Linus tech tips is disappointed that the steam machine won't be priced like a console.
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Topher
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I think I saw some mold in the HDMI port
delirium trigger
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I do think there's a market for a kind of universal prebuilt that delivers similar performance to its console counterparts, even if it costs a bit more.
This is 5 years too late.
If a console player asked me about jumping to pc, I'd never recommend this thing at an 800 dollar price or whatever. Get a prebuilt with a 5060 or 9060 XT.
This is 5 years too late.
If a console player asked me about jumping to pc, I'd never recommend this thing at an 800 dollar price or whatever. Get a prebuilt with a 5060 or 9060 XT.
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Kacho
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That's what I've been saying! It would sell like hotcakes.
Mister Wolf
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And with Full Screen Experience coming to Windows Desktop what if offers has become even less relevant.
BlueManifest
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And they would lose a lot of money on each one sold, I think they want this to be low volume on purpose because that's all they are able to produce as their size company
They can't order millions of parts like Microsoft or Sony Nintendo
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Kacho
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lifa-cobex
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It would make far more sense for it to be.
I think Valve takes a big part of the games sold revenue on Steam.
Even at a loss from pricing it lower than cost to manufacture or on par. You make the revenue back from the store purchases.
As most Steam users know. That library soon fills.
BlueManifest
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Steam is already the most used gaming platform, they aren't in a hurry to take a big loss on hardware
They have no reason to sell it for a loss but just as a option in the already many pc options
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Kacho
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Whatever they do they need to sell it for as cheap as possible or they risk sitting on a mountain of stock. $300 might be unrealistic but those specs aren't worth much more than that.
BlueManifest
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They aren't making a mountain of stock so that's not a problem
The frame for example is only forecast to manufacture 500k
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Kacho
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Well if they aren't careful it'll be Steam Link all over again and I look forward to buying one for a couple bucks in a clearance sale.
BlueManifest
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Steam link became useless after they released the app it was replaced
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Kacho
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They will still have clear stock they can't sell.
TrebleShot
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No one has answered the question does it do excellent ray tracing and wipe the ass of the xbox and PS5 combined?
Danjin44
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I could be wrong but from I heard its weaker than base PS5.......so chance are no.
Mister Wolf
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Its RDNA 3 with a better CPU so it should have better raytracing performance.
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ResilientBanana
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He hit them rage bait bullet points rather well. Enjoy the clicks
BlueManifest
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It's not weaker than ps5, someone built a pc and got it as close to the steam machine as they could and it was a little stronger than ps5
lastmessiah
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Plus you can tweak settings in pc games to get the performance profile you desire. But Gaf will go on making dumb assertions regardless. A lot of you guys have no idea what you're talking about, it's hilarious.
Clear
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Compare it to the prices of NUC-style mini PC's. Then remember that its guts isn't a mass-produced APU, its a frankensteined hybrid that requires 8gb of GDDR6 so your already way above the budget of a mid-tier part of that class. Also due to this is draws more power and requires more cooling.
One would also assume that if its being sold as a quasi-console, it will include a controller which will further bump up the price.
This is absolutely not a $300 box.
LordOfChaos
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It's a weird place to be with subsidizing what is in the end still an open PC platform, if you subsidize open PC hardware where you can install another OS and the value becomes too good, there would probably be hundreds of thousands of sales to people that never intend to buy a game on steam on there, at least. It's not really a console model where it's all locked down and you can reliably make the money back on taking a fraction of game sales later.
Kacho
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Probably not but that's what I feel it's worth. Just my opinion.
Btw this video speaks to me
Topher
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BlueManifest
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300$ is cheaper than a ps5 and it's PC that makes no sense, pc's in general cost more than consoles
It offers more than a ps5 so at a minimum it should be 50-100$ more
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Clear
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The issue is that there's no reason for anyone to subsidize any component. I doubt AMD are going to offer the sort of volume deals with Valve that they would to Sony or Microsoft both of whom can safely guarantee 20 million units sold.
Which means component pricing will be drawn from the PC side of the business with pricing appropriate so as not to destabilize the rest of their line-up and inventory.
The Steam machine being successful really only benefits Valve, and they aren't a major player in hardware.
Hawk The Slayer
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I think 500 is the fair price realistically and would still sell like hotcake but they'll try to bank on people viewing it as a cool little premium like steam box and up the price due to it. It's probably still going to sell a good amount even if it's priced at 600 for the base and 700 for the 2TB version even with worse specs than the pro due to the amount of games on it and able to use it like a PC so that would give it quite a bit more value than console due to a lot more games and something people would always have it on when they're home like internet browsing etc etc. If my PC fails right now, I'll probably get one and connect my mouse and keyboard to it and use it as a backup PC for a few years until Elder Scrolls VI comes. But...I would just spend double that and get a more future proof computer instead of a Steambox not sure yet.
But if the base version is already 700 while the 2TB version is 800 then that's the point where I see the sales not being good.
Basically around 500 for the base and 600 for the 2TB version would be a super big bargain with a massive amount of sales even a lot of people with a much better PC would just spare the extra 500 to get one for reasons like it being a cool little steam cube thing or something they can carry and hook it to their friends tv, grandpa's house during a visit etc etc so still better than a laptop for those situation.
600 for the base and 700 for the 2TB would still get decent sales I think but definitely lower than 500 too 600.
