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[genjiZERO]

If Tchaikovsky were alive today, he'd probably have a bit of moan about Pitbull.

I'm not really a fan of Keith, but anyone saying he's a C Rate guitarist, link me to a vid of your guitar skillz and I'll happily critique for you.

You don't have to professional level guitar player to rank skill. Jonny Greenwood is an obviously better guitar player than say Kurt Cobain. Similarly, Jimmy Paige is a better player than Keith Richards. But that may not mean anything. I'd rank George Harrison as a C level guitar player too (hell, I'd rank John Lennon as a D level player), but he (and the Beatles as a group) are responsible for some of the best timeless music of all time.

Aw damn you got me

Haha, I like to troll Radiohead threads because they invariably devolve into either: A) the same old conversation about how their pre-Kid A music is better than their post-Kid A music (or vice versa), or B) people ranking their albums.

if you call the stones "mere imitative pop music" you don't know what the fuck are you talking about and that's not much to discuss, other than than pointing out how idiotic is the never ending circle jerk about "white british men stealing black music".

Then explain to me how their music is more artistically relevant than say Pink Floyd.

 

[beato_angelico]

Oh look, you were one of them. That's a shocker

yeah I got it. you don't know how to count.

 

[beato_angelico]

Then explain to me how their music is more artistically relevant than say Pink Floyd.

what the hell? You want to turn it to a pink floyd vs rolling stones "battle"? I don't see what is this supposed to mean.

 

[ElfArmy177]

I agree with the Rap part.

Eh, I kinda agree too. But rap isn't necessarily my thing, to each their own, my opinion is no more important than anyone else's opinion.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

You don't have to professional level guitar player to rank skill. Jonny Greenwood is an obviously better guitar player than say Kurt Cobain. Similarly, Jimmy Paige is a better player than Keith Richards. But that may not mean anything. I'd rank George Harrison as a C level guitar player too (hell, I'd rank John Lennon as a D level player), but he (and the Beatles as a group) are responsible for some of the best timeless music of all time.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious, who are A level players

 

[JadedWriter]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious, who are A level players

If Alex Lifeson isn't on that list than I don't know who is.

 

[genjiZERO]

what the hell? You want to turn it to a pink floyd vs rolling stones "battle"? I don't see what is this supposed to mean.

I'm asking you to articulate your retorts.

I said the Rolling Stones make mere pop music - which I stand behind. I used Pink Floyd as an example of band that is not that. Here's what the Rolling Stones don't do: use atypical time signatures, keys or instruments; experiment with new styles; create tightly woven concept albums; or impress you with their virtuosity. What they do do is make tight R&B rock albums in standard chord progressions, in standard keys, and with standard instruments. There isn't anything inherently wrong with this. Most of the Beatles songs are also "mere pop songs". But I do find it a little ironic that Keith Richards is shitting on other bands (particularly Black Sabbath who were particularly inventive for their time) and styles when his band isn't exactly the shining pinnacle of artistry and novelty.

 

[genjiZERO]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious, who are A level players

For particularly well known players - Page, Clapton, Greenwood, Hendrix, King, Van Halen....

edit:

Alex Lifeson definitely

 

[JadedWriter]

I'm asking you to articulate your retorts.

I said the Rolling Stones make mere pop music - which I stand behind. I used Pink Floyd as an example of band that is not that. Here's what the Rolling Stones don't do: use atypical time signatures, keys or instruments; experiment with new styles; create tightly woven concept albums; or impress you with their virtuosity. What they do do is make tight R&B rock albums in standard chord progressions, in standard keys, and with standard instruments. There isn't anything inherently wrong with this. Most of the Beatles songs are also "mere pop songs". But I do find it a little ironic that Keith Richards is shitting on other bands (particularly Black Sabbath who were particularly inventive for their time) and styles when his band isn't exactly the shining pinnacle of artistry and novelty.

Pretty much to make this succinct you're just saying the Rolling Stones aren't as experimental as King Crimson for example but they're still talented at what they do.

