The Last One
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Guys, listen to the Vector to the Heavens from the new Shimomura's album, so beautiful.
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/memoria/
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/memoria/
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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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badcrumble
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Nice. Thank you. I hope that's true for the US version also.
Still very, very curious to see what ends up being done with the Mirage Arena stuff in BBSFM HD. I hope we hear more very soon, once FFX HD has gotten its NA release.
What everyone should be excited about is the new scenarios for [chi]. That game is getting fucking cray, what with killing off characters and having people fall to the darkness and stuff.
badcrumble
Member
Yeah, I think it's really surprising (and interesting) how involved that has gotten. What's the link to your blog about it again, if you don't mind?
If you can stand waiting, I'm going to rewrite the whole thing soon as the mechanics have been refined enough since that writing to warrant a redo.
badcrumble
Member
Totally, and thanks.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Is Square doing GDC? If there is anything to announce it would be then.
badcrumble
Member
I recall looking over their schedule and seeing them there but I don't think Nomura's going.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Still good enough to announce a release date
Suppose Nomura finally pulls the trigger and starts hooking people up. Who goes with who?
My List
(tsundere! It's a tsunder-)
...
Cough.
Let's look at another passage too.
So in one passage we see Larxene quite obviously flirting with Axel and in the second we see that she's been hurt in the past, such that she feels it would be better to not have a heart at all. As we know, Lea is a pretty nice guy. I mean as Axel, he was willing to murder Sora to get Roxas back. I think that he's just the type of person to help Relena (yeah, I'm going with that for now) break out of her shell.
(oh and before you start a debate of canon, these operate under the Star Wars expanded universe rules: unless it directly contradicts something in game, consider it as canon. The writer has worked as a story consultant in the series after all)
First off, from the end of 3D, it would appear that Ventus hasn't aged, meaning that he's at or around the same age as the main trio. From KH2 and Roxas, we know both that being inside of someone doesn't mean you can't observe what's happening around them or effect their emotions, as the crying about parting with Hayner and co. will attest. Also Ven has been inside of Sora for the entirety of the time that Sora has known Kairi. So who can say for certain that the affections that Sora has for Kairi aren't actually Ven's? Plus, by doing this, we can Peter Parker Sora and have him gain the affections of numerous female characters in the future. And this is just my personal preference, but I would love for the next main villain to be a girl who Sora falls in love with before we finds out she's evil. Sort of a reverse KOTOR.
Will that happen? No, of course not.
But could it? Yes. Yes, it could.
My List
- Roxas × Naminé
- Riku × Xion
- Terra × Aqua
- Lea × Relena (or Arlene)
- Ventus × Kairi
Lea × Relena (AKA Larxene's entelechy).
First let's take a look at this passage from the KH Novels:
(tsundere! It's a tsunder-)
...
Cough.
Let's look at another passage too.
So in one passage we see Larxene quite obviously flirting with Axel and in the second we see that she's been hurt in the past, such that she feels it would be better to not have a heart at all. As we know, Lea is a pretty nice guy. I mean as Axel, he was willing to murder Sora to get Roxas back. I think that he's just the type of person to help Relena (yeah, I'm going with that for now) break out of her shell.
(oh and before you start a debate of canon, these operate under the Star Wars expanded universe rules: unless it directly contradicts something in game, consider it as canon. The writer has worked as a story consultant in the series after all)
Ventus × Kairi
First off, from the end of 3D, it would appear that Ventus hasn't aged, meaning that he's at or around the same age as the main trio. From KH2 and Roxas, we know both that being inside of someone doesn't mean you can't observe what's happening around them or effect their emotions, as the crying about parting with Hayner and co. will attest. Also Ven has been inside of Sora for the entirety of the time that Sora has known Kairi. So who can say for certain that the affections that Sora has for Kairi aren't actually Ven's? Plus, by doing this, we can Peter Parker Sora and have him gain the affections of numerous female characters in the future. And this is just my personal preference, but I would love for the next main villain to be a girl who Sora falls in love with before we finds out she's evil. Sort of a reverse KOTOR.
