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LA Times: Microsoft announces X360 pricing at lollapalooza 2005
- Thread starter gofreak
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I realize now that there was the same reaction to the PSP price. I was really vocal at that point since the PSP was a sure buy for me. But that price was too high. This time, the 360 wasn't so much of a sure buy, but I was leaning towards getting a launch system since I was kinda expecting the $300 with HDD. But this price is too high, and for everything. Maybe this should be a sign to Sony and Nintendo that they can't push this envelope too far. There's a cutoff where the system will completely tank 3DO-style.
I doubt we get a PS3 price until next Feb. I think they'll just wait to see how 360 consoles and periphs sell at this pricepoint. Is this how expensive gaming is over in EU or JP normally? If so, then this sucks. I don't miss the days of $70 games. PEACE.
I doubt we get a PS3 price until next Feb. I think they'll just wait to see how 360 consoles and periphs sell at this pricepoint. Is this how expensive gaming is over in EU or JP normally? If so, then this sucks. I don't miss the days of $70 games. PEACE.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I have to say, this is pretty great to see. I don't think there's ever been a time before when I've seen UKers happy at the price of something and North Americans losing it.
I'm enjoying this immensly.
I'm enjoying this immensly.
scissorfight
Banned
You know the most dissapointing thing? Why would developers do anything with the HDD besides caching if all 360's don't have one?
You won't see cool things like your own replays on sportscenter in NFL 2K5.
This blows.
You won't see cool things like your own replays on sportscenter in NFL 2K5.
This blows.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Hell, even the wired controllers are selling for the same price in the UK as the Xbox's.
I can accept the $400 value pack since its reasonable to me. My limit is overpriced accessories I can't stand shit like paying $40 for cables or even the wired controller. I will not support this kind of pricing on shit thats probably cheap to produce, nope MS can just shove thier shitty accessories up thier ass if they seem to think they can get away with such tactics.
Sweet Prince
Banned
i'll wait for the one with an HD-DVD drive, thanks.
looks like i'll be getting a Revolution at launch.
looks like i'll be getting a Revolution at launch.
jarrod said:Fixed. They then should've sold the 40GB HD as an upgrade @ $99 and the wireless controllers only for $39. And the wifi card should be like $59 max.
Oh and Game Boy Micro should be $79. Today sucks for pricing.
Except a 20GB 2.5" HD would be almost a third of the cost of the system. If this was a 3.5" HD there wouldn't even be any debate about having it standard.
Xbox was $299
Xbox 360 is $299 as a core system
the dollar is WEAKER now than it was in 2001
so by comparison, Xbox 360 actually costs less than xbox did... comparitively.
(which means xbox 360 premium will cost almost the same as xbox did in canada... yay)
Xbox 360 is $299 as a core system
the dollar is WEAKER now than it was in 2001
so by comparison, Xbox 360 actually costs less than xbox did... comparitively.
(which means xbox 360 premium will cost almost the same as xbox did in canada... yay)
Apharmd Battler
Member
These are my thoughts I posted in another forum. Not that anyone here will give a damn and write this off as XBot damage control but to each his own. Everybody wants a deal I guess:
"1) I expected a price of $399 with the HDD and such. If my memory serves me correctly, that's what I payed for the orginal XBox and I think the PS2 as well. So that's why I made sure I socked that much away. I guess many were hoping that M$ would eat a chunk and cut gamers a deal. Wishful thinking, now let's see the what Sony tries to sell the PS3 for. I think M$ fully reliazes that most casual gamers out there aren't realltl going to take advantage of what the HDD will offer right away. Also you don't need an HDD to access XBL on the current XBox. You can put your account on a memory card, remember? I know hardcore like myself will eat it up the benefits of the HDD, but let's be real. I know for a fact that it took a while for people to start utilizing custom soundtracks in games. You can pretty much be sure that if you play on live and want some of the DLC maps and levels, you'll be needing a HDD. Also, isn't M$ offering a bigger HDD later on (40GB)? I rememebr reading this as well. So getting the basic package may work in your favor. Who knows?
2) There is no splitting the user base by not including the HDD. You can always buy one later when you have the cash. I know I've read a few article where M$ has told developers not to rely on HDD for caching data. I'll try to do some digging and post links later. Hell I know I just read this over at XBox-Scene.com this weekend. IMHO, they're giving gamers without loot a break by offering a more affrodable model. It still has all the functionality you can just upgrade with other componenets when you have the loot. If a devleoper wnats to include the HDD option he can, but M$ has stated that it should NOT be a requirement.
