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Legend of Grimrock |OT| harvinaisen kova kakku
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Ahh wait, so base stats cannot be upgraded directly save for skills and gear then?
Absoludacrous
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Glad it's doing well, game definitely deserves it.
Nice ending.
I think the difference between this game being really easy and really hard is how you approach it. You can't play it like it is turn-based, don't just sit on a square and fight it out. Just about any encounter in the game if you can move it to a set of 4 open tiles you can win without even getting hit just by moving in circles. My Wahook Whirling experience served me well.
Part of the reason I really dislike the combat so far. Just hate the real-time aspect which turns all my vast decision making into circle strafing arena duels.
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Deleted member 17706
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I'm loving the game, but I'm starting to catch on how to easily exploit the combat system either by circle strafing or exploiting opening/closing doors.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Definitely, it made me restart just to ditch my mage. A minimum of 3 clicks to cast a spell just doesn't work very well when you're circle-strafing something that can 1-hit anybody in your party if you are a bit slow to strafe/rotate.
Ditched the mage, ditched bows/crossbows, one back row person carries a torch+dagger, the other carries throwing weapon+dagger, axe mino and sword mino in front. Just use the throwing stuff to pull/trigger pressure plates since both of them get Reach with any melee weapon.
I can understand the dislike for the real-time combat but I really enjoy it. First of all, this is how a bunch of the old dungeon crawlers were. And they were tough! It's not always as easy as simply circle-strafing. Once you get more than one monster coming at you have to keep track of where all of them are so you don't get boxed in. You've got to be aware of your cooldown's for each character, lining up the bad guys to hit more than one with your spells... and exploting is fun in its own right. Especially for people that like games like Demon's Souls/Dark Souls.
Anyway, the real-time combat is a different kind of challenge but for me it's entertaining in its own right.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Needs a spell shortcut.
I'd just be happy for a "Cast previous spell" button.
How often are people casting spells in-combat if it's that big of a deal? I lead with one and then don't really worry much about it until the next fight (and I can just setup the spell to cast before engaging anyway). Even then, long enough cooldowns on my melee (+back-row Dagger) that it doesn't take much extra setup for a quick spell cast.
Hell, most things die too fast to really need multiple spells. The only pain in the ass enemies that I wanted chain casting on were some slimes and that was mostly due to the area layout. Maybe some of these later floors will change that.
Hell, most things die too fast to really need multiple spells. The only pain in the ass enemies that I wanted chain casting on were some slimes and that was mostly due to the area layout. Maybe some of these later floors will change that.
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Deleted member 10571
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Eurogaf: if you buy it on http://www.grimrock.net/store/ you'll pay 13,50$ (10,50 EUR) instead of 14 Steam-Euros. And you get a standalone download plus the Steam key.
That's not really "exploiting", game rewards you for being active.
So glad to hear that devs have made their money back already!
Then that's their fault for having two Mages! :x
Good point though. WWRM for my setup and it's kind of been laughably easy to juggle the cooldowns (Sword, Mace, Throwing | Dagger, Spell). Hardest part of the combat has been keeping my EXP levels all the same.
oh boy you're right, I don't mind the spell system but it'd be overkill with 2 mages. I like the "cast previous spell" idea Ferrio mentioned.
Philthy
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They would probably have to rebalance the cast delays if they did that. Spells get extremely powerful, and being able to spam them at will with no error in fumbling would really make the game really easy. The way it is right now, the better you are with typing that stuff in, the stronger your party is. You have a direct correlation with your abilities to the character. It's sort like casters in WoW with everything on timers, and trying to get your casts perfectly synced.
That most likely depends on how many people activated the steam key instead of going for the drm free version and ignoring Steam. So who knows. =D
UncleSporky
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I'm glad I have two mages since I'll be able to try out every spell on my first run through the game, I'll have every type of resistance, and even if combat casting is tough, I can use one mage for casting at a time and switch to the other when the first runs out of energy.
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Deleted member 17706
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I'm tempted to make a party of 4 Rogues tonight to see how they fare. The only reason I ever stop in combat as-is is so I can choose runes carefully for my two Magi.
