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Looks like the reports of the Switch 2 being a down clocked 3050 laptop equivalent appears to be true
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The exclusive Hylian Shield, Master Sword and Goron Spirit Ashes will bridge the gap.
James Sawyer Ford
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Buggy Loop
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Who says its a MONSTER? What is a monster for you?
Listen
For the 100th time
• Handheld ~PS4 TFlops with better I/O, modern architecture GPU and better CPU
• Docked ~ under PS4 pro raw power with again better I/O, modern architecture docked, better CPU and helped with upscaling in docked mode because you can live with powerdraw and TVs need it more than a 8" screen. Not plagued by fucking FSR pixel soup or checkerboard.
I've been saying the same shit for months now
How is that a MONSTER. It's a slightly better steam deck but without the I/O problems.
It's 2022 SoC handheld power that Nintendo has been sitting on. I'm fine with that. In the gen full of crossgens, its PLENTY enough. Everyone sees with their eyes how this gen stagnated for 5 years now. The "PS5" only games so far are games that would easily run on PS4 with a few tweaks but were mainly limited by I/O. Even Ratched and Clank rift apart looks amazing on Steam deck, but that one is I/O starved and hinders the experience.
kazuyamishima
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Damn, the fanboys are getting angry that other "fanboys" argue with them.
Small world huh.
Small world huh.
fran.fernandez
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Less than PS4 base
Mister Wolf
Member
Who says its a MONSTER? What is a monster for you?
Listen
For the 100th time
• Handheld ~PS4 TFlops with better I/O, modern architecture GPU and better CPU
• Docked ~ under PS4 pro raw power with again better I/O, modern architecture docked, better CPU and helped with upscaling in docked mode because you can live with powerdraw and TVs need it more than a 8" screen. Not plagued by fucking FSR pixel soup or checkerboard.
I've been saying the same shit for months now
How is that a MONSTER. It's a slightly better steam deck but without the I/O problems.
It's 2022 SoC handheld power that Nintendo has been sitting on. I'm fine with that. In the gen full of crossgens, its PLENTY enough. Everyone sees with their eyes how this gen stagnated for 5 years now. The "PS5" only games so far are games that would easily run on PS4 with a few tweaks but were mainly limited by I/O. Even Ratched and Clank rift apart looks amazing on Steam deck, but that one is I/O starved and hinders the experience.
The better CPU is why I think we will get a 60fps mode in Elden Ring. That alone will make it better than the Pro version.
PixelatedBeast
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The naysayers need to shut up. Dlss magic will fix this... I just know it.
//DEVIL//
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When that crap of a system plays Nintendo next gen games, we will talk.
the fact that it doesnt even play all the PC games is just pure garbage to me. but then again. I shouldn't be expecting anything from steam OS and a weak ass 3 years old system.
You can't defeat an emotional argument with logic, because they didn't get to that conclusion using logic to begin with.
James Sawyer Ford
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This assumes it's a CPU problem and not something else. Everyone thought that was the case in DD2, and it wasn't. And no, I do not expect a solid 60 fps for the Switch 2 or anywhere close without significant compromises
Who says its a MONSTER? What is a monster for you?
Listen
For the 100th time
• Handheld ~PS4 TFlops with better I/O, modern architecture GPU and better CPU
• Docked ~ under PS4 pro raw power with again better I/O, modern architecture docked, better CPU and helped with upscaling in docked mode because you can live with powerdraw and TVs need it more than a 8" screen. Not plagued by fucking FSR pixel soup or checkerboard.
I've been saying the same shit for months now
How is that a MONSTER. It's a slightly better steam deck but without the I/O problems.
It's 2022 SoC handheld power that Nintendo has been sitting on. I'm fine with that. In the gen full of crossgens, its PLENTY enough. Everyone sees with their eyes how this gen stagnated for 5 years now. The "PS5" only games so far are games that would easily run on PS4 with a few tweaks but were mainly limited by I/O. Even Ratched and Clank rift apart looks amazing on Steam deck, but that one is I/O starved and hinders the experience.