3) This is why I've been socking away money for the console since E3. My wife was planning on getting me the XBox360 for my birthday. When she called EB to see how much I had down she was actually upset that I had so much money stashed for the console (i.e. she couldn't surprise me with a cool gift).
4) Now what will get me pissed is if EB, amestop, and the other places try to run the 'bundle' game again. I have the cash, but I'm for one and tired of these places padding the coffers with this bundle sham. Why do you think a lot of launch titles sold one million copies?! It's not that I won't buy 2-3 titles, I just don't like being forced to pick and choose. But I guess that's the price we pay if we don't want to be in the tremendously long Toy-R-US, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy lines hoping to get a console <thinks of SouthPark episode when Cartman didn't get a PSP>. "
"1) I expected a price of $399 with the HDD and such. If my memory serves me correctly, that's what I payed for the orginal XBox and I think the PS2 as well. So that's why I made sure I socked that much away. I guess many were hoping that M$ would eat a chunk and cut gamers a deal. Wishful thinking, now let's see the what Sony tries to sell the PS3 for. I think M$ fully reliazes that most casual gamers out there aren't realltl going to take advantage of what the HDD will offer right away. Also you don't need an HDD to access XBL on the current XBox. You can put your account on a memory card, remember? I know hardcore like myself will eat it up the benefits of the HDD, but let's be real. I know for a fact that it took a while for people to start utilizing custom soundtracks in games. You can pretty much be sure that if you play on live and want some of the DLC maps and levels, you'll be needing a HDD. Also, isn't M$ offering a bigger HDD later on (40GB)? I rememebr reading this as well. So getting the basic package may work in your favor. Who knows?
2) There is no splitting the user base by not including the HDD. You can always buy one later when you have the cash. I know I've read a few article where M$ has told developers not to rely on HDD for caching data. I'll try to do some digging and post links later. Hell I know I just read this over at XBox-Scene.com this weekend. IMHO, they're giving gamers without loot a break by offering a more affrodable model. It still has all the functionality you can just upgrade with other componenets when you have the loot. If a devleoper wnats to include the HDD option he can, but M$ has stated that it should NOT be a requirement.
3) This is why I've been socking away money for the console since E3. My wife was planning on getting me the XBox360 for my birthday. When she called EB to see how much I had down she was actually upset that I had so much money stashed for the console (i.e. she couldn't surprise me with a cool gift).
4) Now what will get me pissed is if EB, amestop, and the other places try to run the 'bundle' game again. I have the cash, but I'm for one and tired of these places padding the coffers with this bundle sham. Why do you think a lot of launch titles sold one million copies?! It's not that I won't buy 2-3 titles, I just don't like being forced to pick and choose. But I guess that's the price we pay if we don't want to be in the tremendously long Toy-R-US, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy lines hoping to get a console <thinks of SouthPark episode when Cartman didn't get a PSP>. "
Apharmd Battler said:
How can people now downplay the lack of a HD... goddamn that's what was played up ever since the first Xbox came in to existence!
And I think we've also had countless arguments how certain online MMORPGS sales might have been damaged because a certain system didn't launch WITH it's hard drive.
Is there some data out there that now says only hardcore $399 gamers are gonna want to play online MMORPGS anyway?
399$US is a great price for what you get. Cutting edge hardware + wireless remote (hey that still is still 30$CAN for the first xb), hd, AND wireless controller, I think it's worth. Fuck, My x800PRO cost me more than last last year when it came out.
399$ for 4 years of gaming is nothing. Nothing.
edit: 399$ is cheaper than what the ps2 and xbox were when it launched
399$ for 4 years of gaming is nothing. Nothing.
edit: 399$ is cheaper than what the ps2 and xbox were when it launched
AltogetherAndrews
Banned
Microsoft can eat tar and die.
Buffy4ever
Banned
Wario64 said:
Iam with you Wario 64. I refuse to move to next Gen.