 

[Gonzalez]

It's true...

http://youtu.be/iNF4wXrz5rg

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

For particularly well known players - Page, Clapton, Greenwood, Hendrix, King, Van Halen....

edit:

Alex Lifeson definitely

Just out of your opinion where would Luke Hoskin stand? I'm curious where he stands d:
I think he's an A player for sure.

 

[Gouty]

Millennial's will be remembered for quite a few things but their sense of humor isn't one of them.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious, who are A level players

Leo Kottke always blows my mind.

 

[Gonzalez]

Millennial's will be remembered for quite a few things but their sense of humor isn't one of them.

.

 

[phanphare]

I'm asking you to articulate your retorts.

I said the Rolling Stones make mere pop music - which I stand behind. I used Pink Floyd as an example of band that is not that. Here's what the Rolling Stones don't do: use atypical time signatures, keys or instruments; experiment with new styles; create tightly woven concept albums; or impress you with their virtuosity. What they do do is make tight R&B rock albums in standard chord progressions, in standard keys, and with standard instruments. There isn't anything inherently wrong with this. Most of the Beatles songs are also "mere pop songs". But I do find it a little ironic that Keith Richards is shitting on other bands (particularly Black Sabbath who were particularly inventive for their time) and styles when his band isn't exactly the shining pinnacle of artistry and novelty.

you're spot on except for the beatles quip they do everything you just detailed short of impressing with virtuosity. they are just very intelligent with their compositions so the average listener doesn't even realize what's being thrown at them

for instance what is seemingly just a catchy pop song, Penny Lane, is actually one of the most well crafted songs of all time with frequent key changes that is somehow seen as an accessible pop song because of how well executed everything is

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/pl.shtml

you should check this out, does a good job of explaining why the beatles were so great. he does a good job of explaining the more technical aspects of music theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbcHG7lL_T4

 

[genjiZERO]

Pretty much to make this succinct you're just saying the Rolling Stones aren't as experimental as King Crimson for example but they're still talented at what they do.

Yes. Absolutely. And I wouldn't have shat on them if Keith Richards hadn't shat on others for no legitimate reason.

Just out of your opinion where would Luke Hoskin stand? I'm curious where he stands d:
I think he's an A player for sure.

This isn't really the music I listen to so it's hard to give a reasonable answer. But if you send me a few links I'll give it an honest listen.

you're spot on except for the beatles quip they do everything you just detailed short of impressing with virtuosity. they are just very intelligent with their compositions so the average listener doesn't even realize what's being thrown at them

for instance what is seemingly just a catchy pop song, Penny Lane, is actually one of the most well crafted songs of all time with frequent key changes that is somehow seen as an accessible pop song because of how well executed everything is

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/pl.shtml

you should check this out, does a good job of explaining why the beatles were so great. he does a good job of explaining the more technical aspects of music theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbcHG7lL_T4

I agree with you completely. I just mean that they are known for their pop music (even if lots of their other things are artistic perfection).

edit:

And even if some of their popier songs are more than they seem. Perhaps it was a bad analogy.

 

[Switch Back 9]

No, I don't think I'm ignorant at all. I just don't like rap music. Why does this bother you so much? So salty and defensive over a random person's opinion on the Internet.

I'm not salty, it was your dismissive and condescending tone I was addressing. Like what you like, just don't be a dick about the stuff you don't.
And the people who don't like hip hop and metal are often the most vocal and dismissive when it comes to those two genres, for whatever reason, and 90% of the time they're basing their opinion on a very limited exposure to the music.

 

[phanphare]

I agree with you completely. I just mean that they are known for their pop music (even if lots of their other things are artistic perfection).

but even their pop music is filled with depth, penny lane being the best example because it's often cited as the best pop song of all time

also it should be noted that in the 60's pop wasn't necessarily a genre like it is now, it literally just meant popular

edit: just saw your edit ;p

it was a bad analogy if I'm being honest. sorry, I'm a huge fucking beatles nerd

 

[Blackstarhat]

That's propley true I just started really getting into it in the last 6 month and my god illmatic and Maad city are eye opening albums there so good.

