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dakkumauji
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Boarding House Dorothy 06
Dorothy comes in kicking until the enemies cheat and uses guns.
Dorothy comes in kicking until the enemies cheat and uses guns.
So many characters. I have little idea who all these people are, aside from the mains.
It's better to hope and be disappointed than to never hope for anything~
It makes sense in context. Go read it if you haven't already. It's got romance just like you like 'em.
Man this thing sure is crazy popular.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Uchi no Maou Kamimasen yo 15
Satan part timing as Santa. Funny thing happen, except the last part, last part is cute.
Satan part timing as Santa. Funny thing happen, except the last part, last part is cute.
Yesss more Kase-san!
Wish they'd translated it faster though.
A new chapter? Nice. Here's hoping it won't take as long as the previous one to be translated.
striferser
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Oh nice!
Ojojojo is quite good. Enjoy~
Sakura
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";155652721]No matter how many facts and stats are brought up about scanlations hurting the manga industry, scanlation fans always find a way to stick their fingers in their ears and say,"That's not real evidence, scanlations are actually saving manga!" without backing it up.
Not once have I read anything in this thread from the many, many times this subject's come up that supports scanlation being positive for the industry that isn't total speculation.
I've brought up the inverse relations between manga sales and online viewers, quotes and interviews with people running publishers, shown the rates of publishers shuttering. But someone always comes in and is like, "But such and such wouldn't have been published if the online fanbase wasn't so strong! Probably!". "Scans force publishers to better themselves!"
At the end of the day, scanlation is piracy, period. It's not morally defensible, there's no ambiguity here. The only reason that there's so often an argument about it is because online scans are so prevalent and the hordes of people reading them want to not feel bad about themselves. Well, you don't get that option. Read online if you want, I'm not going to try and stop anybody. All I ask is stop pretending that reading scans is helping the artists making the comics.[/QUOTE]
Woah!
Just noticed that you replied to me.
I hope you weren't misunderstanding my post. I was not trying to imply in any way that scanlations are benefiting the localisation industry.
I was simply saying that by localising a manga that is already scanlated, and releasing your localised 'official' copies long after they've been in English, then you are playing a losing game. The majority of the people that would be interested in your product have already read it for free, and unless they were huge fans, they are not going to purchase it after the fact, that wouldn't make much sense for them.
If you are localising something super popular like One Piece or something that is a different story. But bringing over a manga that, well, isn't all that popular to begin with, and releasing it a year+ after it's already been scanlated, and then acting surprised/upset that it sells for shit, just kind of confuses me. It seems like poor business sense.
Take Yotsubato for example, now I'm sure this manga sells fine, I just want to use it as an example of slow releases.
Volume 12 came out in Japan in March 2013. The English version came out November 2013. Why on Earth does it take 8 months to release the new volume? Are they understaffed or what? I'm not saying release it day and date but come on. You are already caught up to the same number of releases by the time the newest volume comes out and it still takes you 8 months. Damn.
Yes scanlation is piracy. You are getting the manga for free. But that is not why western localisations are suffering.
Japanese people, can also, you know, download manga for free. Yet somehow, there are still tons of manga constantly coming out, and manga still sells.
Blaming the lack of success in the west on piracy/scanlations, doesn't make any sense. It is a service issue. You provide an inferior service, and surprise, you don't make money. Just because your competition may not be 'legal' doesn't mean you shouldn't have to work hard on competing with them. Some scanlation groups can translate a chapter, for free, with no official support, within a day of raws being available. Yet an official localisation/publishing whatever group, with paid staff, takes a whole god damn year from announcing they have gotten the rights to releasing the first volume? Step up your game.
Not once have I read anything in this thread from the many, many times this subject's come up that supports scanlation being positive for the industry that isn't total speculation.
I've brought up the inverse relations between manga sales and online viewers, quotes and interviews with people running publishers, shown the rates of publishers shuttering. But someone always comes in and is like, "But such and such wouldn't have been published if the online fanbase wasn't so strong! Probably!". "Scans force publishers to better themselves!"