Will that happen? No, of course not.
But could it? Yes. Yes, it could.
Isn't Roxas
?
Haven't played the 3D since it came out so memory's hazy, but if that's not the way it is, then it should be.
just Ventus sans memories
He was placed into Sora, meaning Sora had two souls. When he became a heartless, Ventus was expelled...but had no memories. Hence he became Roxas.
Haven't played the 3D since it came out so memory's hazy, but if that's not the way it is, then it should be.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I love you guys.
No. Ven and Roxas are their own people.
Someone please save Kingdom Hearts.
badcrumble
Member
Kinda true except that Roxas started growing his own heart, which makes things more complicated.
For real.
At the end of BBS it's pretty clear that they aren't the same person.
How so? I'd say the opposite is implied. Ven literally joins with Sora. An identical version of him (albeit with no memories) emerges from Sora 14 years later.
Sora became a heartless but was able to maintain his sentience. That's how he was able to seek out Kairi and save himself. Again, memory's a bit hazy on the details.
I assumed he was able to maintain his identity because he had two souls, and only lost one when he became a heartless. The "soul" he lost belonged to Ventus. Further proof? Roxas and Ventus are identical characters. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, you can tell that Jesse is using a different vocal inflection for each.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Sums up my reaction pretty well.
What would you like to talk about then?
Well about half of the possible pairings are either some aspect of another person or some flavor of metaphysical or literal incest (assuming we treat TAV as surrogate siblings).
Counterpoint: this is disney.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
im pretty sure axel and roxas are gay
R10Neymarfan
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Except that Xion wasn't with Roxas. She was with Sora
U WOT M8.
The Last One
Member
Let's talk about how Nomura and co. fucked everything up by introducing one of the most convoluted forms of time travel in media today. Even Kojima can't top that shit.
We almost had it. We almost had a handle on the entire saga, things were finally starting to come together and click... and then BAM we Quantum Leap now. Or reverse leap...?... whatever.
I got another topic: Naminé. Considering her unique powers, it's strange Xemnas never saw fit to induct her into the Org. Granted, she seems pretty frail... but the ability to mind-wipe anybody connected to Sora shouldn't be underestimated. Maybe the biggest obstacle was that she was aware of herself and not a vegetable ala Roxas. She'd never join them willingly. Or would she? She *did* say she didn't want to be alone...
Not to mention, as a Nobody of a keyblade wielder she should be able to use one, right? But nope, she's the damsel in distress like her mommy and has to spend a year fixing Sora's shit.
And so we got the mess that was Xion. We can't even be sure she has lady parts under that robe. :
:Lets take this in pieces.
Opinion. It's really not that complicated. You can travel forward in time, but only to a place where your future self already exists.
Two things: a. Naminé can't mind wipe people. She can only manipulate people's memories of Sora specifically. For example, you'll still remember talking about the game last night to someone, but you won't remember that it was Sora. B. Naminé barely exists. At the end of KH2 before joining with Kairi, she was literally fading out of existence. When she said she was Kairi's shadow, that wasn't hyperbole. She could disappear at a moments notice.
It seems your conflating Kairi's ability to wield to Naminé. Again, Naminé doesn't have much power of existence. Furthermore, she's not really Kairi's nobody, because Kairi can't make a nobody. No darkness. She's actually a part of Sora's body and darkness with a small portion of Kairi's will. Small. Not nearly enough to warrant the strength of heart for a keyblade.
Xion is a girl. She reverts back at her death.
Opinion. It's really not that complicated. You can travel forward in time, but only to a place where your future self already exists.
Two things: a. Naminé can't mind wipe people. She can only manipulate people's memories of Sora specifically. For example, you'll still remember talking about the game last night to someone, but you won't remember that it was Sora. B. Naminé barely exists. At the end of KH2 before joining with Kairi, she was literally fading out of existence. When she said she was Kairi's shadow, that wasn't hyperbole. She could disappear at a moments notice.
