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Mad Men - Season 7, Part 2 - The End of an Era - AMC Sundays
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You gotta wear shades.
Ignatz Mouse
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I don't know that that's true. Peggy wasn't as sexualized in the meeting with McCann earlier in the season, and she's a known star. Certainly she will lose some status, but she's a lot more of a survivor than Joan.
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Completely different topic, that I've been wondering about lately.
It's been said that the old Sterling Cooper was closer in size to McCann. How did Don rocket to the top of that big an agency so fast?
BertramCooper
Banned
Buddying up to Roger probably helped a lot.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I'm thinking it's that, it's being a darling of Lee Garner Jr, being legitimately great at his job.
Very lucky and quick ascent.
grounded_dreams
Member
Can someone make a gif of when Peggy was skating infront on Roger while he play is the organ?
Such a great scene.
Such a great scene.
Hahaha what a great episode.
Liquid Helium
Member
A running subtext of the series is that Don is in limbo, not just between two conflicting ideas/lives but in the place between heaven and hell were dead people are before they go to heaven/hell (or where Jesus was before he was resurrected). This is why he sees people who have died, he's must have seen like 5 dead people over the run of the show now: His father, his brother, Anna Draper, Rachel from season 1, Bert. The explanation for what literally happened is he was awake for too long and heard someone on the radio who sounded like Bert and so began to hallucinate him. Don Draper is actually dead remember, he died in Korea and now Dick Whitman is living his life, the life of someone who is dead but not really. At least that's my take.
chris121580
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That might be my favorite scene in the entire series. The whole episode was so good
grounded_dreams
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Cheers
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Some musings:
Joan's half-mil: Is that the whole of the sum she was to get, or is it just what remains for her? I don't remember the terms, if they got some up front and some later. If so:
- A half-mil is roughly 3 million today
- Hobart's payout would be 1.5 million
- Depending on how that's paid, a very large portion could go to taxes
- The 70s are here, and huge inflation is coming
So unless Joan already got paid some of that money, has tax shelters in mind, or invests wisely (real estate, at this time), she's really not going to be all that well off. She could probably retire if she lives modestly and did some of the above, but she's not going to be living the high life.
Joan's half-mil: Is that the whole of the sum she was to get, or is it just what remains for her? I don't remember the terms, if they got some up front and some later. If so:
- A half-mil is roughly 3 million today
- Hobart's payout would be 1.5 million
- Depending on how that's paid, a very large portion could go to taxes
- The 70s are here, and huge inflation is coming
So unless Joan already got paid some of that money, has tax shelters in mind, or invests wisely (real estate, at this time), she's really not going to be all that well off. She could probably retire if she lives modestly and did some of the above, but she's not going to be living the high life.
FlutterPuffs
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She's also in a relationship with a fucking rich bastard.
Anyway, I loved what they are doing with the last few episodes. Joan getting fucked by the glass ceiling is all too real and sad considering the period the show is set in.
Also they ended today's episode with one of the best songs ever. Ever.
Fantastic.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Just did a little looking, and I think the half-mil Joan is owed is the half of her share of SC&P she still owns. Roger sold 51% of the company, and presumably Joan saw a half-mil already.
So she's probably considerably better off than I was thinking.
Yes, but I can see that having problems, and it's a far cry from being independent, to be tied to yet another man for support.
So she's probably considerably better off than I was thinking.
Yes, but I can see that having problems, and it's a far cry from being independent, to be tied to yet another man for support.
I'm under the impression she has a good chunk of other money still. Something like another 250-500k.
snoopeasystreet
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The strangest part of this season is how quickly I've become accustomed to Rodger's moustache.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I just saw him in the "previously on" without it, and he looked weird.
Also, why do people misspell his name so often? It's "Roger." Not picking on you specifically, it's just always bugged me (like people misspelling "Skyler" on Breaking Bad).
But she's not?
She's getting, what, 250K? In 1970? She's set for life. He could leave her tomorrow and she'd be set for life.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Usually when watching a series with only two episodes left there is some indicator of where it's going. Then there's Mad Men. Aside from Joan, it seems that they're taking their time wrapping up any of these characters.
I both love this, and hate it. I'm afraid everything is going to be rushed to try and provide closure to the massive list of characters... that or we'll get a lot of "they worked at McCann and eventually died." Except for Harry Crane. He should get hit by a bus while walking and reading his precious data.
I both love this, and hate it. I'm afraid everything is going to be rushed to try and provide closure to the massive list of characters... that or we'll get a lot of "they worked at McCann and eventually died." Except for Harry Crane. He should get hit by a bus while walking and reading his precious data.
brianmcdoogle
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For all intensive purposes, I find it rediculous to call out peoples mistakes just cause they don't go to the liberry as often as you, so til you say sorry, i'm ignoring you!
I've known two people in my life, one named Roger and the other Rodger. Maybe it depends on what they are accustomed to? Skyler/Skylar, I don't know.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
See my post above. Depending on the details, she may well not be set for life. Taxes and inflation can really eat that up, and I don't think you can retire on 1.5 million (today's value of 250K) in your late 30s/early 40s. You certainly can't on the equivalent of 750K, which is what I assume she'd have if she didn't protect it from taxes.
However, I think she got another half-mil already, so she probably is fine.