At the end of the day, scanlation is piracy, period. It's not morally defensible, there's no ambiguity here. The only reason that there's so often an argument about it is because online scans are so prevalent and the hordes of people reading them want to not feel bad about themselves. Well, you don't get that option. Read online if you want, I'm not going to try and stop anybody. All I ask is stop pretending that reading scans is helping the artists making the comics.[/QUOTE]
Woah!
Just noticed that you replied to me.
I hope you weren't misunderstanding my post. I was not trying to imply in any way that scanlations are benefiting the localisation industry.
I was simply saying that by localising a manga that is already scanlated, and releasing your localised 'official' copies long after they've been in English, then you are playing a losing game. The majority of the people that would be interested in your product have already read it for free, and unless they were huge fans, they are not going to purchase it after the fact, that wouldn't make much sense for them.
If you are localising something super popular like One Piece or something that is a different story. But bringing over a manga that, well, isn't all that popular to begin with, and releasing it a year+ after it's already been scanlated, and then acting surprised/upset that it sells for shit, just kind of confuses me. It seems like poor business sense.
Take Yotsubato for example, now I'm sure this manga sells fine, I just want to use it as an example of slow releases.
Volume 12 came out in Japan in March 2013. The English version came out November 2013. Why on Earth does it take 8 months to release the new volume? Are they understaffed or what? I'm not saying release it day and date but come on. You are already caught up to the same number of releases by the time the newest volume comes out and it still takes you 8 months. Damn.
Yes scanlation is piracy. You are getting the manga for free. But that is not why western localisations are suffering.
Japanese people, can also, you know, download manga for free. Yet somehow, there are still tons of manga constantly coming out, and manga still sells.
Blaming the lack of success in the west on piracy/scanlations, doesn't make any sense. It is a service issue. You provide an inferior service, and surprise, you don't make money. Just because your competition may not be 'legal' doesn't mean you shouldn't have to work hard on competing with them. Some scanlation groups can translate a chapter, for free, with no official support, within a day of raws being available. Yet an official localisation/publishing whatever group, with paid staff, takes a whole god damn year from announcing they have gotten the rights to releasing the first volume? Step up your game.
What am odd crossover.
Not much, went to Nakano broadway today but wasn't feeling too well so didn't stick around long.
Mostly busy with work so I just pass by Akihabara/Ueno along the way home.
Trying to figure out where to go tomorrow.
That sounds about right for when the series started to go downwards. Yui herself has been mostly irrelevant too.
rrvv
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meet me in Odaiba~
That does sound somewhat tempting, if you're up for it PM me the details as to not derail the thread further.
Join us in the fun~
Hahaha what the hell.
Maybe AquaWateria can shed some light as to why this crossover exists.
Everything was danboard
A Huge Battleship
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Foreign Girl and Bouquet of Violets 1-13 (END)
[Generic MC] inadvertently travels back in time to Merrie Olde Victorian England, ends up living with a noble girl, and then does nothing of interest for 85% of the series. The laughable attempt to cram the 'plot' into the end chapters means that this was most likely guillotined. It's premature death isn't exactly a tragedy, since it was neither gripping nor had the engaging charm of something like Ms. Mayple's Afternoon Tea Time, but at the same time I feel like the revelations could've been somewhat effective if they'd been given a proper chance to bud and blossom.
Just post the gathering report and it'll be fine
But the pain of waiting for Kingdom each week is already painful to me, with Prison School it'll be unbearable
scaaaaaary ;w;
Still, what an odd crossover to make. I wonder what was their reasoning behind this.
Pain forges character. Just look at Andre~
Shokugeki no Soma 110 RAW
Hmm~
Freckles~~
You've got a point
But I don't have any money to trade on Masochism's Wall Street D:
Hmm~
Freckles~~
You've got a point
But I don't have any money to trade on Masochism's Wall Street D:
BassForever
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At what point does Negima stop being a "hilarious" harem rom com about an underage boy being hit on by high school girls and sneezing their clothing away and become more a serious story that ties into UQ Holder? I feel super awkward trying to read Negima because every other page has a panty shot.
Oh, and a non-JoJo Araki drawing I found at Nakano today.