Honestly, I had this in mind has a later challenge run but it really seems like this may be a pretty easy way through the game.
UncleSporky
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A better party is 3 rogues and an air mage.
Air magic for invisibility which is great for backstabbings, and having at least one mage to enchant arrows for your back row archer rogue.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So yeah, we can't add stats up directly I take it?
I may change my fire/frost mage to air. I've put about 15 points into ice but only the base 2 into fire. It's not too late for me!
No, only buying from the developer's site directly.
I'm loving this game more than I can describe. So many years of attributing a constant desire for some types of 'good old games' to nostalgia was simply wrong of me. This game incredibly, pure, fun.
I hope the best for the developers, and hope they stick to, and expand, this type of game and not get lured into the typical modern cRPG formulas.
Level 5 at this point and getting my ass handed to me by the
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I'm loving the spell casting. It seems like a simple way of saying 'hey, casting spells is slower and complicated'. Keep your shortcut keys out away from my old school hardcore-ness.
To be honest it does get kind of repetitive, but the puzzles, straightforward difficulty of 'you screwed up, you die', and the oppressive mood make up for most of it.
I'd pay full price for a next installment including some larger, perhaps outdoors, areas, huge enemy variety, and some kind of subterranean societies and shops etc. Definitely simple, ala Stonekeep or Ultima Underworld, under no circumstances endless terrains with hundreds of NPCs giving out fetch quests.
Awesome game.
I hope the best for the developers, and hope they stick to, and expand, this type of game and not get lured into the typical modern cRPG formulas.
Level 5 at this point and getting my ass handed to me by the
blue flying serpents that spit lightning
I'm loving the spell casting. It seems like a simple way of saying 'hey, casting spells is slower and complicated'. Keep your shortcut keys out away from my old school hardcore-ness.
To be honest it does get kind of repetitive, but the puzzles, straightforward difficulty of 'you screwed up, you die', and the oppressive mood make up for most of it.
I'd pay full price for a next installment including some larger, perhaps outdoors, areas, huge enemy variety, and some kind of subterranean societies and shops etc. Definitely simple, ala Stonekeep or Ultima Underworld, under no circumstances endless terrains with hundreds of NPCs giving out fetch quests.
Awesome game.
No.
Nabs
Member
Buy directly from them.
Oh. Didn't know that was an option.
Nabs
Member
Your map is pretty good for old school run, but you're off on second floor just slightly by a couple of rows of cells to be shifted to the right by one cell.
Nihilistic Monk
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OK, I'm about to boot up for the first time. Was contemplating easy with the pre-built party. Now I'm thinking Normal and a custom party because I'm an idiot.
What should I make for a party first time round? Some dudes say an insect guy for mage? Tips?
What should I make for a party first time round? Some dudes say an insect guy for mage? Tips?
IblisGinjo
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Some games have gotten so far from the basics that when a game return to it's simple roots, it's great. I say kudos and keep it simple. expand but do not forget the basics.
Equipment never breaks and there are no stores or anything to offload them so no, hoarding equipment is a waste.
Food however you want to keep every bit you can.
No. You should, however, hang on to
one rock, one skull, one arrow and a bone necklace
Chuck them.
I like to hold on to a couple superfluous items in case I want to keep a floor button pressed.
IblisGinjo
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Okay I give up Level 5: Deserted Tunnels, I think I know what to do but it seems I'm a second too late, been on this for two days.
, right? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Once I make it to Level 6 I'm going to stop and pick it up later, don't want to burn out on this game.
Hit the lever, back up, sidestep, turn around, throw the rock/knife down the hall, sidestep to door and back up
Once I make it to Level 6 I'm going to stop and pick it up later, don't want to burn out on this game.
That ... sounds right? Maybe? I'll check in-game real quick. I assume you're talking about the area at the start of there?
Edit: Yeah, that's basically how I did it:
Pull lever, step back, strafe left, turn around, throw rock, turn around, strafe right x3 and then go forward. Should have about ~1s of leeway time.
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