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PhillipCostigan
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Iris Zero 4
You guys this is too adorable I can't deal---
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You guys this is too adorable I can't deal---
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
TheRealTalker
Banned
lives in a treat shop... stalked Raku to Highschool because she loves him... planning to tell him that since ch 1
she has barely any backstory to go by
PhillipCostigan
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Onodera starts strong-ish but there's no substance to her. Everything remotely interesting about her is revealed super early, and by everything I mean the 2 or 3 things. She sort of gets by just on her archetype because people think she's adorable, despite her being completely bland and uninteresting.
Like I'm not a big Haru fan but Haru's had as much as much backstory/character development in her 20 or so chapters as Onodera has in 100+. As a character Onodera's going nowhere.
Like, my love for tsundere ojou-sama girls aside, Chitoge's about 10x as interesting a character as Onodera. We've learned much more about her and she's shown far more growth as a character and more development in all her chapters.
We've seen Chitoge overcoming her lack of friends, dealing with her mother, recognising what kind of person Raku is and why she likes him, we've seen more about her story and how her family works.
Meanwhile Onodera is still humming and hawing about confessing to Raku, as she has been for 100+ chapters.
From a writer's standpoint and leaving waifu wars aside, Onodera is an objectively awful character, clinging on for dear life and should realistically have been moved to the backburner 50 chapters ago.
Like I'm not a big Haru fan but Haru's had as much as much backstory/character development in her 20 or so chapters as Onodera has in 100+. As a character Onodera's going nowhere.
Like, my love for tsundere ojou-sama girls aside, Chitoge's about 10x as interesting a character as Onodera. We've learned much more about her and she's shown far more growth as a character and more development in all her chapters.
We've seen Chitoge overcoming her lack of friends, dealing with her mother, recognising what kind of person Raku is and why she likes him, we've seen more about her story and how her family works.
Meanwhile Onodera is still humming and hawing about confessing to Raku, as she has been for 100+ chapters.
From a writer's standpoint and leaving waifu wars aside, Onodera is an objectively awful character, clinging on for dear life and should realistically have been moved to the backburner 50 chapters ago.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
From a writing standpoint, Onodera won't win because Onodera-route doesn't change the story for either Onodera or Raku because they already like each other. But its also a comedy-harem, so "nothing happens" is a valid, likely conclusion.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Shingeki no Kyojin
Dang Armin
you are one mental guy
lol at Mikasa saying I didn't raise him like that
Dang Armin
you are one mental guy
lol at Mikasa saying I didn't raise him like that
Wandering Son vol 1-2
There was a pretty nice article by Matt Thorn at the end of volume about LGBT life in Japan and how it differs from other western countries. Hopefully he does more of them for future volumes.
I sorta stopped reading this after volume 5 or 6 ages ago and I wanted to get back to it and continue reading it especially now that it's completed. Anyway, it's pretty good stuff, I'm pretty glad Takako understands that you don't need to fill your story with dialogue bubbles everywhere so there are lots of storytelling through art alone which is pretty great and makes rereading the older volumes goes much quicker by for me. I sorta have some issues with her scenes transitions, being too sudden and sometimes ambiguous, but not that big of a deal.
There was a pretty nice article by Matt Thorn at the end of volume about LGBT life in Japan and how it differs from other western countries. Hopefully he does more of them for future volumes.
I have complete faith it'll remember the roots planted in the Oneshot and finish things off properly.
dakkumauji
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Rip best serialized manga ever.
TheRealTalker
Banned
dakkumauji
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Crimsonlink
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You fool! How dare you make good points and try to ruin my ship!?!? >:|
You can't bring logic into a ship war.... ;_;
All jokes aside Onodera's past holds the literal key to which girl Raku made the promise to since Onodera did have the picture book that had the pages ripped out.
All the focus has been on Chitoge until recently which left little time to devote to Onodera's growth as a character. Marika got her own arc with her friend coming over and making Raku be her pretend BF. Then there are the filler comedy chapters with Tsugumi's mishaps.
Right now its Ruri and maybe Shuu who will get some development. The problem with Onodera is that if she confesses then the manga is over technically as Raku accepts or declines. [He accepts of course
] Chitoge, Tsugumi and Marika then has to react with their own confessions lol.thesaucetastic
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Soma 1-61
Well, this was great. I read the first chapter ages ago but dropped it when I saw the tentacle porn the first chapter. I should've stuck with it. I could care less about the dishes, because I can't taste them or smell them, I guess. It's still really easy to get caught up in the action though, even if they're not traditional battles. Great character development especially with Tadokoro, and I like how the flashbacks that elaborate characters' back stories don't last entire chapters like they do in other manga. My hope is that all of the regulars of the dorm end up in the top ten somehow. I'm pretty attached to all of them surprisingly, unlike the other side characters (though they're still good too).
Also Tadokoro is obviously best girl, Erina has no development yet.