It seems your conflating Kairi's ability to wield to Naminé. Again, Naminé doesn't have much power of existence. Furthermore, she's not really Kairi's nobody, because Kairi can't make a nobody. No darkness. She's actually a part of Sora's body and darkness with a small portion of Kairi's will. Small. Not nearly enough to warrant the strength of heart for a keyblade.
And so we got the mess that was Xion. We can't even be sure she has lady parts under that robe. :
Xion is a girl. She reverts back at her death.
Very true. Guess we'll see.
In other news, I decided to say "fuck it" and started playing BBS again. I was going to wait for 2.5HD but I dunno, when I heard the good old songs again play in the beginning video and main menu, I can't not try again. Wish me luck yo, maybe I'll get to the end this time. Probably not thanks to Titanfall but eh.
badcrumble
Member
I'll be curious to see what ends up happening to Naminé in KH3 though, for sure. I strongly suspect that Kairi's dual identity as a keyblade wielder and as a Princess of Heart will be an important plot point in KH3, and that increases the odds that Naminé will get involved too.
Well worth it.
badcrumble
Member
Really curious to see how KH3 takes influence from the Command Deck system. It's given so much more flexibility to combat (and provided a fantastic template for making each character play somewhat differently), but I totally understand why it's a problem in some ways for combat (at least if there's BBS's Command Melding involved - DDD tried to do without it but the skill progression feels like utter crap without it).
But I kind of understand why DDD tried to go ahead without command melding (even if its solution was godawful).
The fact remains that as soon as you get the Fire command in BBS, you can build Firaga for yourself (and as soon as you get Cure you can build Curaga, and so on). It's really easy to power yourself up in the early parts of the game well beyond what Sora was capable of in KH1 or KH2 with their power-gating via abilities acquired through story progress.
Granted, Fire and Firaga in BBS (to continue with that example) are somewhat balanced against each other by the fact that Fire has a faster recharge, but that fundamental problem remains.
I'll be super curious to see how this stuff ends up going, because KH1/KH2 versus Re:CoM/BBS/DDD are two *very* different combat lineages, and yet this is a follow up to the first lineage by the team behind the second lineage. The combat and progression system (and narrative) design choices that the Osaka team makes will be fascinating.
But I kind of understand why DDD tried to go ahead without command melding (even if its solution was godawful).
The fact remains that as soon as you get the Fire command in BBS, you can build Firaga for yourself (and as soon as you get Cure you can build Curaga, and so on). It's really easy to power yourself up in the early parts of the game well beyond what Sora was capable of in KH1 or KH2 with their power-gating via abilities acquired through story progress.
Granted, Fire and Firaga in BBS (to continue with that example) are somewhat balanced against each other by the fact that Fire has a faster recharge, but that fundamental problem remains.
I'll be super curious to see how this stuff ends up going, because KH1/KH2 versus Re:CoM/BBS/DDD are two *very* different combat lineages, and yet this is a follow up to the first lineage by the team behind the second lineage. The combat and progression system (and narrative) design choices that the Osaka team makes will be fascinating.
Considering the last three games in the series have used the command deck iteratively, I would be shocked if 3 didn't have it in some form. It's a better system by far.
TBH, I found the combat in KH1 and 2 to be lazy, 2 in particular.
Step 1: get them in the air.
Step 2: Win.
Outside of the limit cuts and LS, I didn't change tactics at all. It was very much × to win until you Δ. BBS and 3D required a lot more planning IMO.
I don't exactly disagree, it was very simple. On standard difficulty, you rarely even needed spells or items, you just spam x.
But I still enjoyed it more, lol. Although, it's very possible it was due to the 3DS just not being that comfortable in my opinion, especially for an action-oriented game like DDD. It probably would have been a lot more fun with a real controller.