Like I said - we'll see! This will be a fun post to look back at and compare Switch 2 to both Base PS4 and PS4 Pro benchmarks. Your predictions look very optimistic to me.
NeverYouMind
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That would be wild. Switch 2 doing what PS5 Pro don't (if frame pacing and fidelity are not downgraded).
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Mister Wolf
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You don't think it's the CPU why Elden Ring is not 60fps on the PS4 Pro?
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Mister Wolf
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I meant PS4 Pro.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
I was going to ask if it's willful ignorance that compels folks to draw such disingenuous conclusions but after reading your post, I realize that folks are not here from honest observation and discourse.
James Sawyer Ford
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It’s just a poorly optimized game all around imho
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
custom chip
special sauce
maaaaaany third parties
break sales records
i am known for my predictions im sorry my friends nintendo is taking over the industries
special sauce
maaaaaany third parties
break sales records
i am known for my predictions im sorry my friends nintendo is taking over the industries
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
NateDrake says Nintendo Direct to be announced this week (confirmed)
Update: Now confirmed! Nintendo Partner Direct and Indie World show tomorrow. Reliable video game laker NateDrake has said on the Famiboard forums that he is expecting a Nintendo Direct to be…
mynintendonews.com
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Haint
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The node is immaterial given most people seem to be accepting the rumored clocks as confirmed. The overdosing on hopium surrounding 5nm was predicated on it allowing them to push clocks to the moon, like 1Ghz portable and 1.8+Ghz docked, which clearly didn't happen if the leaks are accurate. So now you'll only get better battery life if it's 5nm, and won't see a price drop or "refreshed model" for a very very long time (if ever). Node prices are only going up with the AI boom, and 3nm's certainly not getting any cheaper unless Intel's and Samsung's fabs pull off a miracle. Nvidia couldn't even afford to put their 200-500% margin GPU's on 3nm.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Aawww so cute
Again the tech illiterate thinks he understand anything from that video
Literally the leak from a week ago for GPU you dum dum
@ 561 MHz the 1.72 teraflops is higher than steam deck and with architecture difference much better than PS4 base's 1.84TFlops because it can't even do raster and compute concurrently.
Nothing changes since. Nothing from any speculations so far has changed from the 2022 leaks. Everything I said in that thread still holds and DF just reinforces the data we already know on the architecture.
AMD A9-9820 - Xbox One APU - Jaguar @2.35GHz - 294
IPC interpolation means
PS4 - Jaguar @1.6GHz - 200
PS4 Pro - Jaguar @ 2.13GHz = 266
A 3GHz A78 single core performance
Mediatek Dimensity 1200 - A78 @3GHz - 975
Switch 2 A78 @ 1GHz = 325
It would have to downclock to 615 MHz to match Jaguar PS4's 1.6GHz score. for single instructions per clock
You're telling me that the rumoured clock from DF at ~1GHz will make its IPC 1.63x better CPU than Jaguar in PS4 base and 1.22x PS4 Pro's jaguar clocks?
I'm sorry you don't understand these things James
Still the same thing as 2022. Like @Zacfoldor said, this is fucking groundhog day
~PS4 base TFlops in HANDHELD with much better modern features
~3.1 TFlops as per DF's docked 1GHz clocks
- A78 ARM CPUs. As shown above, IPC destroying Jaguar CPU and A78C which is the cluster for 8 cores is a special one for bigger L3 cache and better gaming performances. On top of these CPUs being optimized for AI.
- 12 GB vs 8GB.
- UFS 3.1 storage, a much more power efficient storage than SSD but similar speeds, ~2100MB/s read speed.
- New I/O from either Ampere or the rumoured decompression engine added in the chip.
- RT cores & ML tensor cores. ~100-125 TOPs with Tegra Orin's DLA. Which their "2050" doesn't have.
- Ada's gating backported (again from DF) which better optimizes the SMs for better occupancy.