Yes, this is my biggest concern. The one thing that 360 seemed to have on PS3 was the HDD. I assumed that games could use this HDD as a means of improving performance...but I don't see how this could happen now. I mean, it COULD be an option...but how many devs would add this option for something that isn't standard? Their time is better spent optimizing for the disc based loading.FiRez said:
You know what else pisses me off? Sony could be less aggressive with their PS3 pricing now...
I'm not too worried about cost myself, but this is going to cause a lot of problems for many people.
krypt0nian
Banned
Prine said:
Cause this time at least you got kissed and they used the lube.
fortified_concept
Banned
rusty said:
Quoted for truth. What really pisses me off about this news is that Microsoft blatantly lied to us. I mean wtf did Allard (iirc) meant when he said that the hdd would be standard and that the first Xbox360 that would hit the market will have an hdd? Was it all stupid PR double-talk?
CaptainStrong
Member
as before:
you're getting an XBOX without the harddrive and with a better videocard. way to advance the industry
you're getting an XBOX without the harddrive and with a better videocard. way to advance the industry
I am now convinced that 99% of gamers are retards, judging by the majority of posts this morning. I'm going back to bed, I didn't wake up to find myself talking to pre-teens who can't afford a measily amount of money. Wah wah indeed.
And I thought u was hardkore!
And I thought u was hardkore!
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I guess I was spoiled by Microsofts willingness to lose money on the first Xbox. Of course, I didn't buy at launch for any of this gens consoles so they all felt like better values. Still, I felt as though the 1st console made me a rather loyal customer though this announcement discourages my buying dollars.
It just doesn't seem worth it to me. Even though there's several games I'd like to play, there's nothing there yet that I have to play...like most launches. I'm making more money than I ever have, but I'm not paying a premium for buyers remorse.
Also, not to defend their upcoming ass-raping of gamers, but at least Sony has done a lot to make themselves seem the most powerful of the upcoming systems and has the added bonus of making it seem like their consoles are a continuing investment in your game library as the compatible library is HUGE. You feel like less of a heel paying a kings ransom for that.
It just doesn't seem worth it to me. Even though there's several games I'd like to play, there's nothing there yet that I have to play...like most launches. I'm making more money than I ever have, but I'm not paying a premium for buyers remorse.
Also, not to defend their upcoming ass-raping of gamers, but at least Sony has done a lot to make themselves seem the most powerful of the upcoming systems and has the added bonus of making it seem like their consoles are a continuing investment in your game library as the compatible library is HUGE. You feel like less of a heel paying a kings ransom for that.
Price be damned, prices go up and down. Its the no HDD as standard that pisses me off the most, since I know now it won't be even vaguely utilised as much as it could of. HDD is what set the Xbox apart from competition, with custom soundtracks, Live downloads and *ahem* modding.
Microsoft needed to focus on those strengths and improve them. Instead they've turned their back on them almost by making them 'optional'.
Whereas I was going to get an X360 since it seemed a wonderful proposition (wireless controllers as standard, better hdd support, free live at weekends... ) , now I will be holding off until either Halo 3, or the sudden appearance of a holy trinity of AAAA titles.
Seriously, fuck you MS, I supported the Xbox as it was great, but right off the bat you're fucking its successor up. Now it pains me to even consider saving up the remorgaging price the PS3 will require.
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Microsoft needed to focus on those strengths and improve them. Instead they've turned their back on them almost by making them 'optional'.
Whereas I was going to get an X360 since it seemed a wonderful proposition (wireless controllers as standard, better hdd support, free live at weekends... ) , now I will be holding off until either Halo 3, or the sudden appearance of a holy trinity of AAAA titles.
Seriously, fuck you MS, I supported the Xbox as it was great, but right off the bat you're fucking its successor up. Now it pains me to even consider saving up the remorgaging price the PS3 will require.
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krypt0nian
Banned
DopeyFish said:
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It's not about the money for me (and plenty of others here). However, price makes quite a difference to a lot of others and could seriously impact the succes of the console with the general market.DopeyFish said:
Like I said, the ONLY thing that pisses me off is the lack of a standard HDD as it will no longer be used as it could have been. You act as if no XBOX games used the HDD, but you could not be more wrong. A lot of the biggest titles used the caching features of the HDD in order to provides seamless experiences. Ninja Gaiden relied heavily on this feature, for example.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
I was laughing and having a good time with the news until I reached the pricing breakdown for accessories and whatnot.
That's just depressing.
That's just depressing.