J Tourettes
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radioheadrule83 said:
I can't find that road on any maps.
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London riots spreading through UK
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I can't find that road on any maps.
zomgbbqftw
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Shit's going down somewhere in London...
radioheadrule83
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J Tourettes said:
It's not on google etc for some reason. It only opened in 08
www.pmra.co.uk/2010/.../lets-get-mary-neuner-rd-on-the-online-map/
The problem is that people don't fear the police anymore,with fear comes respect.
Teachers are pupils friends and social workers and the police are handing over responsibility to other departments.
I am not asking to bring back the days of smacking kids etc. but human rights activists have a lot to answer for.
I may sound like a craggy old man with a chip on my shoulder but things need to change no matter what the cost is.
All the police care about is improving on last years statistics but there's a difference between numbers and percentages. Catch 1 criminal out of 2 and that's 50% but a lot worse than catching 50 instead of last years 45.
Being British isn't something to be proud of anymore and I consider myself to be as British as the bulldog.
Teachers are pupils friends and social workers and the police are handing over responsibility to other departments.
I am not asking to bring back the days of smacking kids etc. but human rights activists have a lot to answer for.
I may sound like a craggy old man with a chip on my shoulder but things need to change no matter what the cost is.
All the police care about is improving on last years statistics but there's a difference between numbers and percentages. Catch 1 criminal out of 2 and that's 50% but a lot worse than catching 50 instead of last years 45.
Being British isn't something to be proud of anymore and I consider myself to be as British as the bulldog.
J Tourettes
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radioheadrule83 said:
Cheers, just by where my ex lives.
Monkeylord
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7aged said:
That's right. The building next to the current Oxford Street entrance (opposite the Cornish Pasty shop) is our site offices. I'm in a one of the portacabins bolted onto the side of that building directly above where the station building was.
I keep hearing more get closer, but they're obviously going a different route as they don't get within sight before they start fading into the distance.
Lots of activity though.
radioheadrule83
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There's been some rioting going on in China today too
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1146655/1/.html
First I've seen of that. Year of the riot!
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1146655/1/.html
First I've seen of that. Year of the riot!
zomgbbqftw
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radioheadrule83 said:
They'll probably break out the tear gas and water cannons.
Hopefully no tanks
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
zomgbbqftw said:
Could just be a precaution or a heavy pre-emptive response to something. I can't see anything happening in the next little while.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Deku said:
True, and more and more you're seeing it from non-ethnic issues and just people pissed off at officials. It's like the 1760s Boston Style method of complaining (which was riot, loot, and burn the governors house and tax officials property). Granted when you give no real means for redress, don't be surprised when it happens.
Monkeylord
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7aged said:
Nope, LU.
It's been quiet for a while now... eye of the storm?
anonnumber6
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That is interesting, 60% is quite a good for a state school especially as almost half of the students were on free school meals. My school was around 30% and fights were quite common, mostly between the Asians and whites from the estates.Meadows said:
SmokyDave said:
I can hear him now:
TURN IT OFF
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. THOSE POOR DISADVANTAGED SOULS
Also this helicopter has been patrolling over head since yesterday checking out the Dudley Road and Handsworth areas. Probably making sure things are ok and hopefully not because things are picking up again.
Hmm. So, gone from having something to lose to having nothing to lose.Osiris said:Actions have consequences
Gee, I wonder what the consequences of such a policy will be.
(Yes, yes, I know, he should have thought about that when he was looting, bleeding-heart liberal, kill them all and let God sort them out, etc.)
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Dambrosi said:
You use other benefits to pay for rent elsewhere (places that won't need an act of government for eviction), seek employment, maybe realize that actions have consequences.
I doubt they will have nothing and be dying of hunger on the streets.
To be fair I believe they rioted and looted under the premise they had nothing to lose because the state wouldnt consider taking their free housing away.Dambrosi said:
Now they do have something to lose and lost it. I suspect this is largely symbolic. To change expectations.
Im also not in favour of such draconian measures apploied en masse, as it dehumanizes criminals.
That said, Id gladly hear what you would like to be done to criminals who are living on the states dime.
HotHamWater
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@Meadows Alrighty then.
zomgbbqftw
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HotHamWater said:
zomgbbqftw
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iapetus said:
The difference between using capital punishment is that the final nature of it. There is no way to bring someone back from the dead if it turns out they were innocent. It's the reason I don't support it.