Well, this was great. I read the first chapter ages ago but dropped it when I saw the tentacle porn the first chapter. I should've stuck with it. I could care less about the dishes, because I can't taste them or smell them, I guess. It's still really easy to get caught up in the action though, even if they're not traditional battles. Great character development especially with Tadokoro, and I like how the flashbacks that elaborate characters' back stories don't last entire chapters like they do in other manga. My hope is that all of the regulars of the dorm end up in the top ten somehow. I'm pretty attached to all of them surprisingly, unlike the other side characters (though they're still good too).
Also Tadokoro is obviously best girl, Erina has no development yet.
The pages being missing doesn't mean it's the one, is it? He rewrote the ending on the pages, not that the pages were removed. If anything, the pages being missing would make it more likely.
I wonder how Marika factors into this bit. Like Shuu said, she's hiding something about this.
friendships ruined over this.
TheRealTalker
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she herself ripped the pages to hind the truthYou fool! How dare you make good points and try to ruin my ship!?!? >:|
You can't bring logic into a ship war.... ;_;
All jokes aside Onodera's past holds the literal key to which girl Raku made the promise to since Onodera did have the picture book that had the pages ripped out.
All the focus has been on Chitoge until recently which left little time to devote to Onodera's growth as a character. Marika got her own arc with her friend coming over and making Raku be her pretend BF. Then there are the filler comedy chapters with Tsugumi's mishaps.
Right now its Ruri and maybe Shuu who will get some development. The problem with Onodera is that if she confesses then the manga is over technically as Raku accepts or declines. [He accepts of course
she is the antagonist
I'd say it's a fantastic series but how you enjoy the ending is going to depend on what you want out of the series. For what it's worth, the series' tone doesn't change and is quite consistent up until the end.
dakkumauji
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I'll catch up instantly if Nisekoi becomes a battle shounen.
PhillipCostigan
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You fool! How dare you make good points and try to ruin my ship!?!? >:|
You can't bring logic into a ship war.... ;_;
All jokes aside Onodera's past holds the literal key to which girl Raku made the promise to since Onodera did have the picture book that had the pages ripped out.
All the focus has been on Chitoge until recently which left little time to devote to Onodera's growth as a character. Marika got her own arc with her friend coming over and making Raku be her pretend BF. Then there are the filler comedy chapters with Tsugumi's mishaps.
Right now its Ruri and maybe Shuu who will get some development. The problem with Onodera is that if she confesses then the manga is over technically as Raku accepts or declines. [He accepts of course
People are of course allowed to like their waifus. Like I think Erina is best girl in Soma and she hasn't even really come in to that. We're irrational creatures.
I just wanted to say my piece on why Onodera is a poor character from a writing standpoint and should have been swept aside forever ago.
But as you said the confession situation etc. holds both her back as a character and the story as a whole. Author honestly just needs to find a way to write her out of it.
PhillipCostigan
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dakkumauji
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I feel bad for Mumei. He must be horrified wandering into the thread in the middle of our inane waifu war.
I'll have you know, I used to lurk MangaGAF. It didn't surprise me in the least.
And Dynedom, thanks.
PhillipCostigan
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but waifu wars are the best times of the day.
In all seriousness though I like that a meaningful conversation on the worth of a character can be had, as opposed to just "Onodera is dumb cos I said so lol".
At least I don't think that's what I said.
dakkumauji
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I think Walls of Wasted Words Wednesdays is worse.
One of the more enlightening Nisekoi talks we had so far.
Haha.
Unfortunately, I had nothing to add since I read like ... half of Blade of the Immortal and then flipped through the final arc out of curiosity. So I can't really say much on the back half of it quality wise.
thesaucetastic
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You fool! How dare you make good points and try to ruin my ship!?!? >:|
You can't bring logic into a ship war.... ;_;
All jokes aside Onodera's past holds the literal key to which girl Raku made the promise to since Onodera did have the picture book that had the pages ripped out.
All the focus has been on Chitoge until recently which left little time to devote to Onodera's growth as a character. Marika got her own arc with her friend coming over and making Raku be her pretend BF. Then there are the filler comedy chapters with Tsugumi's mishaps.
Right now its Ruri and maybe Shuu who will get some development. The problem with Onodera is that if she confesses then the manga is over technically as Raku accepts or declines. [He accepts of course
pls
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Could have let them as best friends.
Could have left them without any romantic hints between the two of them
But noooooooooooooo.
Now I have to deal with a losing Tadokoro later.
Could have left them without any romantic hints between the two of them
But noooooooooooooo.
Now I have to deal with a losing Tadokoro later.
"hahaha, lets go see what caused this."
*ten pages later*
"........................................................................."
dakkumauji
Member
Is it suddenly Sunday?
Why am I still here at work then.
Why am I still here at work then.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
She's female and he's male, it would have been, in reality, even more unrealistic.
PhillipCostigan
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Is this where I do a Scy and quote Mumei's tag?
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
With an avatar like that, you don't need a tag.
BassForever
Member
Onodera/Tadokoro fans have to hope for a harem ending for Raku/Soma or else they'll leave sad and defeated.
oh shit, I forgot my one job
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Tadokoro has a lot better chance than Onodera does, I'd imagine. Its not wrong that Erina basically hasn't done anything.
BassForever
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True, but Tadokoro is setting herself up hardcore to be friend zoned
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