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[Prine]

Seriously, UK price point for the superior model isnt that bad. Quite reasonable tbh. We've been screwed for so long, weve basically become immune to high price points.

I was expecting £300 + for 360, £280 is affordable here (for a new console)

 

[teiresias]

Actually, I just realized, the price MS is charging for the memory cards suddenly makes Sony using standard Memory Sticks for saving games on PS3 not so "expensive" sounding anymore!

 

[Scotch]

I think you're all a little overreacting. But hey, I'm European so I guess I'm used to getting screwed.

But with the PS2 being around €500 and the Xbox €480 at launch, this is actually a pretty decent price.

 

[Angst]

If I would ever release a console I'd do it at $50 and heftily overprice the accessories.... oh, wait MS overpriced the console and the accessories...

 

[GhaleonEB]

My biggest concern is that the HDD is optional. This means very, very low 3rd party support. Fuck you MS. I think all my posts for a while need to end with that.

 

[Yusaku]

They should've just launched with wireless controller + HD for $350 as the only configuration.

 

[Prine]

I think you're all a little overreacting. But hey, I'm European so I guess I'm used to getting screwed.

But with the PS2 being around €500 and the Xbox €480 at launch, this is actually a pretty decent price.

exactly, £280 for 360 SUPER bundle is reasonable. We sell 60GB ipods for £280

 

[vatstep]

And the shot of the 'expensive' version av cables looks like you get component + composite. No digital audio out though - any sign of that in the accessories?

I'm pretty sure that the optical out is on the base of the cord. Notice that the actual cord part comes out on the side of the plug, leaving room for a standard optical input.

 

[DarienA]

Actually, I just realized, the price MS is charging for the memory cards suddenly makes Sony using standard Memory Sticks for saving games on PS3 not so "expensive" sounding anymore!

Memory Unit (64 MB) $39.99

From CompUSA: 128MB Memory Stick Pro: $37.99.... ouch.

 

[ThunderEmperor]

"Come to uncle Ken, you poor misguided souls"

lol uncle ken must be laughing. :lol

 

[brandonh83]

Don't forget a $40 memory card to save games. You'll give up a hard drive, wireless controller, headset, and remote to save a grand total of $20?

Regarding the HDD pricing, don't forget it includes that magical Nvidia royalty.

You know, I actually posted what I said before realizing the "core" version doesn't have a hard drive. Fuck.

 

[Mama Smurf]

I'll go with the one, maybe two people who actually think this is cheap! :lol

It's all perception, but those UK prices seem very reasonable. Some of the accessories are a bit steep admittedly, but I would NOT have expected to only be paying £279.99 for that premium package!

 

[dark10x]

Can't believe I missed this thread...

I was exactly right with my predictions, but that doesn't mean I'm happy about it... :\

 

[Nerevar]

:lol

thanks but no thanks MS. Nice job losing potential customers though.

Ironically, I would be more interested in buying if they were releasing just 1 sku at the $400 price point.

 

[dem]

Wow

MS is the new Sega



YOOOOU ARRRE SOOO STUPIDDD

 

[Prine]

I'll go with the one, maybe two people who actually think this is cheap! :lol

It's all perception, but those UK prices seem very reasonable. Some of the accessories are a bit steep admittedly, but I would NOT have expected to only be paying £279.99 for that premium package!

*high fives Mama Smurf*

 

[Beer Monkey]

No digital audio out though - any sign of that in the accessories?

I think there's a standard TOSLINK out on the system itself, like PS2.

 

[DopeyFish]

My biggest concern is that the HDD is optional. This means very, very low 3rd party support. Fuck you MS. I think all my posts for a while need to end with that.

oh my GOD

Not many xbox games supported the hard drive as a feature in the first place.

almost all the ones that did support the hard drive were sloppy. So in essence the hard drive was a big memory card. That's what it is on the 360.. If game coders want to, if the hard drive is present they can code for it to alleviate loading times.

Oh and did you happen to see how much more 3rd party support xbox 360 has as opposed to xbox?

kthx.

 

[Vandiger]

I can't accept those prices, sorry I'll wait even if the games themselves are to die for, I can play other shit. FU MS

 

[jarrod]

They should've just launched with wireless controller + HD for $299 as the only configuration.

Fixed. They then should've sold the 40GB HD as an upgrade @ $99 and the wireless controllers only for $39. And the wifi card should be like $59 max.

