I didnt grow up with Hip Hop, so I was never too big into Pac and am too lazy to listen to his works. So yea, I would put Ye above Pac as well. I can still appreciate what Pac did and his talent, but overall Ye > Pac for me. Can't really help it, different generations and all.
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Kanye West & Jay-Z present: Watch The Throne
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wenis said:
Ye didn't elevate anything. His production was an evolution, but nothing revolutionary. But since we are talking rappers, he doesn't even come close to pac or bigg, or Nas.
Fuck..Im outta here. Too many Kanye dick suckers. Y'all should head over to the gaf-hop thread and throw those rankings out.
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He enjoys living vicariously through other people's pockets and Alpha Dog brashness.Imm0rt4l said:
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The guy also prefaced it with personally. Meaning to HIM he feels that Ye and Jay are better.
Ashhong said:
I feel like you should give Pac a listen before you rank it this way. I understand different generations so it may not be as incredible as it was in the day for those growing up with it but failing to listen to pac because your "lazy" and blaming it on different generations doesn't really make sense. I'm just recommending that you listen to some Pac (and BIG if you haven't) before being 100% set.
How was it nothing short of a revolution even if it was an evolution of an existing sound, much like most music is? The two aren't mutually exclusive, and Ye indeed shook up hip hop, mainstream and otherwise quite considerably and permanently.ReconYoda said:
Jay-Z over Pac.. I will never accept that. Till the day die.
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Throavium said:
Trickle down swag?
enzo_gt said:
Because sampling was nothing new. Ye didn't shake up hip hop. I know, because i was hoping he would. He opened a few doors for some artists that weren't fitting into the gangsta rap mold that was prevalent at the time, but that also took awhile. I think some of you remember things differently.
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what. how is that different from kanye changing the game.ReconYoda said:
i swear i have no clue what your talking about any more. first you say "His production was an evolution" but then say "but nothing revolutionary."
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what i don't understand is why your so goddamn mad. you name a person who has been nominated 147 times in four albums. from what ive read, you just can't seem to get over the fact that kanye is better than "good".ReconYoda said:
If I remember correctly, gangsta rap is dead now, and all the successful artists of yore had to adapt to fit the changing interest of the demographic, see: Jay annd Nas post-TCD. The doors were replaced entirely over time, nothing happens suddenly. Sure it was slow, but I would say that the major shift came post-Graduation.ReconYoda said:
Call it a renaissance if you want, maybe revolution is too strong, point being there was a shake up. No nothing is as sudden as you may have expected, but there was a distinct change in the direction hip hop went. Not to knock 'em, but he's partially responsible for why soft serve rappers are so much more prominent, successful and valued over your Jadakiss types.
Got my deluxe copy today (Amazon fucked up a bit in the UK) and it's pretty much what i expected, not as good as MBDTF but still a solid 4/5.
What the fuck is Lift Off though? Could have been a decent track if Ye and Jay bothered with some verses, shit sounds like a demo. Shame because the production is pretty good.
Murder to Excellence, Niggas in Paris and Illest Motherfucker Alive are god tier, so good.gif.
What the fuck is Lift Off though? Could have been a decent track if Ye and Jay bothered with some verses, shit sounds like a demo. Shame because the production is pretty good.
Murder to Excellence, Niggas in Paris and Illest Motherfucker Alive are god tier, so good.gif.
Ashhong said:
What the hell is going on in this thread? Are there people actually arguing that Kanye is a superior rapper to Pac and Biggie? What?? As much as I like Kanye, he has never been anything more than an average rapper with good production, unique sense of style, and controversy in the media. I don't remember the source, but I believe even Kanye himself has said as much (not as strong a rapper, more an entertainer). Many of Kanye's rhymes sound so.. basic, like a young, clumsy student still trying to figure out the craft. Some of the stuff he spits is so goofy and awkward that it makes me cringe. I sit there thinking how a certain line could've been so much better, how a more talented rapper would've killed that verse.
And for the record, I didn't really start listening to Pac and Biggie's volume of work until a few years ago. I'm definitely not hung up on nostalgia. Also, Lupe (who is also far ahead to Kanye in rapping ability) is currently more creative and fired up than lazy Jay-Z. Why isn't Kanye doing more work with him? Rhetorical question; more money and media hype in a Jay collab.
cacophony said:
Some rappers do it so much that it comes to dominate entire songs. If it becomes everything they have to say, then it's like they're saying nothing at all. No real message to listeners besides "I'm rich."
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Eh it depends of the context. If it's smartly done I can find it inspiring too but when it's unimaginative like some of 50 Cent's songs then it gets annoying.cacophony said:
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My two cents on Lift Off - great production, great use of Beyonce, the flow of the two works, but both Kanye and Jay have no idea what to actually rap about on the track. It all feels like a freestyle and Jay-Z is barely there. Looking at the shit on paper is just so...what the fuck. It's kind of crazy to think it may be the next single because it's mostly a Beyonce star track.
Jado said:
Not once did I say he was a better rapper. Just as an artist overall, that includes everything about him, Kanye > Pac for me. Of course that is because I haven't listened to Pac extensively, but there are a lot of people that would be in a similar position as me. Just saying its not such a ridiculous thought to have.
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I hate Beyonce on it. Her singing comes across as extremely uh...strained I think the word is. It's like shes trying to add that extra oomph to her singing and its really annoying.
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What exactly would be considered a revolutionary album or change in hip hop?
Zoramon089 said:
I guess something like "The Message" would be revolutionary.
Edit: In terms of cultural impact, you could also look at releases like "Walk This Way."
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Why? Jesus Pac was great but he wasn't the end all be all. Kanyes not some up and comer either, he's already got a decade and what 6 albums under his belt?enzo_gt said:
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ShdwDrake said:
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I don't know about Kanye> Pac.....
but I can see someone saying Kanye> Biggie just because of the albums Biggie has put out.
but I can see someone saying Kanye> Biggie just because of the albums Biggie has put out.
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Tguy said:
I've lived too long. This can't be life.
There's a difference between having a collection of good albums and making some of the greatest music of all time.
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