But I still enjoyed it more, lol. Although, it's very possible it was due to the 3DS just not being that comfortable in my opinion, especially for an action-oriented game like DDD. It probably would have been a lot more fun with a real controller.
Only forward? How does that explain Ansem SoD in Young Xehanort's era? Poor choice of words? Did you mean backwards?
And I don't just mean the method of time travel, but also everything tied to it:
-only beings with no bodies can do it (then how does YX?)
-the whole "you can only go in one direction" and "there already has to be a you in that era" stipulations (hence, Quantum Leap: you can only travel in between your birth and your death on the timeline)
-once you've arrived at the time you wished, only the normal flow of time can propel you forward (which kinda makes sense, but then YX stops at multiple points to pick up Xehanorts on the timeline... he must be time-traveling, since he doesn't age)
-losing your memories after returning to your own era and the fact that you actually can't alter the course of events (then what's the point? and what's actually stopping you from altering timelines?).
-is there a time limit in place? Why do the 13 darknesses revert back to their own time after failing to capture Sora?
Hell, apparently Sora and Riku both did it too at the very beginning of 3D, Xigbar says it's essentially the same thing. Are they body-less? Or... am I supposed to infer that if you ever lost your body in one way or the other, any part of you past, present or future is capable of time travel? That's some bullshit if so and breaks pretty much everything.
What'd she do to Riku-Replica?
Hm. This makes sense, considering what DiZ has to say about her in the Secret Ansem Reports. What a shitty life, no wonder she was so depressed.
Basically, my thought process was: if Roxas can wield, then so can she. Furthermore, having some part of her coming from Sora should make it even more likely.
I don't care if I'm wrong, I just want to suss out what's the most likely answer.
DiZ thinks she is. Are you calling DiZ a liar? I'll fight you.
About as much as a Barbie doll is "a girl", I reckon. Larxene would agree with me on this. She's just a toy.
The most realistic option is a copy-paste of 2's system + attraction flow.
The option I'd like to see is 2's system with a far superior magic+skill selection alongside a more intricate combo system. Magic would be made through a more streamlined version of command meld and the combo system would make use of the X and triangle buttons, with blocking being able to transition into a parry and the square button being a usable button in midair (though it would only work as an attack in mid-combo, otherwise it would initiate superglide.)
Kingdom Hearts 2 on critical had a nice defensive element and demanded knowledge of the options and nuances to Sora's moveset, and I hope III will take that further by making changes more conducive to strategizing and customization.
The option I'd like to see is 2's system with a far superior magic+skill selection alongside a more intricate combo system. Magic would be made through a more streamlined version of command meld and the combo system would make use of the X and triangle buttons, with blocking being able to transition into a parry and the square button being a usable button in midair (though it would only work as an attack in mid-combo, otherwise it would initiate superglide.)
Kingdom Hearts 2 on critical had a nice defensive element and demanded knowledge of the options and nuances to Sora's moveset, and I hope III will take that further by making changes more conducive to strategizing and customization.
Come now. A lot of KH3 will be hashing out the details of this.
Repliku's not a "people".
I think that there just isn't enough of her there to draw out that kind of power.
That is, Naminé is an alter ego of the Kairi who has directly interfered with Sora's heart. Could this be why Sora and those hearts are connected to him were able to have their memories controlled?
She is a "non-being" in the truest sense of the word; having not even become a Nobody and with nowhere left to go, she is but the most fleeting of shadows.
She is a "non-being" in the truest sense of the word; having not even become a Nobody and with nowhere left to go, she is but the most fleeting of shadows.
Actually DiZ doesn't think so.
She's an independent existence. That's why she was able to manifest in Sora's heart. Namine, Xion and Roxas are all coming back.
It quite literally changed everything we thought we knew about our enemy.
It sets up the entire conflict for Kingdom Hearts 3.
R10Neymarfan
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It connects the main titles and our handheld titles and gives us the upcoming plot for KH3