Listen to ready to die.

 

[JadedWriter]

Yes. Absolutely. And I wouldn't have shat on them if Keith Richards hadn't shat on others for no legitimate reason.

I consider Keith to be a person stuck in his own drug induced reality so it's hard for me to take anything he says seriously. He has his own opinions but he's not a person I pay too much attention to. Now if he says something dumb about either the Cocteau Twins or dream pop in general that's when I'll bite his head off on GAF.

 

[Switch Back 9]

It's also kind of funny to see people so openly dismiss an entire genre of music. It's like, I try to listen to albums in every genre (yes, even country) and I have my preferences of which genres I tend to like more, but to say an entire genre is bad is just... yeah... It makes me wonder how many albums in that genre those dismissing it have actually listened to. I would guess less than 10 definitely.

Albums? I'd be surprised if they'd listened to more than ten songs.

 

[Sanjuro]

Well...you aren't wrong, Keith.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

This isn't really the music I listen to so it's hard to give a reasonable answer. But if you send me a few links I'll give it an honest listen.

1 2 3 4

One from each album

 

[Patapwn]

People who agree with him on both metal and rap, can you please post what you listen to

 

[Sanjuro]

People who agree with him on both metal and rap, can you please post what you listen to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY

 

[phanphare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY

lol, nice

 

[Switch Back 9]

One from each album

Nothing from A Calculated Use?

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

People who agree with him on both metal and rap, can you please post what you listen to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bEDM4bsfWg

Nothing from A Calculated Use?

I did say albums, not EP's (;
And if I was to chose an EP, I would clearly chose Search for the Truth.


Lol, honestly I'm not a fan of any of their EP's

 

[Stinkles]

It must be hard watching yourself fade from relevance.

He's not even obeying the laws of thermodynamics, Kanye will be forgotten in Kanye's own lifetime and Keef will still be alive. If you can call that life.

 

[Switch Back 9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bEDM4bsfWg



I did say albums, not EP's (;
And if I was to chose an EP, I would clearly chose Search for the Truth.


Lol, honestly I'm not a fan of any of their EP's

Nah I don't really count them either. Kezia is, essentially, their first album.

Spoiler

and best

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Nah I don't really count them either. Kezia is, essentially, their first album.

Spoiler

and best

Kezia is a 5/5 in my books, with Fortress being a 4.5/5. They haven't made a single bad album, the lowest ranking I think is Scurrilous at a 3.5/5 for me.

 

[Pro from Dover]

Hey, he sounds no different than anyone on Gaf saying they don't like thing.

 

[genjiZERO]

but even their pop music is filled with depth, penny lane being the best example because it's often cited as the best pop song of all time

also it should be noted that in the 60's pop wasn't necessarily a genre like it is now, it literally just meant popular

edit: just saw your edit ;p

it was a bad analogy if I'm being honest. sorry, I'm a huge fucking beatles nerd

Yeah, it was a bad analogy.

1 2 3 4

One from each album

Thanks!

 

[Jakten]

It's also kind of funny to see people so openly dismiss an entire genre of music. It's like, I try to listen to albums in every genre (yes, even country) and I have my preferences of which genres I tend to like more, but to say an entire genre is bad is just... yeah... It makes me wonder how many albums in that genre those dismissing it have actually listened to. I would guess less than 10 definitely.

I doubt many people get to the point of listening to even one entire album in a genre beyond their comfort zone. More than likely they base their opinion of that genre off of a repeated top 40 song or general opinion within their social group.

I grew up in a rural area where most people listen to country and classic rock. 'rap is crap' and 'disco sucks' were common phrases. People would adamantly state disco sucks despite loving Kiss' - "I was made for loving you", Rod Stewart's - "Do ya think I'm Sexy" or Rolling Stones' - "Emotional Rescue". Even the Beegees sometimes.

