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Sai-kun

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Can you look into staying at a hostel or anything? They cost money but honestly, leaving is exactly what you need to do, and for your own sake, you just need to get the fuck out. I can't relate personally but I know someone in an extremely similar situation and getting out was a great step for them.
 

Nohar

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You remind me of a friend of mine... There are not many solutions. The healthiest approach would be for you to move out and to start living on your own. This kind of toxic environement can only drag you down.

By the way, I would edit out the creepy part if I were you. I understand how you feel, but you really should avoid to write such things on the internet, in your own best interest (call me extra-wary). And, of course, violence is never the best solution.
 

daripad

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do you have any friends you can stay with? relatives? are there any counselors at your school that you can talk to?

No, my friends are on similar or worse problems and as I have said before I don't like my extended family from my father's side and my family on my mother's side live next to me so it's not a good idea. I'll talk to my school counselor but knowing here she will tell me that I should just not give a fuck about it.

Can you look into staying at a hostel or anything? They cost money but honestly, leaving is exactly what you need to do, and for your own sake, you just need to get the fuck out. I can't relate personally but I know someone in an extremely similar situation and getting out was a great step for them.

Not an option for me, unfortunately.

You remind me of a friend of mine... There are not many solutions. The healthiest approach would be for you to move out and to start living on your own. This kind of toxic environement can only drag you down.

By the way, I would edit out the creepy part if I were you. I understand how you feel, but you really should avoid to write such things on the internet, in your own best interest (call me extra-wary). And, of course, violence is never the best solution.

Moving out would mean dropping school, which is my main concern. And I'll edit, thanks.
 
Had my 3DS downloading Smash in the background all night at my BFs apartment, and it only made it to 45%. Now my commute home is going to be 100% Smash-less.

Suppose I can get some more coins in the demo at least...

I want to play with you guys once it's done though!
 
I'm now checking my 3DS friend List (and my PSN friend list) and I only counted like two straight people total.

Are my consoles a lobby or WHAT
 

Kevyt

Member
Anyone planning on getting AC Unity on PC? Don't have steam friends that are interested in it :( the co-op seems promising.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
That Raven thread got me thinking...

Is there such a thing as a Trans-racial person? Like a trans-sexual, but with race?

The dictionary (groan) labels transsexuals as such:

a person who strongly identifies with the opposite sex and may seek to live as a member of this sex especially by undergoing surgery and hormone therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing the external sex organs)

so I guess a transracial person would be:

a person who strongly identifies with a different race and may seek to live as a member of this race especially by undergoing surgery and therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing their skin color)

I was just thinking though, after seeing the hostile reaction to Raven's comments about not identifying as African American (which isn't the same thing as what I'm talking about with transracials, mind), how would people react if transracials were a thing? (weeaboos and their ilk would probably fall under this category too, and they do get a lot of ridicule)

Would transracialism be a bad thing? Should people have to identify with the race they were born as? What if they don't? What if they wanted to get surgery to make their skin color to match up with their personal identity? How is racial identity different from gender identity? What if you don't identify with/as any particular race?

Would it upset you if you met someone who identified as a transracial? What would you think of them? Should such a thing be tolerated?

this may or may not be the plot to my NaNoWriMo book
 
That's awesome, museum dates are great. Have a good time!

It went amazingly well, we clicked instantly. We walked and chatted for hours, we have a lot (and I mean like, almost everything) in common. I'm supposed to see him again on thursday. :D

We even kinda look alike. Like Mario/Luigi alike. It's kinda weird actually.


That Raven thread got me thinking...

Is there such a thing as a Trans-racial person? Like a trans-sexual, but with race?

I was just thinking though, after seeing the hostile reaction to Raven's comments about not identifying as African American (which isn't the same thing as what I'm talking about with transracials, mind), how would people react if transracials were a thing? (weeaboos and their ilk would probably fall under this category too, and they do get a lot of ridicule)

Would transracialism be a bad thing? Should people have to identify with the race they were born as? What if they don't? What if they wanted to get surgery to make their skin color to match up with their personal identity? How is racial identity different from gender identity? What if you don't identify with/as any particular race?

