badcrumble
Member
Roxas doesn't exactly exist quite as much as Sora does at the moment. He's no longer an independent, bodied individual. He doesn't have a body for Xehanort to steal.
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Roxas doesn't exactly exist quite as much as Sora does at the moment. He's no longer an independent, bodied individual. He doesn't have a body for Xehanort to steal.
Seven Force
Banned
He wasn't physically marked with it the sigil. It was just used for naming Roxas, same as with every other Org. member. The sigil isn't necessarily physical; It's mainly supposed to represent a Nobody being rejected from it's original persona.
badcrumble
Member
Yeah, but DDD retconned things so that it was also (secretly) something which would allow pieces of Xehanort's heart to be inserted into the people who had it in their name.
Seven Force
Banned
Did it? I thought Xenmas said completing and attaining the power of KH was what was going to let him flush out any potential vessels and insert Xehanort's heart in him.
Plus, Braig became a vessel without any involvement from the sigil.
I guess I need to read up on DDD again.
You said that the problem was the name, why are you suddenly bringing up the lack of body?
It's possible that Xenmas placed the sigil on all the original members of Org. 13 to track them but since they had to place a new sigil on Sora, that means Roxas's sigil is no longer active.
Yeah, you are making stuff up. The sigil in the name is neither necessary nor does it ensure that the individual can become a vessel. See the unfit members of the organization 13 and Sora in DDD.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Roxas > Idiot with a huge crush on an idiot like Terra
Roxas-Ven won't happen guys, let it go.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Xehanort replied to the Mickeys list:
So Xehanort recognizes Ven as one (or at least potential one) too. Also I don't know why you'd think Aqua would be one while being against Ven being one. Both have similar screentime and importance. If Roxas really was one of the 7 Ven isn't the one pushed away, it would probably be Lea or Kairi.
badcrumble
Member
Roxas's sigil is no longer active because Roxas is no longer active.
Yeah, Terranort's a given at this point. I'm still really curious as to how the saving of Terra will be handled with the whole split debacle and (DDD spoilers for anyone who hasn't got up to the TWTNW yet)
Time Travel
I could see Vanitas returning as one of the 13. A replacement of Sora would be fitting, but I suppose he would have had him in mind before then as a candidate.
I suppose you could also consider Dylan and Even candidates considering they weren't actually shown in DDD (awake and unstable there's still a reasonable timegate between that and the 13 reveal) but I'm reaching a bit with that one, if they were fit they'd have probably have been revealed in DDD rather than having their faces hidden under hoods.
They'll definately all be characters we've seen already.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Vexen needs to be one and become the next main villain teaming up with Hojo. Secret best KH character.
badcrumble
Member
My guess is that KH3's major-events timeline will go (very, very roughly) as follows:
1. One or several of Sora/Riku/Kairi/Mickey/Lea rescue Aqua from the World of Darkness
2. Aqua and Sora restore Ventus' heart and transform Castle Oblivion back into the Land of Departure
3. We now have 7 keyblade wielders (Sora, Riku, Kairi, Mickey, Lea, Aqua, Ventus)
4. The 7 lights and the 13 darknesses clash, forming the X-blade, and unlocking Kingdom Hearts
5. Now that that has already happened, Terranort is restored back to Terra
6. Final battle with Master Xehanort
But there could always be twists of one sort or another. That's still roughly what I expect.
He exists within Sora and can speak to him in his subconsciousness, I would not call him no ''longer active''. And there must be a way to remove the sigil, otherwise Sora would be screwed as well. Saying that he is under Xenahort's influence as long as he is called Roxas is ridiculous; Xenahort doesn't have control of every X in the world.
Seven Force
Banned
So that Famitsu interview from a few days ago has been properly translated. The interesting stuff:
badcrumble
Member
Oh, Roxas isn't *gone,* but he no longer has a body or a physical presence. The sigil was removed from Sora by taking him out of the dream in which he had the X on his clothing. The X doesn't mean Xehanort was *controlling* Roxas or events obviously would have gone differently, but it's a way for him to assert influence and keeps a part of him tied to them. That was the secret aim of the original Organization XIII.
See, I don't think Roxas's sigil is present anymore. If it were, that would mean that Axel's would be still active too, but DDD makes a strong case against that.
badcrumble
Member
Axel's isn't either because Axel is gone and Lea is back. It's the same logic for Roxas and Sora.