Again, since you've been triggered with Nintendo switch rumours, I've been CONSTANT, Jan 7, Jan 9. I predicted 3TFlops in one, 3.2TFlops in another.
On top of avoiding stupid mistakes like PC handhelds like Asus Rog ally, chocking 8.6 TFlops with 102GB/s memory banwidth. Switch 2 has that bandwidth for 3.1TFlops. Feeding the usual Nvidia ampere 25GB/s TFLops & ~25GB/s remaining for CPU.
Handheld 1.7 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 67.5 GB/s → OH look, DF puts 68.26 GB/s
Handheld 3.1 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 102.5 GB/s → OH look! DF puts 102.4 GB/s
You want more examples of Ampere ~25GB/s per TFlops? Its really basic knowledge
3060 @ 12.74 TFlops for 360 GB/s → 28.25 GB/s/TFlops
3070 @ 20.31 TFlops for 448 GB/s → 22.1 GB/s/TFlops
3080 @ 29.77 TFlops for 760 GB/s → 25.5 GB/s/TFlops
3090 @ 35.58 TFlops for 936 GB/s → 26.3 GB/s/TFlops
wow
Oh look, we had this conversation!
And DF confirms exactly the design.
If you could actually have better reading comprehension than my 6 years old daughter, we wouldn't have this fucking groundhog day over and over
Darkness_Arises
Member
120 Hz AMOLED is available on basement bargain phones that cost around 150 GBP. I need it to replace the Switch so I will buy this console, but LCD in a 399GBP console is highway robbery and the epitome of cheapness. Well, among the big 3, Nintendo is the epitome of cheapness and penny pinching, so this is hardly unexpected. Since PS5 remote play and Steam Deck have me covered for 3rd party games, it will be a BC+Monolith machine for me.
Radical_3d
Member
I’ve been playing ER in a PS5 Pro and…
By the way, I assume this thing will have VRR and HDMI 2.1, right guys? It’ll lift a lot of work out of the console.
Mister Wolf
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I’ve been playing ER in a PS5 Pro and…
By the way, I assume this thing will have VRR and HDMI 2.1, right guys? It’ll lift a lot of work out of the console.
Just needs to beat PS4 Pro. People keep thinking I meant 5 Pro.
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Radical_3d
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40fps mode then. Ideal for 120hz displays. The only reason that I’d get a third party game on SW2 is portability, and I’m not expecting miracles there. But if you’re a Nintendo only owner that console is certainly open a whole new world of games for those people.
Esppiral
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Xbox One?
Kataploom
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Well, PS4 Pro is around GTX 1060, they manage to have downclocked RTX 3050 equivalent performance is still in the very optimistic assumption.
For you to compare, PS5 marks in real scenarios the that a 3060 (mostly) to 3060 To (absolute best case scenario in very well optimized games).
3050Ti is even stronger than Series S iirc, which imo is too optimistic for Switch 2 unless Nintendo finds a way to unlock all the performance in docked mode.
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LordOcidax
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When Nintendo un shows the games on Abril the crow serving here is going to be Epic 
BtW we had the same thread past week…
BtW we had the same thread past week…
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Skifi28
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The pro was in the 1060 ballpark. The 460 was a relic at that point, though I imagine this is what you meant.
Kataploom
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Oh sorry, I actually meant that one, for some reason I mixed Radeon 460, yet the point remains
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MacReady13
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I honestly could’ve give a fuck about specs. The wonders they worked on Switch was there for all to see. It’s ALL about the games so I don’t really care about the power of this unit. If I want power, I’ll play on my gaming PC.
Hayriko
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I think some really lowkey deep deep down hoped that nintendo will come with beast of a handheld lol.
