weekend_warrior
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You know what's funny, Phelps has more gold medals then all but 12 countries.
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Dark Schala
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Blocked in my country but found another link. Thanks for the link, though! My dad and I just got finished watching it.
Dad's really big into the track stuff so we'll be up
DeathbyVolcano
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Little off topic, but I'm hoping one of the America's or Canada gets the games in 2024. Toronto or Chicago would be lovely.
Cameras at the finish line which are linked directly to the starting gun.
Dark Schala
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Toronto would be a little prepared since we're getting the Pan Am games in 2015 and they're busy constructing stuff for it.
Not sure if they're on time or on budget, though. Last time I drove past the UTSC Aquatics Centre and Field House, that thing was still a pit in the ground...
AdventureRacing
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Except that makes perfect sense. How many countries actually have conditions that are well suited to winter sports? Maybe i'm wrong but i dare say that canada would be one of the biggest.
Where did i say it's a linear line? I'm only saying that i would describe the impact of having over 10 times another countries population as having more than a small impact.
GDP doesn't tell you how the money is distributed though. Also i never said this was a black and white issue. I'd say that probably has to do with the fact that Brazil like many other countries are limited in which sports are actually appealing there.
That one example doesn't prove that population only makes a small difference. It only proves that the effect that population has isn't really evident unless the country also has the wealth to support it.
I don't think a country with 500 million people is 20 times more likely to win a medal than a country with 25 million. I do think that they are at a massive advantage.
Good Job Bob
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I hope Istanbul gets it in 2020, Madrid or Tokyo would be such boring choices.
So NBC made the last second move, realzing this will be the last time they will be All England Club for the forseeable future - to do the true FINAL edition of Breakfast At Wimbledon. Expect Tears, rememerances, ESPN backslaping. And all of the 80's Dramatisim as only the Broadway Boys can do it.
If any of them are doped, they are doped with some crazy next level shit that is invisible in the test and which leaves no typical outside marks.
But anyway
My Katie, what did they do to you!
Must be side effect of DOPING.
AdventureRacing
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Those pictures seem pretty misleading. Her hairline in the first picture already looked pretty far back and i dare say that if wet her hair and slicked it back like in the second picture than they wouldn't look all that different.
The Indians do hold 1/3 of the Guinness World Records.
No offends but India is kind of a freak show of a country.
Good Job Bob
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Pretty sure wet hair and exhaustion is a side effect of doping, not swimming 800m in a world-class race.
LizardKing
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I was only saying why the medals per population ranking was a poor way to rank. There are multiple factors, of which population is one.
perfectchaos007
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Hahahaha, so I guess the Murray v. Federer final is good enough to take off Bravo and on to NBC
seattle6418
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Why the fuck are people getting all mad that people are questioning Shiwen's achievements? Are we defending a totalitarist country that doesn't respect individual freedom and any for or shape of truth?
Of course they will always be questioned because of their history and what they did in recent past.
I mean, in the 90's they had something similar in women's swimming, then last month this doctor from their olympic teams comes out to say that dopping was the way to go when he worked...
For those who don't know, back in the 70's they decided to get togheter the tallest man and woman from China to have a baby. The Baby is former NBA star Yao Ming. This is all kind of ridiculous but it's a true story.
Off course this is going to happen everytime something out of the extraordinary happens.
It's not racism. Usain Bolt completely fucked up america in the two races the US most wanted to win and noody said he was juiced up. He's just (as far as we know) a freak athlete, like Phelps and others.
And any kind of dopping in a society that has a somewhat functional media is harder to do. US pride didn't save Marion Jones or any other Balco client. Not to mention the numerous MLB cases and so on. It's also a fact that you can manipulate people more easilly in a place where a dictatorship exists, so people can't contest anything that happens.
That's why people doubt Shiwen, or even better, doubt what they might have done to her.
Of course they will always be questioned because of their history and what they did in recent past.
I mean, in the 90's they had something similar in women's swimming, then last month this doctor from their olympic teams comes out to say that dopping was the way to go when he worked...
For those who don't know, back in the 70's they decided to get togheter the tallest man and woman from China to have a baby. The Baby is former NBA star Yao Ming. This is all kind of ridiculous but it's a true story.
Off course this is going to happen everytime something out of the extraordinary happens.
It's not racism. Usain Bolt completely fucked up america in the two races the US most wanted to win and noody said he was juiced up. He's just (as far as we know) a freak athlete, like Phelps and others.
And any kind of dopping in a society that has a somewhat functional media is harder to do. US pride didn't save Marion Jones or any other Balco client. Not to mention the numerous MLB cases and so on. It's also a fact that you can manipulate people more easilly in a place where a dictatorship exists, so people can't contest anything that happens.
That's why people doubt Shiwen, or even better, doubt what they might have done to her.