Oh and Game Boy Micro should be $79. Today sucks for pricing.

 

[scissorfight]

Well ain't this a kick in the junk. I don't know how anyone can feel anything but mislead by all the early info from MS.

"HD ERA is coming!"

*no HD cables in standard 360 'core' system

"Freedom from wires! Wireless controllers!"

*Wired controller in standard 360 'core' system

"Xbox Live Silver - Free live on weekends!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"20 Gb hard drive!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"Bacwards Compatability!...
...
...somewhat!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system


I think I'll pass. Can I get a refund for a pre-order at Gamestop?

 

[mrklaw]

up at xbox.com now Link to UK pages


says you get the component cable in the standard pack too - with SCART adapter (for the composite bit)

So if I was happy(?) with a wired controller and a cheap memory card....I could save a few quid.

 

[DarienA]

oh my GOD

Not many xbox games supported the hard drive as a feature in the first place.

almost all the ones that did support the hard drive were sloppy. So in essence the hard drive was a big memory card. That's what it is on the 360.. If game coders want to, if the hard drive is present they can code for it to alleviate loading times.

Oh and did you happen to see how much more 3rd party support xbox 360 has as opposed to xbox?

kthx.

How are they handling custom soundtracks Dopey? I'm assuming on the Core unit custom soundtracks are just an unavailable option.... then as soon as you buy a hard drive and slap it in, it becomes available?

And can the core system access XBL?

 

[dark10x]

oh my GOD

Not many xbox games supported the hard drive as a feature in the first place.

almost all the ones that did support the hard drive were sloppy. So in essence the hard drive was a big memory card. That's what it is on the 360.. If game coders want to, if the hard drive is present they can code for it to alleviate loading times.

Oh and did you happen to see how much more 3rd party support xbox 360 has as opposed to xbox?

kthx.

I hope you realize that a LOT of XBOX games use and will require the HDD, right? It seems like the HDD will become a key for unlocking backwards compatibility. At the very least, most of the BIG XBOX titles put the HDD to extensive use. Halo and Halo 2, for instance, will not be able to operate without an HDD (unless the memcard can emulate it or something).

How are they handling custom soundtracks Dopey?

You can use external devices for soundtracks.

 

[jet1911]

399$US -> 481$ Can...

 

[Azure Dream]

At least the core system has no gaudy chrome. :lol

You're right, I didn't notice that at first. So even the physical system is different? (I assume changing faceplates doesn't change the disc tray cover, but maybe I'm wrong.)

 

[DopeyFish]

How are they handling custom soundtracks Dopey? I'm assuming on the Core unit custom soundtracks are just an unavailable option.... then as soon as you buy a hard drive and slap it in, it becomes available?

you can stream through the network from your computer and possibly maybe rip music onto your memory cards. (though i'm not 100% sure)

edit: ^ oh yes! and you can even plug in your mp3 players and stream from them too

 

[pilonv1]

you can stream through the network from your computer and possibly maybe rip music onto your memory cards. (though i'm not 100% sure)

Wasn't there also an option to stream from portable media devices? Wasn't that the point of having PSP on the slide at E3?

 

[PhatSaqs]

Well ain't this a kick in the junk. I don't know how anyone can feel anything but mislead by all the early info from MS.

"HD ERA is coming!"

*no HD cables in standard 360 'core' system

"Freedom from wires! Wireless controllers!"

*Wired controller in standard 360 'core' system

"Xbox Live Silver - Free live on weekends!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"20 Gb hard drive!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"Bacwards Compatability!...
...
...somewhat!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system


I think I'll pass. Can I get a refund for a pre-order at Gamestop?

Again, looking at the (overpriced) peripheral prices, why would you want the standard core system to begin with? You need at least a mem card. Add a headset for Live and you're at $360.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

How are they handling custom soundtracks Dopey? I'm assuming on the Core unit custom soundtracks are just an unavailable option.... then as soon as you buy a hard drive and slap it in, it becomes available?

And can the core system access XBL?

I would think you can stream music from a PC still at least.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

This has been a great thread, can't wait for the PS3 announcement on this

 

[The Faceless Master]

You're right, I didn't notice that at first. So even the physical system is different? (I assume changing faceplates doesn't change the disc tray cover, but maybe I'm wrong.)

it doesn't...