This happened with punk music as well. It's just a bunch of whiny kids yelling. Yet they have no problem with Blondie or the Clash or the Ramones because they got play on the Classic Rock station. They hated synthesizers despite loving tons of progrock and new wave music. You have people decrying boy-bands because they are 'manufactured' but they love the Monkees or the Sex Pistols.

Basically most people aren't able to tell what exactly separates a genre and are more concerned with looking bad to their peers. This is why you commonly hear people say "they don't have anything to say" or "It's just noise" because they don't know enough to make a real criticism.

 

[jonnyp]

I agree with him on rap. Early Sabbath and Metallica is cool though

 

[Regiruler]

ITT:

Can someone shop abe's head onto the cloud. Then it will be perfect.

 

[jerry1594]

I agree with him on rap. Early Sabbath and Metallica is cool though

Nah they suck too.

So are you going to explain exactly whey the Beatles were "crap in general" or can we safely assume it's just an opinion you espouse to show how edgy you are?

Lol the beatles created the ultimate fanboys. You can't possibly think they're crap, you must be trying to be special.

 

[televator]

He needs to go the extra mile and say "Rock was a mistake. Nothing but trash."

 

[Mixolydian]

Haha. I saw this earlier, but this definitely got some of you riled up.

I like both styles of music he dissed, as well as some Stones songs. Keith being a curmudgeon is nothing new.

:shrugs:

 

[Christine]

The last concert I went to (it's been a little while) was Metallica opening for the Stones, so I can't take any of this very seriously at all.

 

[CountAntonius]

Can someone shop abe's head onto the cloud. Then it will be perfect.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

:lol

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Lol

The Stones still draw bigger crowds than 99.6 % of hip hop artist.

Yes, it would be easy to draw bigger crowds than 99.6% of one person

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Did he just listen to one Lil Jon track and called it a day?

 

[JustenP88]

His opinion turned this thread into "who the fuck cares about the Rolling Stones?"

Lol. This is obviously a case of old man yelling at cloud but no need to disrespect history.

 

[spliced]

ITT:

That's the first time that picture has been funny in years, nicely done.

 

[Bearthgar]

People seriously crapping on the Stones?

 

[Jawbreaker]

He knows that Megadeth was superior.

 

[diffusionx]

I saw the Stones live this summer and they were great. I wish I am still kicking half as well when I am in my 70s. There really weren't many 70 year olds in the crowd, or even 50 year olds.

I'm asking you to articulate your retorts.

I said the Rolling Stones make mere pop music - which I stand behind. I used Pink Floyd as an example of band that is not that. Here's what the Rolling Stones don't do: use atypical time signatures, keys or instruments; experiment with new styles; create tightly woven concept albums; or impress you with their virtuosity. What they do do is make tight R&B rock albums in standard chord progressions, in standard keys, and with standard instruments. There isn't anything inherently wrong with this. Most of the Beatles songs are also "mere pop songs". But I do find it a little ironic that Keith Richards is shitting on other bands (particularly Black Sabbath who were particularly inventive for their time) and styles when his band isn't exactly the shining pinnacle of artistry and novelty.

Rolling Stones spent a lot of time messing around with country music and even made one all-time classic country song ("Country Honk"), so I'm not sure about experimenting. They also made a pretty great disco song ("Miss You"), back when disco was popular. That's not something Keith really cares about, though. And hey, I like Satanic Majesties Request, even though Keith doesn't.

Going by his book, all Keith Richards ever cared about was making good blues rock music. Music for him is Robert Johnson and T-Bone Walker and Buddy Guy and the like. And he helped deliver four of the best in the genre, so I'm pretty sure he's okay that they didn't experiment with 7:4 or whatever the fuck. I'm not sure what you consider artistry but any band that could deliver Let It Bleed or Exile on Main Street is pretty fucking good at making music.

 

[Regiruler]

More on point but I was looking for the long term.