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[rofif]

Earlier on in the thread we have already concluded that you're not sensitive to the ugliness of 30fps. We understand why you're "ok" with it. Most people aren't. Modern TV's don't handle 30fps like older TV's did. Back then they smeared the frames together. Today they throw in motion blur to hide the awfulness of it.

30fps is not a consumer friendly framerate.

You concluded. Not me.
Just because I don’t agree does not mean i am not sensible to it. That’s bs.
We had whole gens of 30fps and it was perfectly fine and tvs are only better now. That’s no excuse.
You shouldn’t speak for everyone because everyone played at 30fps just fine for whole generations. And no. Oled does not make it so much worse. Not with motion blur

 

[Shaki12345]

You concluded. Not me.
Just because I don’t agree does not mean i am not sensible to it. That’s bs.
We had whole gens of 30fps and it was perfectly fine and tvs are only better now. That’s no excuse.
You shouldn’t speak for everyone because everyone played at 30fps just fine for whole generations. And no. Oled does not make it so much worse. Not with motion blur

You are so not getting it. The TV's back then were much better for displaying 30fps than modern TV's due to sample and hold techniques.

That's just science mate.

 

[omegasc]

You concluded. Not me.
Just because I don’t agree does not mean i am not sensible to it. That’s bs.
We had whole gens of 30fps and it was perfectly fine and tvs are only better now. That’s no excuse.
You shouldn’t speak for everyone because everyone played at 30fps just fine for whole generations. And no. Oled does not make it so much worse. Not with motion blur

It's exactly because TVs have improved that 30 fps got "bad". I still have a PS5 hooked to the LCD TV I played 99% of the PS4 gen and when I switch FF XVI to 30 fps it feels fine. But the moment I do it on the 5 Pro on the OLED... it just bothers me. Motion blur or not. I am not saying it's impossible to still tolerate it, but it's just how the panels work. I kid you not, I thought my TV was broken when I switched Horizon to 30 the first time, and went on the internet to understand it was not, and learned why it was like that.
Btw FF XVI is a much more consistent experience on the Pro in perf mode now. On base PS5 the IQ sometimes got so funky that chars could look like cardboards on the scenario, but that is very much lessened now and framerate is consistent where it matters. I still believe it deserves a Pro patch, but I understand Square will only touch it again when it's time for a remaster.

 

[rofif]

You are so not getting it. The TV's back then were much better for displaying 30fps than modern TV's due to sample and hold techniques.

That's just science mate.

It's exactly because TVs have improved that 30 fps got "bad". I still have a PS5 hooked to the LCD TV I played 99% of the PS4 gen and when I switch FF XVI to 30 fps it feels fine. But the moment I do it on the 5 Pro on the OLED... it just bothers me. Motion blur or not. I am not saying it's impossible to still tolerate it, but it's just how the panels work. I kid you not, I thought my TV was broken when I switched Horizon to 30 the first time, and went on the internet to understand it was not, and learned why it was like that.
Btw FF XVI is a much more consistent experience on the Pro in perf mode now. On base PS5 the IQ sometimes got so funky that chars could look like cardboards on the scenario, but that is very much lessened now and framerate is consistent where it matters. I still believe it deserves a Pro patch, but I understand Square will only touch it again when it's time for a remaster.

They were just sample and hold and had more blurring. I do get it, I am not an idiot.
Oled is still better. Just makes the judder more visible because it's better.
But it's still fine. In the meanttime we all got used to 374736473fps. That's the main reason. The jump back to 30fps is always painful. always jarring. More so on oled as you say. But it's still something your brain will get used to in a day or two. You don't have to do that because nothing is 30fps annymore
If I had that oled i have today, back in xbox 360 days, I would've pissed my pantsplaying the same old 360 30fps games. I know because I replayed some on it. It's great.

 

[Shaki12345]

They were just sample and hold and had more blurring. I do get it, I am not an idiot.
Oled is still better. Just makes the judder more visible because it's better.
But it's still fine. In the meanttime we all got used to 374736473fps. That's the main reason. The jump back to 30fps is always painful. always jarring. More so on oled as you say. But it's still something your brain will get used to in a day or two. You don't have to do that because nothing is 30fps annymore
If I had that oled i have today, back in xbox 360 days, I would've pissed my pantsplaying the same old 360 30fps games. I know because I replayed some on it. It's great.

More judder isn't better.

