora of sexist jokes in Firefly, or even Dollhouse as a whole.
Really interesting to hear that he is a Fanbase Fucker, though.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
He said in an interview "I'm always angry" was deeply personal writing. Then in AOU, they show Bruce almost sleeping with a younger woman on an awkward will they/won't they, during which the woman says she's a monster, then she betrays him.
Hmm...
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Tim Burton is pretty blatant with his "muses." Meet them on set, date them, cast them in all your movies. Lather, rinse, repeat.
It sounds like Joss was creepin' and keeping it quiet. Best response is probably gonna be no response here. They got kids, you really don't want to make this anymore public than it is. He denies too loudly, she might produce those alleged letters.
It sounds like Joss was creepin' and keeping it quiet. Best response is probably gonna be no response here. They got kids, you really don't want to make this anymore public than it is. He denies too loudly, she might produce those alleged letters.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I don't know, is he a scumbag? Maybe. But I'm not gonna give too much credence to a blog post from an ex-partner.
Now, when it comes to his writing, all I'll say is that as much as giving him Batgirl was a stroke of genius for the DCEU, I really don't look forward to how he's going to handle that character. I hope he's gonna stay as far away from anything related to The Killing Joke as possible because that could easily get Bruce Timm ugly.
Now, when it comes to his writing, all I'll say is that as much as giving him Batgirl was a stroke of genius for the DCEU, I really don't look forward to how he's going to handle that character. I hope he's gonna stay as far away from anything related to The Killing Joke as possible because that could easily get Bruce Timm ugly.
AuthenticM
Member
stole my thoughts, yeah.
entremet
Member
I see it more as a lack of respect to the person,Kai Cole, not womankind.
It does get complex when talking about his power advantages as others have mentioned. But specifically on cheating? Harder case to make.
Dichen Lachman had an episode in Dollhouse that was one of the most powerful performances I'd ever seen. It blew me away. But yeah there was a lot of garbage too.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
lightskintwin
Banned
Pretty much.
Tom Brady would be the one getting cheated on
Yeah. I was interested in how that reflects on being a feminist, and if it works the opposite way as well with a woman cheating on a guy.
Doesn't he betray her by running away?
Lights and Waves
Member
Read his leaked Wonder Woman script. Look at the storyline he wrote for Black Widow in Avengers Age of Ultron. He got VERY lucky with Buffy.
Same, I can honestly say I've never been a whedon fan. For me, it stemmed from stuff I saw him say live at awards ceremonies and stuff. Always seemed like a guy who waved the feminist flag in a self serving way which is damnable to me
Yeah, this. I wouldn't say it discredits his whole career, but it means he failed at treating the most important woman in his life with respect. When it came down to it, her feelings didn't matter. So, personally, I wonder how well he's doing treating other, less significant women (after he sleeps with them).
But she betrays him first.
It's important that Joss see himself... Bruce as the wronged figure.
That might be where the spiral started, but he's always been a divisive figure among feminists. I'd say I like him - I think his work is hit or miss - and this isn't all that surprising.
I'm no fan of Joss whedon, but I think he comes across better than her with the editors note at the end of the article-
Editors Note: A spokesperson for Joss Whedon provided the following response, While this account includes inaccuracies and misrepresentations which can be harmful to their family, Joss is not commenting, out of concern for his children and out of respect for his ex-wife.
Editors Note: A spokesperson for Joss Whedon provided the following response, While this account includes inaccuracies and misrepresentations which can be harmful to their family, Joss is not commenting, out of concern for his children and out of respect for his ex-wife.