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Legend of Grimrock |OT| harvinaisen kova kakku
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Hunter-Zero
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Heh, i have my female wizard armed with a staff and a spear, i feel so dirty
Yep, was not expecting it to be this tense.
I just popped into this thread and this line has got me very interested in the game along with a trailer I saw. My backlog is huge though and I got a list of games that want priority over this so this is sadly in steam sale tier for now. Maybe that will change later.
DangerousDave
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Another complain about the game... it lacks spells. A LOT of supportive spells. There is nothing to improve defense (protection or evation), or to improve attack (accuracy or damage). Nothing even to alter status on enemies (sleep, paralize) or to heal yourself (inmediate heal or at least a regen to heal outside battle).
The mage spells is basically elemental damage and elemental protection. And that make that, often, after a battle, you need to sleep constantly (because potions are limited) to heal your party. And make all the wizards basically the same, only choosing what is the kind of element that you want to use. You cannot have a team of 2 mages, a offensive and defensive one. You have 2 wizards that cast the same kind of spells, but changing the element.
The mage spells is basically elemental damage and elemental protection. And that make that, often, after a battle, you need to sleep constantly (because potions are limited) to heal your party. And make all the wizards basically the same, only choosing what is the kind of element that you want to use. You cannot have a team of 2 mages, a offensive and defensive one. You have 2 wizards that cast the same kind of spells, but changing the element.
Really on the fence about this game. I have always wanted to try a FP dungeon crawler similar to this with tile style movement. The only dungeon crawler I ever tried was Wizardry 8 which I didn't like because I never found the intro dungeon interesting.
Can anyone to into detail about the world and the monster variety? It's a completely different kind of game (themes are similar at least) but alot of what helped me get into Dark Souls was the interesting world (mainly the castle levels), the sense of actual danger around every corner (which makes exploration actually interesting), the enemies, and the bits of lore you learn about through the world.
Can anyone to into detail about the world and the monster variety? It's a completely different kind of game (themes are similar at least) but alot of what helped me get into Dark Souls was the interesting world (mainly the castle levels), the sense of actual danger around every corner (which makes exploration actually interesting), the enemies, and the bits of lore you learn about through the world.
It's one huge castle level with some variery in tilesets. There aren't a huge number of enemies (maybe a dozen or so?) or much lore beyond the intro (that i've seen so far) but there certainly is danger lurking around every corner, and the atmosphere is amazing.
DangerousDave
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No random at all
I don't think the game really needs these. It would make mages too powerfull.
Minsc
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I agree, but I'm more than willing to overlook a lot of things given the size of the dev team, lower budget, and high quality output they aimed for with the time and tools they had. Maybe a few spells like you suggest would be minimal to add in and help with the variety roles, but they had their hands full, and I imagine could only do so much without risking going too far or delaying it further. I'd have preferred to see 9-10 classes (clerics / healing, druids / summoning, etc), a handful more races, some outdoors, a shop or two, more tilesets, maybe some more types of enemies, and so on. I do think they were smart to focus most of their energy on the level design and creating a visually striking product, to separate themselves from similar or lower budget attempts, and it seems to have worked, since the reviews are favorable and it got them on Steam. If they say it's sold very well, port it to tablets/Mac (and that also sells well), and then make a sequel, I'd be a lot harsher in my expectations on the sequel.
I've seen people argue that having shortcuts to casting the spells would also make mages too powerful, in vein of the above post (as adding more spells would). Instant cast mass damage for using in close combat would need the game to be balanced differently most likely.
DangerousDave
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Still, I wonder why the reviews are not able to see those obvious lack of effort in the "game rules" part. I know that the level design of the game is amazing, but I think it's more because of the lack of similar games in the last 20 years than because of the game itself. People talk about "portal2 like puzzles" and, even if the puzzles are great, are in the line of the puzzles that we saw in Eye of Beholder, BloodWych, Dungeon Master 1 & 2 or Dark Heart of Uukrul, not a full redefinition like we saw on Portal.
Yes, this is a start. But if the game don't improve a lot, I'll be seriously dissapointed.
I don't want a GrimRock 2. I want the game to expand. There is info (like the dungeon selector) that this is the first dungeon of the game, that it will be more a "engine" than a fixed game. I hope the next dungeons of the game will include also more races-classes-spells.
Not really. The spells use energy (and powerful spells consume A LOT of energy), and they have cooldown, like the regular attacks.
Sentenza
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Which is how it should be.
Random loot is a plague ruining too many RPG and dungeon crawlers.
UncleSporky
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Invisibility and Darkness. You don't need to literally boost stats to have a similar effect on the damage the party takes.
Elemental arrows are a buff for other party members, though it may be nontraditional. See above.
Frostbolt.
Actually the
chance of freeze
ice
Fire
the need for fire resistance.
Finaika
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I have a similar setup as yours, and the game runs at constant 60fps with all settings at max (vsync on).
Minsc
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More official dungeons would be great, I figured that would be mostly for user created dungeons. Maybe they'll release official dungeons as paid DLC, I just feel they'd be more successful with a full sequel. I agree with your points on the mana system, I hadn't given much thought to the high spell cost. I guess I enjoy the rune system, and to lose it would be a less interesting to me. A lot of similar games just use the one-click method to cast spells, so obviously there's nothing that big from keeping them from doing it in the game
There is also a hardware test from a few months ago, the final game might be slightly more optimized, but it should give you peace of mind if you're still unsure.