 

[rofif]

More judder isn't better.

it is what it is. Everything else about the screen is so much better, I would've taken the 30fps judder 10x over the shitty lcd we had back then.
ESPECIALLY WITH motion blur

 

[MazingerDUDE]

ok more of the gif spamming time here, this time with monster hunter wilds

at rest

in motion


these were from 60fps mode

 

[Kerotan]

Does anyone know if age of mythology retold on Xbox uses dynamic resolution or 60fps? Hopefully the ps5 version does so the Pro can take advantage.

 

[Jcs0625]

Anyone else having problems with Call Of Duty BO6 with FPS drop for a few seconds during games? I already reinstalled the game and it didn't solve, i think its since the update.
I’m having major fps drops/ stutters that come and go throughout the game. I’m on PS5 Pro 120hz mode enabled

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I've been playing Diablo 4. FPS is definitely more stable in the infernal hordes, which were the most problematic part on the OG PS5.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Can't help myself but to add updates so added

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition and MotoGp 25

I've heard this before.

 

[Skifi28]

Forza Horizon 5 confirmed.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Forza Horizon 5 confirmed.

Added Forza, Death Stranding 2, and Pipistrello and the Cursed Yoyo

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Forza Horizon 5 confirmed.

That's actually quite a big deal...

 

[Skifi28]

That's actually quite a big deal...

Is it though? There's this "playstation will play this Xbox game better" thing going on, but PCs were already playing the game better. It just doesn't seem like such a big deal, at least not compared to the shock of actually releasing their games on PS. I personally thought it was common sense that they'd fully support the new platform they're trying to sell their games on, I didn't get those worried they wouldn't support the pro.

 

[Kerotan]

I started age of mythology and it has a performance and fidelity mode. Not sure if the pro runs the performance any better.

 

[Astray]

Forza Horizon 5 enhancements:

Is it though? There's this "playstation will play this Xbox game better" thing going on, but PCs were already playing the game better. It just doesn't seem like such a big deal, at least not compared to the shock of actually releasing their games on PS. I personally thought it was common sense that they'd fully support the new platform they're trying to sell their games on, I didn't get those worried they wouldn't support the pro.

I think this effect is amplified by it being Forza of all things.

 

[Luipadre]

Added Forza, Death Stranding 2, and Pipistrello and the Cursed Yoyo

DS2 is tagged on store now? Nice. Man i cant wait to see the game next month

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Damn Astray I was just brining your post here and you beat me

DS2 is tagged on store now? Nice. Man i cant wait to see the game next month

Yes it is

DEATH STRANDING 2: ON THE BEACH

SHOULD WE HAVE CONNECTED

store.playstation.com

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Is it though? There's this "playstation will play this Xbox game better" thing going on, but PCs were already playing the game better. It just doesn't seem like such a big deal, at least not compared to the shock of actually releasing their games on PS. I personally thought it was common sense that they'd fully support the new platform they're trying to sell their games on, I didn't get those worried they wouldn't support the pro.

Your premise that PCs are equivalent to consoles is why you don't see the bigger picture here.

There's two factors the marketing reality and the performance reality.

It looks like they're supporting PS5 Pro and that has a marketing element to it, but the advantages seem pretty limited. There should be an uncapped mode, but that hasn't been communicated at all and it appears not to be the case.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Forza Horizon 5 enhancements:



I think this effect is amplified by it being Forza of all things.

It suggests that when Halo and Gears come to PS5, that PS5 Pro will be the best place to play them on console. Anyone who doesn't see why that would be a big deal is deluding themselves.

 

[Spukc]

It suggests that when Halo and Gears come to PS5, that PS5 Pro will be the best place to play them on console. Anyone who doesn't see why that would be a big deal is deluding themselves.

best plays to play halo gears and forza will still be pc,

Also these games are old as fuck..

 

[Thief1987]

best plays to play halo gears and forza will still be pc,

Also these games are old as fuck..

Reading is hard?

best place to play them on console

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Reading is hard?

Imagine trying to be as intentful with your words as possible only for people who already know how they want to respond to respond without reading or comprehending...

As for these games being "old" they're still pillars of the Xbox brand, which actually says more about the brand than anything, but that's neither here nor there.

Also, PC gamers are not console gamers.

 

[viveks86]

Forza Horizon 5 enhancements:

Nice! Good to see them make an effort and not just do the bare minimum.

 

[RedC]

Imagine trying to be as intentful with your words as possible only for people who already know how they want to respond to respond without reading or comprehending...

As for these games being "old" they're still pillars of the Xbox brand, which actually says more about the brand than anything, but that's neither here nor there.

Also, PC gamers are not console gamers.

Console gamers >>> PC gamers

 

[mejin]

Can't wait to play Gears on Pro.

