Leader of Oregon occupation Ammon Bundy, at least 8 others arrested
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ConfusingJazz
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Hey guys, a couple people got shot and possibly died, no celebratory gifs.
My criminal law is a bit rusty but I don't recall felony murder extending to accomplices getting killed in shootouts with the police. It's for when a victim dies as a result of the criminal act.
What kind of sick person labels our mentally ill terrorists?!
DrForester
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Took over a government facility and demanded to release of two criminals
Destroyed government property
Threatened violence against law enforcement
Brought children to serve as human shields.
This.
entremet
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Well, they are U.S. citizens and have the right of due process, no matter how scummy they are.
and just in case you need clarification on terrorism:
ergo, they are terrorists.
Hellwarden
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Shame a person was killed, but at least it's over.
Arkos
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Oh man, do we know who? Please don't be one of the arresting officers.
Trojita
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I didn't see this ever ending peacefully unless they just got bored and no one gave a crap about their rebellion.
eu pfhor ia
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so there was a death at the shooting? No word on anything going down at the refuge, I hope
stay safe, Oregonians
stay safe, Oregonians
Random_Stranger
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This may be why the hospital is on lockdown. They do not know what the rest of their group is going to do.
uncredited male
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From letting them get the run of the place to this. The rest of them are going to be fired up now. What a mess.
mmazurkiewicz
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they used violence? who was hurt? i need clarification.
smokeandmirrors
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id be okay with this
Threatened to kill law enforcement
theyre about as isolated as can be and are probably surrounded and under surveillance to see what they'll do next.
If they leave, they'll get picked up. If they act crazy, they'll get picked up. I think at this point they'll just start feeling the squeeze.
who knows at this point. all it takes is a crazy follower of bundy's beliefs and you'll have a shootout somewhere.
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Deleted member 1159
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It's a shame it came to violence, but I'm glad it wasn't an LEO that was killed.
Prototype Viktor
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What he doesn't know it's a double operation. Michelle inceptioned him as she's a undercover spy working for Billy Blanks
It's been explained with reason to you why they are terrorists. Good luck!
FO-totality
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I see Jon Ritzheimer's name isn't among the arrested. What are the chances he's one of the unnamed two?
RPGCrazied
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Good. Now arrest the rest, and get back to normal around those parts.
davepoobond
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i suppose as long as they are being called terrorists, then yes?
(the above does not show my opinion on the matter by the way)
PantherLotus
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Exchanging fire with the Feds is a bad idea. They're lucky they're not all dead -- tremendous act of mercy toward a group which would be treated much more harshly in basically any other setting.
DrForester
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I am REALLY curious to hear how this "traffic stop" went down.
Were the feds finally done and arresting them?
Were they doing something at the time to cause cops to finally go after them?
Who shot first?
How many shots were fired? (I'm guessing not many since no Law Enforcement was injured, and only two of the criminals were shot, only one fatally)
Thanks for the links. Searching around there seems to be some common law variance state by state but some do extend to accomplices killed by police. Interesting. I think that might be overly punitive as a general concept but I'm not going to shed tears for those hit with it.
aspiegamer
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Aren't there a few hundred people total at this compound? Edit: Was their claims, but "dozens" is probably safe? A maximum of 8 armed persons under arrest as they were driving back to the place doesn't really scream "end of situation" to me, unfortunately.
Until Obama comes for his name.
Btw this could easily escalate into a ruby ridge nightmare.
DrForester
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If there was a shootout with police, I would imagine the Feds will throw the book at them. Rightly so.
FO-totality
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Given that there were only 8 involved here and the occupying group was estimated to be around 15-20, iirc, there's definitely still more at the refuge.
uncredited male
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It reads as some of them were driving to a meeting and were stopped. So the rest should be at the facility; or wherever they are actually staying in the town.
SaganIsGOAT
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Shots fired? Jesus
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Deleted member 1159
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It wouldn't surprise me if the feds shot first when the suspects didn't stand down or give up their weapons, but at this point who knows....
DrForester
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Some early tweets implied that the FBI was giving the people at the Refuge the chance to leave immediately. I have not seen this in any of the new stories so far though.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Hopefully it is proved that the terrorists fired first so they don't get a martyr.
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