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League of Legends |OT8| Goodbye, Promos.
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Purple Cheeto
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I had an Ez top lane on my team last night. The guy was a troll so I'm guessing this isn't a regular thing?
It's awful. I hate this TF disease.
it hasn't been too popular but in great part because mid lane has been all about assassins and people were just doing morellos+dfg with syndra in the cases i've seen or just morellos.
couldn't find the iem games but it's all about morellos:
http://na.lolesports.com/na-lcs/2015/expansion/matches/round-3/curse-academy-vs-team-coast-0
http://na.lolesports.com/na-lcs/2015/expansion/matches/round-3/final-five-vs-team-fusion-0
maybe in 4.21 pros will find the regen in athenes useful but like i said before, the items are too similar for interesting choices to be made. if the mp5 in athenes is insufficient you'll always get morellos because it's super cost effective
the problem is that new athenes has a big identity problem. like what it's for? it's like morellos but more expensive and with slightly more regen
and you can still achieve the same as before with tear or double morellos, so they didn't really remove that gameplay option. i'm not against nerfing athenes but this felt kind of lazy
had the most awful experience last night in the jungle with a team who just wouldn't listen to me
"they're at my red buff, ping ping ping". nobody comes.
"they're doing dragon and are REALLY LOW GO GO GO" I ping I'm going while I'm still 15 seconds out. I go and stop the dragon and almost kill all of them but die, meanwhile full HP corki is just a hop skip and jump away at my gromp and comes in and cleans up. so unnecessary that I die there if he had just collapsed with me
i was seriously infuriated at that game. like literally nobody listening to pings except panda, and he's just zyra so what's he gonna do
"they're at my red buff, ping ping ping". nobody comes.
"they're doing dragon and are REALLY LOW GO GO GO" I ping I'm going while I'm still 15 seconds out. I go and stop the dragon and almost kill all of them but die, meanwhile full HP corki is just a hop skip and jump away at my gromp and comes in and cleans up. so unnecessary that I die there if he had just collapsed with me
i was seriously infuriated at that game. like literally nobody listening to pings except panda, and he's just zyra so what's he gonna do
he wasnt even zyra in that game D:
had the most awful experience last night in the jungle with a team who just wouldn't listen to me
"they're at my red buff, ping ping ping". nobody comes.
"they're doing dragon and are REALLY LOW GO GO GO" I ping I'm going while I'm still 15 seconds out. I go and stop the dragon and almost kill all of them but die, meanwhile full HP corki is just a hop skip and jump away at my gromp and comes in and cleans up. so unnecessary that I die there if he had just collapsed with me
i was seriously infuriated at that game. like literally nobody listening to pings except panda, and he's just zyra so what's he gonna do
That is incredibly infuriating. Especially when it's a solo person invading you in the jungle or something. Should be easy kills if the team would just respond to pings
Lone_Prodigy
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Wanted to test Galio out with the new buff on his ult (which is amazing), so I picked him support. I haven't seen a Galio played in years and suddenly we had a mirror match support Galio bot.
What a coincidence, I was just thinking about trying Galio support after playing him in an ARAM yesterday. Do you max W>Q>E on him?
Nope, Q>W>E. Q for the poke in lane, which is quite strong if the enemy has no sustain. W after for making anyone u like tanky and E is a one point wonder early for utility.
His ult is awesome for picking off people and zoning if you aren't able to hit the whole team.
Mmmmm Skarner buffs.
Not sure if this is needed, but cool anyways.
Ranked.
Look at try hard over here in that picture. Should've bought 4 daggers to really drive the point home.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/12/1215-pbe-update.html
note, it's still being updated as time goes on
slight crit powershift from IE to PD. i really like PD as an item but felt it was a just a liiittle too out of reach when shiv is a cheaper buy.
Passive - Chilling smite [now steals 20% movement speed for 2 seconds but puts smite on a 60 second cooldown vs reducing enemy champions movement speed by 50% for 2 seconds.
so is it a straight up 20% MS taken from target and added to smiter, or does the smiter just get 20% buff?
note, it's still being updated as time goes on
slight crit powershift from IE to PD. i really like PD as an item but felt it was a just a liiittle too out of reach when shiv is a cheaper buy.
Passive - Chilling smite [now steals 20% movement speed for 2 seconds but puts smite on a 60 second cooldown vs reducing enemy champions movement speed by 50% for 2 seconds.
so is it a straight up 20% MS taken from target and added to smiter, or does the smiter just get 20% buff?
Stone Ocean
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Guess who is a mid laner again, E I E I O
I get the gromp and krugs increase but not the others
Peanut Butter
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Was hanging out at a friend's house today and he was signed into his account so I decided to run a match really quick.
Pre-game lobby-
Me: I'm going to jungle
Dude on team: OMG FFS NO JUNGLERRRRRR. Fu**ing go top with me, idiot.
Me: Ummmm, what?
Dude: Jungle isn't even a real position and every person that goes in there dies. If you pick that we feed, loser.
I just laughed and exited out of the game. I feel bad for my friend who has to put up with such random stuff like this as he levels up.
Pre-game lobby-
Me: I'm going to jungle
Dude on team: OMG FFS NO JUNGLERRRRRR. Fu**ing go top with me, idiot.
Me: Ummmm, what?
Dude: Jungle isn't even a real position and every person that goes in there dies. If you pick that we feed, loser.
I just laughed and exited out of the game. I feel bad for my friend who has to put up with such random stuff like this as he levels up.
Looks like Riot wants junglers to get their first jungle item upgrade asap with those changes.