Hypnotoad
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Sorry, but calling China a totalitarist country (the right word is totalitarian, btw.) is exactly this cold-war mindset which discourages any discussion. Do you really believe China can be compared to Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and North Korea? Because those are totalitarian countries.
theignoramus
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it's a country with an impressive record of government sponsored shadiness, especially in its athletics program.
You know that those aren't the only totalitarian countries that have ever existed, right? It's entirely possible to think China is totalitarian without believing it's as bad as those countries.
orientalNoodle
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This post makes me want to vote Republican.
Lol oh wow.
Hypnotoad
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Yes, but those are the 3 prime examples. And to think China is totalitarian is pretty absurd and no ground for argument. There is a lot to criticize in China and it's certainly not a free country, totally filled with shady government practices, but it's pretty far from what is understood as totalitarian in political science. Unless you just want to use that word in whatever way suits you.
That's some fucked up story and you claim it's not racism? Fuck off. Seriously.
That's not how Yao was born. He married someone on the Chinese women's basketball team, too. It happens when you spend a lot of time in the same circles.
Anyway, here's the story of Ye Shiwen and what they did to her:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-oly-swim-china-yeshiwen-day-idUSBRE8710YR20120802
She's only been training and swimming with the sports school since 11, before that she did swimming after school.
Not that I believe his story, but how is that racism?
Premlims are for runners trying just to qualify for round 1. Bolt, Blake, Gay etc. are already qualified for the round 1 heats. Look at the times, the fastest I think is 10.29. Which we all know will get you smoked against this elite competition.
Folks. The Biggest Question you must ask is this.
Comcast uses Silverlight.
Cox Uses Silverlight.
God damn AT&T U-Verse uses Silverlight.
Does anybody in the Fighting Game Community remember how bad the live streams were on Youtube?
We all know Youtubes problems with video even with 1080p.
The audio is butchered. You dont put your semi-good stuff there unless you need stuff fast and dirty.
who the fuck uses Youtube to do all the work BBC Iplayer was rebuilt from the ground UP to do? WHO? When Silverlight was ment to do EVERYTHING BBC Iplayer can do. I mean as IT guy, im iffy about MS. But Youtube? God damn. Its ment to see what cat videos are up not a multi BILLION dollar project like this. UGLY. UGLY. UGLY.
Comcast uses Silverlight.
Cox Uses Silverlight.
God damn AT&T U-Verse uses Silverlight.
Does anybody in the Fighting Game Community remember how bad the live streams were on Youtube?
We all know Youtubes problems with video even with 1080p.
The audio is butchered. You dont put your semi-good stuff there unless you need stuff fast and dirty.
who the fuck uses Youtube to do all the work BBC Iplayer was rebuilt from the ground UP to do? WHO? When Silverlight was ment to do EVERYTHING BBC Iplayer can do. I mean as IT guy, im iffy about MS. But Youtube? God damn. Its ment to see what cat videos are up not a multi BILLION dollar project like this. UGLY. UGLY. UGLY.
Spreading & believing bullshit against one certain group of people because of some pretty obvious prejudice which isn't even true?
I just don't equate a story so goofy as to get the tallest couple possible together in order to manufacture Yao Ming with racism.
BravesCountry
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Hasn't it basically been proven that the a few of the Chinese gymnasts in Beijing were underage, and the government basically provided false records of identification for them to compete? I believe that the swimming accusations are unfounded but why would people think it is racist to question the achievements of an athletics program that has already proven itself to be shady?
There was one gymnast found to be underage, who competed in 2000, the team was stripped of the bronze, nothing from 2008.
BravesCountry
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After some quick googling, I found an interesting article on one of the girls from the 2008 team. I have absolutely no idea how accurate it is so it's not a definitive statement on the matter but it pulls up some interesting documents that are worth checking out. The article itself seems somewhat unprofessional but the documents are worth taking a look at.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flumenbaum/scandal-of-the-ages-docum_b_118842.html
What country doesn't?
Sounds like he should submit it to IOC investigators. If they were able to strip Yang Yun in 2000, why not here?
I think there's a greater history of shadyness amongst American Olympians, and more Americans have been stripped or DQed for doping than anyone else, even Marion Jones, who passed on drug tests but admitted to her doping.
I don't think the couple of incidents are enough to direct it at Chinese athletes, especially since I think many people think their programs are more centralized than they actually are. If they're able to link it to specific sports schools in China that are consistently shady, maybe there's a case.
demigod
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People on here and the US media are fucking hypocrites. Accusing/questioning Ye of doping but then go on to praise Ledecky and Franklin. Marion Jones anyone?!? The bigger issue at hand is the IOC making up their own rules and rigged refs.
talisayNon
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i still remember getting on the bus the next morning thinking wow, that shit was awesome. me and the other kids couldn't stop talking about it.
the only other time i felt that way was when ash caught his first pokemon.
killer_clank
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Women's Triathlon starting soon!
It's only Americans who can break world records with out doping
Americans have been the best dopers.
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