Would it upset you if you met someone who identified as a transracial? What would you think of them? Should such a thing be tolerated?

this may or may not be the plot to my NaNoWriMo book

Let's say the rumours were true (which I doubt), this could apply to Michael Jackson, no?
 
Wasn't the concept of race created in like the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to bolster the culture of imperialism and slavery? I remember hearing that race wasn't really a concept that existed prior to that, it would seem instead (and maybe conforming with a more logical sensibility) that people of whatever foreign ethnicity would just be seen as different people from a different land. Race, then, as a matter of personal identity would be relatively 'recent', in lieu of what before would have just been 'culture' or whatever.

I don't really have any kind of point by bringing that up, though, like suggesting that racial identity is more superficial than gender identity somehow, I don't feel equipped to comment on either. When I look at 'gay culture' tracing it back to the root seems to be just an ethos of shared experiences and sentiments, which probably serves as the main compelling force behind all culture or identity or whatever.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Let's say the rumours were true (which I doubt), this could apply to Michael Jackson, no?

Potentially? Lil Kim might also fit the description.

Wasn't the concept of race created in like the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to bolster the culture of imperialism and slavery? I remember hearing that race wasn't really a concept that existed prior to that, it would seem instead (and maybe conforming with a more logical sensibility) that people of whatever foreign ethnicity would just be seen as different people from a different land. Race, then, as a matter of personal identity would be relatively 'recent', in lieu of what before would have just been 'culture' or whatever.

I don't know. I've always heard people say that race was a recent concept, but I haven't been able to find any books on it. I'd like to read about it for sure.

I don't really have any kind of point by bringing that up, though, like suggesting that racial identity is more superficial than gender identity somehow, I don't feel equipped to comment on either. When I look at 'gay culture' tracing it back to the root seems to be just an ethos of shared experiences and sentiments, which probably serves as the main compelling force behind all culture or identity or whatever.

mmm, mmm.
 

RM8

Member
I live in a rather racially homogeneous country, so "racial identity" has always been a completely foreign concept to me :/ Because of that, I'm going to say being "transracial" sounds pretty far-fetched to me.
 

RM8

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We're on the same page, then :p
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It only took 3 years, but now we have themes on 3DS!

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Man, by 2017 we'll have a proper messaging system, I just know it.
 
I don't think it's comparable to transsexuality, but more to gays wanting to be straight... to fit in, not having to deal with discrimination/bullying/etc.... and in this case, looking like the majority so you have the same career opportunities as everyone else. It isn't easy being different.

There are other reasons, like Euro-centric beauty standards and like the guy above, idolising a culture/race to the extreme.
 
We're on the same page, then :p
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It only took 3 years, but now we have themes on 3DS!

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wvbDZ7r.jpg


Man, by 2017 we'll have a proper messaging system, I just know it.
Are you too good for folders?

All your games just intermingling with each other, completely free and unencumbered. HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
 

RM8

Member
Are you too good for folders?

All your games just intermingling with each other, completely free and unencumbered. HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
I have a folder for demos, another one for most Ambassador stuff, and a third one for ugly "apps" I never use and can't be deleted. Everything else is just there for me to see it :p
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
I don't know. I've always heard people say that race was a recent concept, but I haven't been able to find any books on it. I'd like to read about it for sure.
Race as a biological component has been dropped from mainstream biological sciences. In the social sciences, especially sociology, most researches argue that race is indeed a social construction that has historically made it easy to classify and separate different groups of people on a solely appearance-based fashion. (If that sounds obvious, it is.)