700 for the base version and 800 for the 2TB version is where things starts to really go downhill for them.
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Grildon Tundy
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I think our GAF voters are probably close on guessing the price. We've got a standard distribution centering around $500-600:
Hawk The Slayer
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500 for the Base and 600 for the 2TB version is probably the most fair balance for both Steam and the consumers. Selling for less than that would hurt one side and selling for more would hurt the other.I think our GAF voters are probably close on guessing the price. We've got a standard distribution centering around $500-600:
Although I still think it's possible a 600 dollar and 700 dollar for the 2TB version could still end up selling decently.
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Kacho
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That is 100% what I would do regardless of price if my GPU unexpectedly dies
Looks like a fleece snuggie hoodie of some sort.
Topher
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YouTubers are weird
Or just like comfort. Join the snuggie revolution.
Topher
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You don't know that I haven't, but I'm also not on camera.
I haven't, but damn......that does look comfortable
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Given the specs, we know is not awesome, is mediocre. Tell any pc gamer that you are building a PC with 8gb video card, and they will beg you to upgrade, but when valve do it with a nice presenting package, the drones are activated and they are ready to waste their money.As long as he keeps doing awesome stuff for gamers/gaming, he can buy as many yachts as he wants imho. Give and take!
It's like the switch proven point: you can mediocre stuff as much as you want, as long the presentation is nice enough to fool superficial people that only judge things by feelings instead of facts.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
It's weird, people act as if the main draw of PCs over consoles is power. Not at all... I've actually never owned a PC that wasn't 3-5 years behind in tech, but still prefer them over consoles for 90% of my gaming time.
PCs are about freedom. Amazing mods in every direction so that you get exactly what you want instead of being force fed locked games without customization, vast libraries of games of all kinds and all levels of cost, classics you can pull down and emulate going back many decades. Instead of being walled into one little corporate garden.
PCs are about freedom. Amazing mods in every direction so that you get exactly what you want instead of being force fed locked games without customization, vast libraries of games of all kinds and all levels of cost, classics you can pull down and emulate going back many decades. Instead of being walled into one little corporate garden.
Themacabre
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The projection in this post is unbelievable, but I'll bite.
Hey, that's me, I am a PC gamer. For the use case of this device 8GB of VRAM is more than adequate, any questions about that?
You seem mad
Pretty mad
Definitely mad
Confirmed for mad.
The Steam Machine isn't for you, and that's fine, just don't get it?
I could be wrong but I don't think PS or Xbox take a lose on their consoles right now. They did when they first launched over 5 years ago.
This new steam machine is supposed to be less powerful than either one. Which would make sense for people to imagine it should cost as much if not less than either of those.
This new steam machine is supposed to be less powerful than either one. Which would make sense for people to imagine it should cost as much if not less than either of those.
Utamaru1706
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lol, I dunno why some people were very defensive, or even mocked about Linus' disappointment about the Steam Machine's price not being aimed to be similar like console, considering that this thing is made for people that wanted to upgrade their outdated PCs but with very limited budget, or they only buy pre-build PCs, not for the people who already have a decent rig or tech enthusiasts.
Like, Valve said that Steam Machine's specs is higher than the PCs from 70% of the current Steam users, which is a very clear sign that they want to sell it to those people, and not for the rest 30%, so the pricings also needs to be really competitive with the consoles, which is why people said that the $500-600 price is the sweet spot, and not $700++.
Like, Valve said that Steam Machine's specs is higher than the PCs from 70% of the current Steam users, which is a very clear sign that they want to sell it to those people, and not for the rest 30%, so the pricings also needs to be really competitive with the consoles, which is why people said that the $500-600 price is the sweet spot, and not $700++.
pudel
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Yeah, i know the specs are not that great. But if thats all what can you see, what Valve is doing...than I feel sorry for you.
vaibhavpisal
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Gabe just purchased a yatch.Yeah, i know the specs are not that great. But if thats all what can you see, what Valve is doing...than I feel sorry for you.
BlackTron
Member
If you told a "PC gamer" you were building a PC with 8GB video card that came to $400, they would say you did better than they could have. It all comes down to price.
If it's low enough, it doesn't really matter that it's not greatly future-proofed. It ends up being a toss-up with PS5 which has 16GB shared memory to SM's 16GB + 8GB.
If the price gets too high, I agree that it doesn't really make sense, especially since it can never be upgraded.
vaibhavpisal
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PS5 / SX are 4k targeting machines. They have memory bandwidth etc.
Gabe cube is 1080p machine. Its more of a upgraded Series S due to that. It will get 60 fps at 1080p where Series S could be stuck at 30.
Facism
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Well a lot of people are retarded.
its obviously marketed as targeting living room TVs, yeah good luck finding 1080p tvs in 2026
You are aware the PS5 Pro does not come with a disk drive and that it's an additional $79 purchase, correct?
The GPU can do native 1080p very well, and depending on the title 1440p as well. If it can get FSR4, it will compare very favorably to the PS5 which get 4K 40 fps upscaled from 1080p.
Just look at what the Switch 2 is doing, and it has much less power than the Steam Machine yet people are calling it a disaster and are having fun playing at 4k 60 fps.
Topher
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If we are going to say that then consoles should be using 1080p TVs as well. It isn't like they are all providing solid 4k 60 either.