 

[GhaleonEB]

Well ain't this a kick in the junk. I don't know how anyone can feel anything but mislead by all the early info from MS.

"HD ERA is coming!"

*no HD cables in standard 360 'core' system

"Freedom from wires! Wireless controllers!"

*Wired controller in standard 360 'core' system

"Xbox Live Silver - Free live on weekends!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"20 Gb hard drive!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"Bacwards Compatability!...
...
...somewhat!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

You also forgot - no HD optical drive - at all.

 

[Solid]

so my old xbox cables wont work with 360? (headset, scart cable)

 

[Nerevar]

Well ain't this a kick in the junk. I don't know how anyone can feel anything but mislead by all the early info from MS.

"HD ERA is coming!"

*no HD cables in standard 360 'core' system

"Freedom from wires! Wireless controllers!"

*Wired controller in standard 360 'core' system

"Xbox Live Silver - Free live on weekends!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"20 Gb hard drive!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system

"Bacwards Compatability!...
...
...somewhat!"

*not included in standard 360 'core' system


I think I'll pass. Can I get a refund for a pre-order at Gamestop?

:lol

count me in.

Wait till PS3 is the new wait till Spaceworld.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Michael Pachter, of Wedbush Morgan Securities, wasn't as cheerful. He sees the $299 model as a "publicity stunt." "They're doing it to say they are launching at $299. The hardcore guys will absolutely not buy the $299 model...Only a complete idiot would buy the $299 model."

:lol :lol :lol

wow, it looks like the analysts are on a roll!

 

[DarienA]

you can stream through the network from your computer and possibly maybe rip music onto your memory cards. (though i'm not 100% sure)

edit: ^ oh yes! and you can even plug in your mp3 players and stream from them too

Ok... and accessing XBL?

 

[DopeyFish]

You also forgot - no HD optical drive - at all.

Microsoft isn't getting caught in the middle of a format war just in case they end up on the losing side. Xbox 360 versions will most likely carry THE HD format later on as another package or something.

 

[seanoff]

MSs problem here is that all the stuff they blurbed in the marketing is OPTIONAL and u bend over for the privelege or it isn't possible(HD).

HD Era - not with fucking composite cables it isn't

HD Era - not for movies off a DVD drive

Wireless Networking - bend over boys and girls

Wireless Controllers - u pay thru the nose for the contoller, batteries and charger WEEEEE

HDD - if its optional, make it really plain its optional


Under promise and over deliver, don't fuck people around. It pisses them off.

Bad MS, really bad. I think they've been living as a monopoly for too long. NFI how it works with competition.

 

[pilonv1]

Wait till PS3 is the new wait till Spaceworld.

I'm not expecting PS3 to be much better. Fuck the one console future, ONE GENERATION FUTURE!

 

[DopeyFish]

Ok... and accessing XBL?

doesn't require the hard drive at all. just a memory card to store account information.

 

[neptunes]

half of OA is jumping ship

 

[dbish]

By now this is probably redundant, but it is a favor for a friend -

Juice says that he is elated for having been right all along and would have said so himself but is currently banned.

 

[pestul]

I'm now expecting an equally shocking response when the PS3s price is announced.. I think we might just skip this generation. That'll teach'em..

 

[scissorfight]

You also forgot - no HD optical drive - at all.

No, they never claimed they'd have one at launch. All the stuff I listed was believed to be inlcuded in the base version, with the exception of the HDD lately (and even that was thought to be included after E3).

Not one person here can claim that they thought the controllers in the base version would be wired after all the fuss MS made about the wireless controllers.

 

[pilonv1]

I think we might just skip this generation. That'll teach'em..

Then join me for the ONE GENERATION FUTURE!

 

[Lo-Volt]

I'm now expecting an equally shocking response when the PS3s price is announced.. I think we might just skip this generation. That'll teach'em..

I might, honestly. Maybe Nintendo can pull a trick.

 

[sprsk]

I'm now expecting an equally shocking response when the PS3s price is announced.. I think we might just skip this generation. That'll teach'em..

itl prolly be the same shock we saw when the psp price was announced :lol:

 

[krypt0nian]

half of OA is jumping ship

More than half of most xbox forums are as well.

 

[FiRez]

The avatar of phatshaqs seems appropiated for this time:

(it only needs an x360 instead of blood)


man I'm so pissed right now.