Look what they've done with the switch so far, obviously almost all games runs like dogwater but the devs managed to get their game ported to it and that proves a lot already imagine the improvements we will get from the newer console
Look what they've done with the switch so far, obviously almost all games runs like dogwater but the devs managed to get their game ported to it and that proves a lot already imagine the improvements we will get from the newer console
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
When it comes to Nintendo, I do not give one toss about the specs. They will deliver great games. Even the Wii U was awesome for me.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
GTA6 will look interesting on this thing, if ever released.
The Famiboards analysis by Thraktor, that started the 5nm hype train, suggested possible clocks of 550 MHz in portable mode and 1.1 GHz docked. So if the leaked clocks are correct, I think reasonable Nintendo fans got pretty much what they wanted.
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SweetTooth
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Here we go
Tarin02543
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You will get V and you will be happy
LordOcidax
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You will get both and you will cry
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Nintendo is CHEAP + Nvidia doesn't care = Switch 2 specs.
Sanepar
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It is not. It is much stronger than a ps4. Ps4 is 1.8 tflops.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile Specs
NVIDIA GA107, 1343 MHz, 2048 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR6, 1500 MHz, 128 bit
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Go back to the first cards that supported dlss. They were always limited in what dlss could do, because of the limited resources. E.g. framerate & resolution limitations (stricter the smaller the cards got). You need some reasonable processing performance to even start. And even slower than the rtx 3050... you really don't want to see the results...
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Woopah
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It absolutely does have DLSS. It's going to do some of the heavy lifting here.
Let's not do that - we've had years of RDNA3 flopflation now - and it doesn't work like that. Ally is effectively 4TFlop hw - so the bandwidth constraints aren't really particularly different.
These APUs do choke a fair bit on modern SW though - on paper they should be running circles around Series S - but they just don't unless CPU limited.
The things where performance is unusually low is particularly any time you enable TAA (or any type of reconstruction), certain types of RT etc. We've gotten so used to MSAA being the 'low performer' compared to TAA, but not so much on these handhelds, it's the other way around. It's fine on most PS4 titles though (where you can often get double the framerate even at 15W at equivalent settings).
I wouldn't hold out too much hope based on other handhelds at the moment. The CPU advantage that x86 handhelds have isn't really there either in this case.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Guys, hearing the video, he seems to be saying 2050, not 3050. Where the 3050 comes from?
I guess you overestimating the Ampere architecture, that also started to double flop counts, which resulted in about 5-10% extra performance (situation based). This chip is small an lower clocked and therefore doesn't outmatch series s GPU performance. Especially as it has really low bandwidth. Yes the series s GPU is quite small, but this is even smaller and slower.
It was designed to be a mobile chip and therefore also has all the flaws a mobile chip has against a desktop GPU.
PonyStation4
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Weaker than the PS4 is crazy. This system isn't going to last 7-8 years
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I see Switch 2 as a decent console for what Nintendo needs and capable of PS4 ports and some PS4/PS5 cross gen games but generally not recent AAA proof or future AAA proof.
A litmus test will be how does a UE5 game look and run in handheld mode. I suspect it won't fare to well....
A litmus test will be how does a UE5 game look and run in handheld mode. I suspect it won't fare to well....
Darkness_Arises
Member
The rumored Elden Ring port will give a good idea with regards to the real world performance of the Switch 2 and T239.
Wolzard
Member
It looks very similar to the MX570.
Ampere Architecture
2048 CUDA cores
FP32 - 4.731 TFLOPS
Memory Bus - 64 bit
Bandwidth - 96.00 GB/s
Base Clock - 832 MHz
Boost Clock - 1155 MHz
www.techpowerup.com
It obviously suffers more due to the lack of VRAM.
Ampere Architecture
2048 CUDA cores
FP32 - 4.731 TFLOPS
Memory Bus - 64 bit
Bandwidth - 96.00 GB/s
Base Clock - 832 MHz
Boost Clock - 1155 MHz
NVIDIA GeForce MX570 Specs
NVIDIA GA107S, 1155 MHz, 2048 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 2048 MB GDDR6, 1500 MHz, 64 bit
It obviously suffers more due to the lack of VRAM.