Biological fallacies were employed to reaffirm the separation of people by race. If we use sub-Saharan Africans as the example, we notice that Europeans first thought them to be non-human animals. After, they were classified as being of the African race. And many Europeans/Americans continued to attributed low IQs to that creed.

With that history in mine we fast-forward to today, where we understand that race is not a real biological asset, as far as behavior and mental aptitude is concerned. It's just simply that people have different phenotypical attributes (the way they look) but those attributes, again, do not affect the person's abilities. We now attribute that to ethnicity.

Yet, sociology and (some of) psychology understand that the damage has been done, even if it is a social construction, people still identify races and still attribute some negative and positive assessments based on a person's ethnic appearance. We still live in a world where race was used to denigrate and to propel certain groups.


As far as people wanting to change their race . . . that does happen, as whiteness has a lot of positive attributes. People get hung up on that, unfortunately. I imagine, that those who try to change their race suffer from some kind of psychological trauma, because they view their core being as being "wrong" and completely undesirable.


Concerning books and texts, you may want to read something that talks about "race as a social construction." I don't have any particular examples, unfortunately.

I live in a rather racially homogeneous country, so "racial identity" has always been a completely foreign concept to me :/ Because of that, I'm going to say being "transracial" sounds pretty far-fetched to me.
That sounds odd to me because a Mexican-ethnic identity is usually quite strong in the minds of Mexicans. There are people who do not want anything to do with indigenous people, Indios, and there's a lot of inner-racism going on, especially when I talk to relatives. They often mention that so-and-so is prieto/a and therefore ugly. There's also a huge interest in being European or white, as most novelas would have you think.
 

RM8

Member
That sounds odd to me because a Mexican-ethnic identity is usually quite strong in the minds of Mexicans. There are people who do not want anything to do with indigenous people, Indios, and there's a lot of inner-racism going on, especially when I talk to relatives. They often mention that so-and-so is prieto/a and therefore ugly. There's also a huge interest in being European or white, as most novelas would have you think.
That's definitely a thing that happens, people who look more native Mexican than European are far more likely to experience racism :/ But in the end even the racists who look down on "indios" consider themselves Mexican, so identity-wise I don't think it's anything like America's "melting pot" situation.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I don't think it's comparable to transsexuality, but more to gays wanting to be straight... to fit in, not having to deal with discrimination/bullying/etc.... and in this case, looking like the majority so you have the same career opportunities as everyone else. It isn't easy being different.

Hm, maybe. But in all of the instances I was thinking of, it was the opposite of that.

Race as a biological component has been dropped from mainstream biological sciences. In the social sciences, especially sociology, most researches argue that race is indeed a social construction that has historically made it easy to classify and separate different groups of people on a solely appearance-based fashion. (If that sounds obvious, it is.)

Biological fallacies were employed to reaffirm the separation of people by race. If we use sub-Saharan Africans as the example, we notice that Europeans first thought them to be non-human animals. After, they were classified as being of the African race. And many Europeans/Americans continued to attributed low IQs to that creed.

With that history in mine we fast-forward to today, where we understand that race is not a real biological asset, as far as behavior and mental aptitude is concerned. It's just simply that people have different phenotypical attributes (the way they look) but those attributes, again, do not affect the person's abilities. We now attribute that to ethnicity.

Yet, sociology and (some of) psychology understand that the damage has been done, even if it is a social construction, people still identify races and still attribute some negative and positive assessments based on a person's ethnic appearance. We still live in a world where race was used to denigrate and to propel certain groups.

As far as people wanting to change their race . . . that does happen, as whiteness has a lot of positive attributes. People get hung up on that, unfortunately. I imagine, that those who try to change their race suffer from some kind of psychological trauma, because they view their core being as being "wrong" and completely undesirable.

Ah, so it seems as though I was conflating race with ethnicity. Shows how much I know! u__u

Concerning books and texts, you may want to read something that talks about "race as a social construction." I don't have any particular examples, unfortunately.

I'll look into it. Thanks!
 
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