Finally made this gif. I've been meaning to do it for the longest time.
But Axel is not gone; the ''new Lea'' is simply Axel + his old heart. If that were not the case, Lea would not have retained Axel's memories and powers.
But Axel is not gone; the ''new Lea'' is simply Axel + his old heart. If that were not the case, Lea would not have retained Axel's memories and powers.
badcrumble
Member
Part of the point of this scene is that, tragically, Roxas isn't really correct. His story is a pretty sad one.Finally made this gif. I've been meaning to do it for the longest time.
Sure, but he's Lea now. Not Axel. He's also got all of Lea's memories, and that's who he is. It's a very key distinction.
Seven Force
Banned
I think at this point, it's kinda silly to definitively state how the Roxas/Ven thing will play out. Though I'd prefer them to be combined (Ven + Roxas' memories) I can admit there's some reasons the opposite can play out, and I'd like to think that those on the opposite side have similar opinions on how up in the air both possibilities are.
Futhermore, we're talking about a series where the main antagonist went from a single scientist falling prey to the very experiments he researched, to a frail, power hungry old man that wants to make a group made up of thirteen of himself (including a
) to conquer the universe and restore balance or whatever. Anyfuckingthing can happen.
Futhermore, we're talking about a series where the main antagonist went from a single scientist falling prey to the very experiments he researched, to a frail, power hungry old man that wants to make a group made up of thirteen of himself (including a
time traveled, teenage version of himself
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I don't think Nomura will do the Roxas + Ven crap. It looks to me like Nomura is trying hard to justify Roxas being his own person, for example the KH DDD scene, the scene that's gif'd above, the fact that Nobodies can grow hearts, and that he is an important character to the story. The only major thing Ventus did was stop the xblade from forming. Roxas killed his own friend which caused everybody to forget about her, Roxas had the balls to leave the organization, and most importantly Roxas accepted his fate and joined Sora so that he could wake up.
I think Roxas is as important as Sora, Riku, etc.
There's also that little detail that Roxas + Ven would be a fucking shitstorm because they are so different from each other emotionally.
I think Roxas is as important as Sora, Riku, etc.
There's also that little detail that Roxas + Ven would be a fucking shitstorm because they are so different from each other emotionally.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Personal opinion if it isn't clear already:
Best outcome: Roxas stays as he is. The character and his story is over outside of your basic flashbacks/Inside Soras head stuff.
Ehh outcome: Ventus-Roxas
Nightmare outcome: Sora gives birth to everyone
And yes, I know Nomura will probably go with the last one.
Best outcome: Roxas stays as he is. The character and his story is over outside of your basic flashbacks/Inside Soras head stuff.
Ehh outcome: Ventus-Roxas
Nightmare outcome: Sora gives birth to everyone
And yes, I know Nomura will probably go with the last one.
Right, but the current Lea still has every bit of what made Axel Axel, which would would include the sigil. If the recusant sigil was really so hard to remove that Roxas would still be marked by it just for keeping his name, Lea would have to still be marked too. To me it seems that it's actually quite easy to get rid of the sigil; Sora basically just had a change of clothes.
I'm actually so sure about Roxas being his own person that I'm willing to bet a copy of Kingdom Hearts 3, any system, any region. The copy can be either regular or special edition depending on how confident you are.
The rules:
During or by the end of KH3 Roxas is his own person (has his own body)-> I win
By the end of KH3 Ven has absorbed Roxas -> I lose
Something else happens -> tie
If it's unclear what really happened, supplementary information from the Ultimania or interviews counts.
Any Roxas=Ven heretics willing put money where their mouth is?
badcrumble
Member
Eh, no more of a shitstorm than Roxas & Sora has been (and it's been fine).
Uh, Lea no longer has an X in his name. That's the Recusant's Sigil. He has the rest of Axel, sure, but not that anymore. The part of "Axel" that he lost was *precisely* just the sigil - just the X. Axel wasn't a "true" name anyway, it was one that Xemnas invented. Same with Roxas - that name comes from Xemnas too. There's no need to hold on to it in either case. I think you guys are letting your emotional attachments to Roxas (and, for some reason, to that specific name) blind you to reason, frankly.