I deal with that on my smurf. People want to duo top. I hate it so much. It's to where I will just play jungle most often on that account to make sure that we have a jungler.
Ah, the good ol days
Don't think so. Those health increases are all mostly offset (if no entirely offset) by the increase in the passive DoT on machete et. al. The lone exception is the Raptor camp which might be harder. The camp received an additional 290 health but the damage on the mini raptors was only reduced by 2. Pretty sure this is to make it harder for laners to grab a camp before going to lane.
Stone Ocean
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I agree. It's a pretty smart way to do it as well.
Lone_Prodigy
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The dude wins sometimes.
1846 MMR... is that Plat?
Try to identify opportunities where you can 1v1 people in the midgame and use your invisibility to force the fight. Warding helps create those catches.
Only the DoT of the upgraded machete got buffed though.
Making the camps harder to take for laners is one thing, but they should buff the normal machete too then.
Edit: no wait, they buffed the machete too. Yeah, then they're just making it tougher for laners to take. :d
Thanks. I'll look for those opportunities more.
Usually it'll be the support, the other ADC, the jungler, or someone who's just low. There's also a balance where you play really far back when the enemy team is looking to engage, because Twitch is able to contribute to teamfights from such a distance.
Stone Ocean
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Playing against a pokebot ain't fun either. Should have made her Q a skillshot.
Also I still don't get why Riot made Morello's cheaper in the first place. 2200 was already a steal, this thing is effective as shit
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
She's already beyond squishy and is still a somewhat weaker pick? Better bring out the nerfs!
RIP murderbot Sona.
I think this has been discussed a couple of times in the thread already, but on average I don't think most people have a lot of fun playing against ANY champion when they're losing, with only a few exceptions.
Skillshots can be dodged, but I don't know that I find dodging skillshots fun, especially with 96+ ping. If anything, it's stressful and annoying.
Some people may have fun playing certain champions or styles, but I don't know that it's feasible to make it fun to play AGAINST champions on average.
Stone Ocean
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If you're losing against skillshot champions, it's mostly because you didn't dodge the skillshots.
If you're losing against targeted champions, it's mostly because they got in range and pressed a button.
It's a pretty big difference. I find playing against good Oris and Cassiopeias fun because I can dodge their shit and they need to predict me, there's mechanical skill involved. I hate playing against the likes of LeBlanc because most of the burden of skill is on my end, I need to be able to shut them down by being able to do on-reaction stuff like swatting LeBlanc out of her W with Syndra's E, etc.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
She does have a good winrate which I guess is upsetting Riot for some reason. But yea I also agree that their whole point with the rework was to make her a more engaging champion but it really seems to have not worked out quite as they intended.
Gotta put that skin to use somehow.
skillshot always being better than targeted isn't exactly true either tho. ziggs and xerath aren't ever fun to play against because of their high firerate, range, aoe, etc. if ziggs' q was short ranged targeted would it really be worse?
targeted is super reliable but it's usually single-target so there's different tradeoffs you can give a champion. both have their place and are interesting when done right.
sona specially is a good example of actually what you're saying, because her q is imo an actually fairly interesting spell. it's not a skillshot and it's not targeted, and it's all about sona managing staying on the edge of the range and try to hit as many people as possible. the same with her passive, it's rewarding sona for putting herself in danger rather than staying in the back healing and spamming auras. it makes her fairly unique and easy to play (which is important since she's meant to be an easy champion to pick up) and also compliments well her squishiness since she has so much damage when she actually manages to sneak it in.
so i disagree entirely with your point about skillshots, specially since midlane is all about cc followed by burst so it's not like a kill comes from many consecutive hard to land skillshots. you just land one q+e as syndra and if you have ignite up it's a kill. with lux it's the same. and for poke trading, it's not much different than targeted champions, the expertise of targeted champions comes from managing range and cooldowns (unless you're ryze).
yeah, i like the concept of the rework, but i feel like it's been a failure on all fronts
she just doesn't feel more compelling. most adcs, even if they're my friends and i tell them not to, tend to ignore my auras so you have to be running after them to maybe get a bit of benefit off that isn't that noticeable either, since her poke is weaker than zyra's or velkoz', her heals are much worse than nami's and soraka's, her shield is nothing compared to janna's and she still doesn't have any much cc pre-6. even her ms buffs are hardly that noticeable. and everything she does is unreliable because it still depends on your adc being quick to take advantage of it (rather than just click to shield like janna)
and nerfs like this just punish trying to make things happen and reward you for hanging back healing and hoping your auras do all the work
i think it's just a general problem with her concept, auras as a whole are super op in the best case scenarios, so to balance them they have to be very underwhelming in every other case
Wolf Akela
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Yeah let's make Sona more engaging to play... by discouraging the offensive use of her passive.
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Its sad when the enemy team is actively nicer than your actual team mates. I was the only one that held my lane but everyone else just sucked and blamed me for their shitty mistakes.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1666221083/215051396?tab=overview
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1666221083/215051396?tab=overview
How about instead of going at length discussing how Sona's identity is getting muddied, or how the rework failed, or how she's still brainless, or this and that we take a step back at punch some numbers. At level 6, this is a loss of a whopping, unfathomable, inconveivable...6 magic damage. 10 at 11. 19 at 18 - at which point you're better off using power chord Ws as opposed to Qs if you're goal is to maximize the damage differential in teamfights so who gives a fuck.
This isn't even a love tap.
This isn't even a love tap.
>_>except panda, and he's just zyra so what's he gonna dohe wasnt even zyra in that game D:
'just zyra'?
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