If an evicted person or persons were found innocent it would be pretty simple to rehouse them and compensate them for their loss.
Wrestlemania
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Not to worry, I'm sure making them homeless will ensure they'll end up doing something in the mean time which definitely will be considered justification for the eviction.zomgbbqftw said:
Ridiculous kneejerk measure. This will end terribly.
16.11 Richard Alleyne files on a defendant prepared for any evenutality:
A man apeared in court going equipped to steal just after the riots - with balaclava, rubber gloves and swimming goggles.
Levent Mustafa, 22, said they were to keep his face warm and he liked wearing masks.
The defendant, wearing a superman t-shirt in the dock, was arrested on Thursday in north London.
A man apeared in court going equipped to steal just after the riots - with balaclava, rubber gloves and swimming goggles.
Levent Mustafa, 22, said they were to keep his face warm and he liked wearing masks.
The defendant, wearing a superman t-shirt in the dock, was arrested on Thursday in north London.
Psychotext
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Many tentants sign acceptible behaviour agreements (specifically covering the behaviour of their children too) when they take on their housing contract. This will likely just be a case of them breaching that particular agreement.iapetus said:
Sure, it sucks for the kids who didn't commit a crime, no doubt. But what's the point in having these agreements if they're not enforced?
radioheadrule83
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On the eviction notices, its worth noting that the courts will be looking at persons' circumstances and the viability of applying an eviction notice...
as Manos pointed out, they could still claim Housing Benefit to rent another place, it just means they're not going to be able to rely on the good graces of local councils - and it means they have may have a landlord to be answerable to in future.
I'm not necessarily against the evictions as long as they're applied sensibly.
Couple of hypothetical scenarios: chucking a young family out who you have every reason to believe will just have less and fall into deeper desperation... obviously not a good idea. Chucking person(s) out who have been using the council like a crutch, are a negative influence on a given estate that you manage, and are proving to be a pest and a financial drain -- sure, maybe. Throw housing benefit at them, let them try their shit with a private landlord. People under 25 can only get housing benefit for bedsit accomodation or a room in shared housing -- so again, forcing them into such systems instead will force them to live and get along with other people.
as Manos pointed out, they could still claim Housing Benefit to rent another place, it just means they're not going to be able to rely on the good graces of local councils - and it means they have may have a landlord to be answerable to in future.
I'm not necessarily against the evictions as long as they're applied sensibly.
Couple of hypothetical scenarios: chucking a young family out who you have every reason to believe will just have less and fall into deeper desperation... obviously not a good idea. Chucking person(s) out who have been using the council like a crutch, are a negative influence on a given estate that you manage, and are proving to be a pest and a financial drain -- sure, maybe. Throw housing benefit at them, let them try their shit with a private landlord. People under 25 can only get housing benefit for bedsit accomodation or a room in shared housing -- so again, forcing them into such systems instead will force them to live and get along with other people.
Dambrosi said:
Nobody gives a fuck, I hope the blood sucking scum starves.
Until these lazy layouts prove they've been looking for work / training daily to no avail they'll get no sympathy from me. They might as well be clogging the gutter up, as there's plenty who deserve their house over them.
I've given it some thought, taking into consideration radioheadrule83's post above, and here's what I came up with:Deku said:
- Forced full-time education in lieu of benefits for ALL convicted offenders, regardless of age, instead of imprisonment. The goal is to prevent "prison rot" and save the taxpayer money, as well as giving the offender something productive to do with their "time"
- When they're not in school, force them to do indefinite community service for the duration of the sentence (ie, if the sentence is three years forced ed, have them also do CS for those three years). The goal is to keep them too busy/tired to re-offend
- Dress them in special, easily recognisable uniforms while engaged in forced ed and CS. Humiliation works wonders as a deterrent, as someone else in this very thread already noted
- At the end of their sentence, give them all the help they need to reintegrate into normal society (both monetary and infrastructure-wise)
...kitch9 said:
You're an arsehole. Nonetheless, I wish you a long and prosperous life.
zomgbbqftw
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Dambrosi said:
That's a fine list, but I am almost certain that there are human rights violations in that list. Right to a private life etc...
It would be enforceable with pre-1998 laws before the government pased the HRA. A lot of these solutions that people and politicians are talking about with contravene the HRA. The long term lasting solution for us is to repeal the HRA and replace it will a bill of rights that would suit our way of life better than a continental way of life
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