I'm going to buy KH3 at launch anyway (with the correct English voices, not an import) so I really have no reason to take this bet. Feel free to say "I told you so" if you're right, though. I certainly plan to.
Napalm_Frank
Member
But the thing is I think Roxas WILL be his own person at the end with body and all. And I think it is fuckin stupid and ruins any story that has been built for him.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Sora is going to become a mom by the end of KH 3 and you all know it.
Napalm_Frank
Member
After DDD it is the only way for Nomura to top himself before the saga is over.
But did he really abandon his old name? At first he insists on being called Lea, but at a certain point he just drops the issue; at the very end of DDD he has no objections to being called Axel and I think he will go by that name in KH3.
As I see it, the sigil wasn't just the name, otherwise Xenahort could just go around adding Xs to everyone's names, it was an actual physical thing/spell, as seen here:
I see no reason for Roxas to be stuck with it, if Sora could so easily remove his.
I also plan to buy KH3 at launch and play through it before declaring the winner of the bet, but even so I would just PayPal you what you paid for the game (+shipping if applicable), so you could just buy another game. There's no reason for you not to take the bet if you are so confident.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
I don't want Roxas to be made his own person because the existential angst is the whole point of the character. KH2 (and to a lesser extent Days) loses its dramatic weight (lol) if you undo Roxas' sacrifice.
I see Roxas's inevitable ''revival'' as a fitting final chapter of his struggle to be accepted.
Xion on the other hand... I just don't know how Nomura can solve her situation in a satisfactory way.
EDIT: Another gif:
With Vexen/Even on your team, you can make the impossible possible.
Those Replicas... was it ever fleshed out what they actually were? I keep imagining them to be Dusks or some lifeless Nobody shell that had captured memories poured in until it developed its own conscious. But I can't be sure if that is the result of what I learned playing the games or being influenced by fan theories (I've read a few over the years).
The problem is not how to bring her back but the consequences of doing so.
I think replicas are just man made marvels of engineering. From Days's secret reports:
Axel: ''How is a man-made puppet any less worthy than a Nobody that was never meant to exist at all?''
But then again ,Axel is not the brightest.
Vexen: ''One thing is clear: should these Replicas not be classified as a special sort of Nobody?''
Maybe they do share a connection with dusks...
Xion was empty in the beginning and was made to absorb Sora's memories. On the other hand, Namine filled Repliku with false memories.
WeaponKnight
Member
That's one other ability Roxas has: he can read backwards even when he's high.
I just found the music for The World That Never Was in KH3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmy506jvI3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmy506jvI3k
Blood Diamonds
Banned
We need more Roxas gif in here
So I had started KH1 awhile ago, just finished The Last of Us, and decided to go back to KH. I was around 5 hours in, still in Wonderland. I got to the Tarzan world then stopped for the day. I'm really enjoying it so far, even though I haven't really played any Square stuff.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Napalm_Frank
Member
I think the best solution is simple:split timeline with both having nothing to do with eachother.
Roxas is the main character in the first one. His games are available on mobile devices giving the experiences his fans have grown to love in vein of 358/2 days!
Sora is the main character in the second one. His games are available on high end home consoles. Roxas doesn't survive (read: he doesn't born) the events of KH3
Roxas is the main character in the first one. His games are available on mobile devices giving the experiences his fans have grown to love in vein of 358/2 days!
Sora is the main character in the second one. His games are available on high end home consoles. Roxas doesn't survive (read: he doesn't born) the events of KH3
Blood Diamonds
Banned
So uh, you guys remember that PC Kingdom Hearts X game?
Got some screens off my Tumblr dash and apparently there's a new trailer but idk
Got some screens off my Tumblr dash and apparently there's a new trailer but idk
It's an abomination. Hopefully it last no longer than KH Mobile, but at least it keeps the brand relevant.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
WAIT A SECOND I JUST SAW THIS YOU BASTARD
This hurts so much :c
the grin on my face is bigger than the earf
Xux
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEvAN7A_MKE&feature=youtu.be&a
It looks pretty good. Art style's better than the abonimination that was the KH Mobile/Theatrhythm one. Animation's ok---
Oh, it's a card game. NVM.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
stfu groof omg take ur h8 somewhere else
but bby i luvz u 5eva :'(
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I'm sorry but this wont work if u keep h8ing on roxas :'''''(
Fiveever?