Cornballer
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I just noticed on my second re-watch just how huge McCann is. Ted hinted toward McCann having around 40 head creatives, where as Sterling Cooper only had one (Draper).
I can't see any of these guys just following along in a large wheel like one of a million cogs. Not even Peggy.
I can't see any of these guys just following along in a large wheel like one of a million cogs. Not even Peggy.
VeryGooster
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This needs a "NeoGAF" at the end
Only if it's revealed as she rollerskates past it.
Seriously though, the Roger/Peggy scenes were so, so good.
Red Liquorice
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Such a great episode. I knew as soon as I clicked this thread the Peggy gifs would be out in full force!
it's..........................................beautiful
Amazing episode. This series is god.
Also, Don likes Diana because she's Don. The whole point of having him go to see her out in Racine was to show what happens after someone skips out on their family the way Don has threatened to like 600 times since the beginning of the show.
Also, Don likes Diana because she's Don. The whole point of having him go to see her out in Racine was to show what happens after someone skips out on their family the way Don has threatened to like 600 times since the beginning of the show.
Better than I ever could have hoped for. Sweet jesus.
BertramCooper
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It kind of reminds me of the original SC offices. Perhaps that's intentional.
You win the internet for today sir. Pat yourself on the back.
VeryGooster
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Beautiful
Dion Blaster
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Who tells Don that he "likes to play the stranger"? Was that Bert?
This episode really did feel post-apocalyptic. Everyone is separated and trying to gain footing in their new situations. The characters finding each other amidst the masses of unfamiliar faces and walls (Joan meeting Don in the elevator, Pete in the hallway, Don and Ted in the meeting, Peggy and Roger in the very dead SC&P offices) was like reuniting with family after disaster.
A few points I'd like to make:
- Peggy's sub-plot in this episode was the highlight for me. Beautifully done. Since the mid-season premiere, I've felt Peggy has been in the most well-crafted scenes and her development is better than ever.
- Roger went full Ray Manzarek and it was amazing.
- Peggy's "hallway walk" scene was ridiculously awesome. Drunk or not, it was like she was reborn in a way after her office moment with Roger. Tentacle Porn and all!
- It was most evident to me in the hallways of McCann that the 60s are long gone and the scenery is changing drastically. It was quite shocking and it really hit me in these moments that Mad Men is actually ending since we're no longer in the bright, colorful offices of SC&P.
- I'm running with the interpretation that Don's desire for Diana is more of a search for himself. I view Diana as a parallel image of Don. There's a million ways to interpret her involvement in the story but this is how I'm choosing to make sense of it. The ex-husband's comment about her "leaving trails of dead bodies" immediately made me think of Don.
- I'm curious to see what happens to Joan next. Where will she end up if she's no longer in advertising? Will the money be enough to sustain any sliver of happiness?
- The Kerouacian theme was pretty spot-on, if even a little on the nose by the end scene. But Mad Men is known for it's on-the-noseness. For a book that's philosophy influenced and related so much to the late-50s, early 60s world, it was perfect to use it here at the start of 1970 since the show is known for the 60s and now that that decade is over and the culture has changed, our characters are lost and without direction.
- Space Oddity.
A few points I'd like to make:
- Peggy's sub-plot in this episode was the highlight for me. Beautifully done. Since the mid-season premiere, I've felt Peggy has been in the most well-crafted scenes and her development is better than ever.
- Roger went full Ray Manzarek and it was amazing.
- Peggy's "hallway walk" scene was ridiculously awesome. Drunk or not, it was like she was reborn in a way after her office moment with Roger. Tentacle Porn and all!
- It was most evident to me in the hallways of McCann that the 60s are long gone and the scenery is changing drastically. It was quite shocking and it really hit me in these moments that Mad Men is actually ending since we're no longer in the bright, colorful offices of SC&P.
- I'm running with the interpretation that Don's desire for Diana is more of a search for himself. I view Diana as a parallel image of Don. There's a million ways to interpret her involvement in the story but this is how I'm choosing to make sense of it. The ex-husband's comment about her "leaving trails of dead bodies" immediately made me think of Don.
- I'm curious to see what happens to Joan next. Where will she end up if she's no longer in advertising? Will the money be enough to sustain any sliver of happiness?
- The Kerouacian theme was pretty spot-on, if even a little on the nose by the end scene. But Mad Men is known for it's on-the-noseness. For a book that's philosophy influenced and related so much to the late-50s, early 60s world, it was perfect to use it here at the start of 1970 since the show is known for the 60s and now that that decade is over and the culture has changed, our characters are lost and without direction.
- Space Oddity.
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I believe so.
Mr. Saturn
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I agree Pryce, but I hope he doesn't just abandon his kids though. I hope leaving just means not working there and not starting a whole new life somewhere else, although I don't know what the consequences for Don quitting his job when he has a contract would be? There's no way they can throw him in jail for that right?
In that case I could see him running away and starting over again unfortunately even if it meant abandoning his kids.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
The only kid we see him have much connection with is Sally, and she's gone.
The Atticus
Member
Don's gonna cruise around and run into Sally on a joyride.
Wait.
What if that's the last WE ever see of Don?
2 episodes of Roger
Wait.
What if that's the last WE ever see of Don?
2 episodes of Roger