The pantyshots never go away, even when the series starts being more a shounen than a romcom.
"It looks cool" would be my guess.
The pantyshots never go away, even when the series starts being more a shounen than a romcom.
Now I wish Araki draw Sengoku Era stuff full with JoJo pose.
Dammit.
I also want that now.
Araki should just draw everything.
rrvv
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Technically? Never
Sibersk Esto
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Kenshiro:
That Kenshiro is especially awesome, and fabulous, so doubly awesome.
That's so strange considering that late part1 Jonathan is essentially Kenshiro...
Yeah, Araki's artstyle in Phantom Blood felt very similar to Tetsuo Hara's. Crazy how much it evolved by the time it reached Stardust Crusaders.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think the funniest part about Nisekoi is that there are literally no other eligible men at the entire school. Its just Maiku, who basically nobody likes except the one girl who isn't hot for Raku (and let's be fair, she's probably hot for Raku also).
dakkumauji
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...I never knew I wanted that until now
Dedication Through Light
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So excited Doukyuusei is getting animated. Read it three years ago even. Hope it means more companies are looking into more BL works out there.
First time posting here, even though I've been lurking for a while
Negima never really breaks out of the harem rom com mold into a something like UQ Holder. Strictly speaking, 98.6% of Negima ties into UQ Holder, but is not essential in understanding what goes on in Holder, since Akamatsu had been doing an okay (not exactly perfect, but okay) job in trying to keep the story self functioning (even with all the shared elements with Negima) and the guest appearances from the characters from the older series get introduced with enough information that you get what role they are supposed to fill in Holder. So while you might not know the full back story of characters like Mana or Eva, you get told (and shown) what you need to know so that you understand they are strong and that they outrank Tota in terms of strength/authority and serve as his bosses.
Of course you'd be messing the full context of some select scenes (like Fate explicitly declaring that
or
) or not be able to pick up on minor guest appearances/name drops/magic techniques, but even those they are not important enough to be anything more than fan service for people who read Negima. If there is something important from Negima that gets mentioned or appears in Holder, chances are it will get some sort of explanation to justify its usage.
In short, if you are not enjoying/not comfortable reading Negima, you don't need to force your self through it to read UQ Holder, even if you'll not get the full context of the story. UQ Holder is after all a spin off rather than a continuation of Negima.
Negima never really breaks out of the harem rom com mold into a something like UQ Holder. Strictly speaking, 98.6% of Negima ties into UQ Holder, but is not essential in understanding what goes on in Holder, since Akamatsu had been doing an okay (not exactly perfect, but okay) job in trying to keep the story self functioning (even with all the shared elements with Negima) and the guest appearances from the characters from the older series get introduced with enough information that you get what role they are supposed to fill in Holder. So while you might not know the full back story of characters like Mana or Eva, you get told (and shown) what you need to know so that you understand they are strong and that they outrank Tota in terms of strength/authority and serve as his bosses.
Of course you'd be messing the full context of some select scenes (like Fate explicitly declaring that
his end goal is to commit complete genocide of all intelligent life in the universe
not saying who the person he really loved was
In short, if you are not enjoying/not comfortable reading Negima, you don't need to force your self through it to read UQ Holder, even if you'll not get the full context of the story. UQ Holder is after all a spin off rather than a continuation of Negima.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think a reader would understand basically any of the jokes or references in UQ without having read Negima.
e.g. anything about Negi, anything about Evangeline/Yukihime, the Magia Erebea power, the random girls who show up, Fate's relationship to Negi, etc.
You can just barely follow along the basic plot (since Touta himself doesn't know any of this), but its like half as interesting if you cut that stuff out.
e.g. anything about Negi, anything about Evangeline/Yukihime, the Magia Erebea power, the random girls who show up, Fate's relationship to Negi, etc.
You can just barely follow along the basic plot (since Touta himself doesn't know any of this), but its like half as interesting if you cut that stuff out.
Infinite Justice
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Given the Prison School reactions now the next few chapters should be really interesting.
Such a crazy series and 1000% better than that earlier smut series the author did.
Such a crazy series and 1000% better than that earlier smut series the author did.
AquaWateria
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