 

[Gaiff]

That's actually quite a big deal...

Why? Was anyone expecting them not to enhance it for the Pro?

They’re treating the PS5 as just another platform, not a competitor in this context.

 

[Ashamam]

They’re treating the PS5 as just another platform, not a competitor in this context.

Hmm not sure about that. Grounded could really use Pro enhancement and Sea of Thieves got a really low effort patch. I personally see MS as doing the bare minimum when it comes to the Pro. Basically trying to get sales from Pro owners without upstaging their platform too much. At least that's my impression so far.

 

[Gaiff]

Hmm not sure about that. Grounded could really use Pro enhancement and Sea of Thieves got a really low effort patch. I personally see MS as doing the bare minimum when it comes to the Pro. Basically trying to get sales from Pro owners without upstaging their platform too much. At least that's my impression so far.

Those games came out months before the Pro. Most developers didn’t even go back to do a Pro patch at all.

 

[lh032]

im playing mhwilds on my ps5 PRO now...


i love my PS5 PRO ffffffffffffffffffff

 

[thatJohann]

I’m on my 5th play thru of RE4 Remake. Such a beauty on the Pro. Gorgeous.

 

[viveks86]

Added Forza, Death Stranding 2, and Pipistrello and the Cursed Yoyo

The last and final update to the list, obviously?

 

[Wintereq]

PS5 Pro ordered. Will get it tomorrow. Can't wait to see Rebirth on it. It looked quite awful on my old PS5.

 

[Astray]

The last and final update to the list, obviously?

The Cerny army won't let HeisenbergFX4 get a break.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The last and final update to the list, obviously?

The Cerny army won't let HeisenbergFX4 get a break.

 

[FrankWza]

Any news on The Show 25 being Pro enhanced?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Any news on The Show 25 being Pro enhanced?

It 100% had the tag on the store but it got removed but that has happened with other games and the tag returned right at launch

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Why? Was anyone expecting them not to enhance it for the Pro?

They’re treating the PS5 as just another platform, not a competitor in this context.

So you expect Microsoft will support PSVR2 then?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

DS2 is going to look so sick on the Pro.

 

[Gaiff]

So you expect Microsoft will support PSVR2 then?

Do most publishers do? If yes, then sure.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Do most publishers do? If yes, then sure.

So you think we'll see Flight Simulator on PS5 and on PSVR2?

 

[Gaiff]

So you think we'll see Flight Simulator on PS5 and on PSVR2?

Is it confirmed for PS5? I don’t think so. I do think every Microsoft title will have a Pro version though. If the rumors of Gears and Halo are true, I expect Pro support for them.

 

[DarkstarRising13]

DS2 is going to look so sick on the Pro.

So true. The graphics for Death Stranding 1 were outstanding - and, remind you, that was made on a PS4!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Is it confirmed for PS5? I don’t think so. I do think every Microsoft title will have a Pro version though. If the rumors of Gears and Halo are true, I expect Pro support for them.

So if/when it's announced for PS5, do you think PSVR2 support will be included?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

So true. The graphics for Death Stranding 1 were outstanding - and, remind you, that was made on a PS4!

HFW looks insane on Pro and that was a game fundamentally designed for PS4. DS2 will be the first time we see Decima tailored for PS5.

 

[Gaiff]

So if/when it's announced for PS5, do you think PSVR2 support will be included?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Things always become "obvious" after the fact...

It was not obvious that Microsoft was going to support PS5 Pro with their own tentpole titles. It's a big deal and a major concession, possibly one with a long term plan to absolve criticism by regulators in the future or simply one with long-term ramifications.

 

[Gaiff]

Things always become "obvious" after the fact...

It was not obvious that Microsoft was going to support PS5 Pro with their own tentpole titles. It's a big deal and a major concession, possibly one with a long term plan to absolve criticism by regulators in the future or simply one with long-term ramifications.

I think it was always obvious. They’re already releasing the game for the PS5. Every major publisher’s AAA games have Pro enhancements now. If they wanted to avoid criticism, they simply wouldn’t have released it for the PS5 at all.

What good reason would Microsoft have not to do it?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think it was always obvious. They’re already releasing the game for the PS5. Every major publisher’s AAA games have Pro enhancements now. If they wanted to avoid criticism, they simply wouldn’t have released it for the PS5 at all.

What good reason would Microsoft have not to do it?

To avoid additional backlash from core Xbox consumers who will now feel like the PS5 Pro is a better console for them to own than the XSX if they aren't on GamePass.