I actually enjoyed the lack of a Healing spell. Kind of made it so I really regretted any damage taken during fights. I've been trying not to rest too often (four times so far, three technically since one was for a puzzle, and I'm up to Floor 6) and no Crystals used.
That said, Mages could have used more spells, if only so I'm clicking different runes. I am enjoying the rune selecting for spells a lot more than I figured I would initially, but it also helps that I queue up a spell pre-combat a lot I guess.
Anyone else trying their best to keep everyone at the same amount of EXP? I really think I need to just let it go as it's making some fights a lot more hectic than they really need to be (or, basically, "No, I can't kill it yet, Mace Warrior never hit it oh god stop missing").
That said, Mages could have used more spells, if only so I'm clicking different runes. I am enjoying the rune selecting for spells a lot more than I figured I would initially, but it also helps that I queue up a spell pre-combat a lot I guess.
Anyone else trying their best to keep everyone at the same amount of EXP? I really think I need to just let it go as it's making some fights a lot more hectic than they really need to be (or, basically, "No, I can't kill it yet, Mace Warrior never hit it oh god stop missing").
UncleSporky
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Earth is super underpowered and resisted by many enemies. Worst element. But you do get all of its spells faster than any other element, both in terms of unlocking by points and in terms of scrolls in-game. I wonder if late game it might still be a decent choice by virtue of being cheap to cast?
I got a bit discouraged by the game today. I've run out of food. I've realised I've been eating too soon (when the bar was only halfway) and now I feel like I'm in a rush to move farther into the dungeon. I like taking my time and while I was ok with this food system before now I realise how much of a nuisance it is.
Thinking about restarting because I know I can do a lot better than I have so far.
Thinking about restarting because I know I can do a lot better than I have so far.
No reason to eat until à party member gets the "starving" icon on their portrait.
DangerousDave
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Still, those are side effects in most cases, and there are splitted in several "spell schools", making the task of choosing a offensive mage or a defensive-support one something impossible.
The game lacks the high degree of customization that had the old SSI games based in AD&D. Obviously, I don't want to copy the system, but to find an alternative system where you can create a high diversity of roles.
I feel bad for my group of prisoners. They only get to eat once the game tells me they need food badly. And even then, it's probably a piece of snail.
DangerousDave
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Well, the thing is that this game is supposed to have a high user-based content. Is the first modern-like western classic dungeon crawler engine in years, so the possibilities of explore the genre by the userbase are great.
And, in that kind of games, creating sequels too soon splits the userbase, making more difficult to have a high userbase. This is something as asking a Minecraft 2.
The developers where not aiming for that, clearly, the number of options are limited, but fair for what they were aiming for. Maybe it's not your type of game, I'm sure there are others DC games out there that offers something more akin to AD&D customization.
UncleSporky
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I thought that was the point, you have to decide. You don't get everything with one character class. In the old days you generally picked both a cleric and mage to cover your bases, and in this game you can take a mage with Air/Spellcraft and one with Ice/Fire. Or if you don't think you'll need their unique abilities you can do without.
Of course in the case of Grimrock, you aren't meant to know much about the classes and magic ahead of time.
It does lack the crazy levels of content in older games, but it's got the most important bases covered and is carefully designed around what it does have.
The exit isn't hidden, you just missed something.
UncleSporky
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Spoilers are coming out of the woodwork, giving advice about endgame stuff. I probably shouldn't be spoiling myself but it's not really about the content, mostly about what classes and skills to use.
On the subject of skill points - this is technically a spoiler, but something that people should probably know, lest they be pissed later on:
On the subject of elements in the endgame (a real spoiler, but again, some people may not want to be surprised):
On the subject of skill points - this is technically a spoiler, but something that people should probably know, lest they be pissed later on:
You will probably finish the game having earned about 50 skill points via levels. This means if you want to max something, definitely stick to it.
On the subject of elements in the endgame (a real spoiler, but again, some people may not want to be surprised):
The most difficult creature in the game is immune to or resists fire and ice, but air magic is quite effective. You will also want to be able resist shock damage.
Nihilistic Monk
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Bought this today for my work buddy who's had some pretty shitty treatment from work on his birthday. Going to dip in myself tonight. I'm terrible at these types of game however, so my plan is to go with the pre-rolled party and play on easy first.
Very excited about everyone hyping the atmosphere. In the videos it looks incredible.
Very excited about everyone hyping the atmosphere. In the videos it looks incredible.
Minsc
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Hunter-Zero
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Good news indeed, game is amazing.
But...FUCK SPIDERS, i mean, for real.
But...FUCK SPIDERS, i mean, for real.
Clever Pun
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Great to hear it's doing well. I can't wait for some (hopefully free!) expansions to the game, both in terms of new dungeons, as well as potentially new classes, portraits, etc. I'm already excited about playing through the game again with a better party, so any additional stuff they can toss in or improve will be great!
great news!
the only thing i'd really want right now are some sliders for music and effects volume...
Tell me about it... dammit man, when they appear behind you. FUCK, I always get scared. It doesn't help that I don't like spiders in real life...
Minsc
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