Either that or people who still think churches would be forced to marry gay/lesbian couples. Essentially the separate but equal crowd.
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Marriage Equality Heads to SCOTUS - Obergefell v. Hodges |OT| The Last Days of Murica
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Either that or people who still think churches would be forced to marry gay/lesbian couples. Essentially the separate but equal crowd.
Wonder what caused that spike between November '12 and March '13. Election backlash?
I am so very glad that Slate posted this (and had hoped someone would post it here). The story of the 14th Amendment's wording isn't well-known, and more folks should get acquainted.
One common counterargument we hear all the time against applying Equal Protection to marriage law or LGBT persons is, "that's not what the 14th Amendment was intended for - it was added in for the benefit of newly-freed slaves!" - an argument offered while omitting the fact that the language was very deliberately changed to be much more generally applicable. (It's been especially amusing to hear this argument coming from folks who usually favor a plain reading of the text.)
I bookmark very few politics articles, but this one's damn good.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
I suspected it'd be crazy. Damn nice. And the big NOM rally is tomorrow - fun!
My long weekend has been scuttled; a co-worker was rushed into surgery yesterday, so I volunteered to help cover; I'll still have Tuesday off though. And now I have advance approval for an entire week off in June/July.
Meanwhile, NBC has given a reminder on how Tuesday's timeline will unfold..
Still psyched that they've decided to provide audio on the same day. Nice move.
My long weekend has been scuttled; a co-worker was rushed into surgery yesterday, so I volunteered to help cover; I'll still have Tuesday off though. And now I have advance approval for an entire week off in June/July.
Meanwhile, NBC has given a reminder on how Tuesday's timeline will unfold..
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/how-keep-supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-arguments-n347861
Still psyched that they've decided to provide audio on the same day. Nice move.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gallup-poll-gay-marriages-domestic-partnerships-20150424-story.html
Congrats to everyone who hit their recruitment quotas!
Congrats to everyone who hit their recruitment quotas!
exmachina64
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Nice.
Sweet - you have a front row seat to the circus that'll pass by over the weekend! NOM will be throwing their big rally tomorrow. You should periscope/meerkat if anything interesting happens!I am number 38 in line. Whoo! Getting in for the full hearing.
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"Saving America"Sweet - you have a front row seat to the circus that'll pass by over the weekend! NOM will be throwing their big rally tomorrow. You should periscope/meerkat if anything interesting happens!
Guess I shouldn't have expected any less from Fox News.
EDIT - Just read the crawl. Now it's pretty funny.
EDIT: I should have read the text at the bottom.
FunkyPajamas
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I'm not even american (marriage equality is somewhat legal-ish in our country) and I'm looking forward to this. It'll be a great win guys, congrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnDgZuGIhHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnDgZuGIhHs
Just met the plaintiffs from Michigan, April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse. Definitely was the most interesting case at the district level because there was actually a trial with witnesses and other testimony.
And if you're wondering why there are no chairs down or people behind them, we had to move to the other side of the sidewalk because they were mulching the grounds.
And if you're wondering why there are no chairs down or people behind them, we had to move to the other side of the sidewalk because they were mulching the grounds.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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So once this shoe drops, what's the over/under on how long it'll take before polygamy rights get mainstream attention? It creates pretty strong precedent for the freedom of consenting adults.
Depends. There really isn't any polyamorous lobby in America. We're sort of seeing weed take the same path that marriage equality did -- state by state approach to build support and reworking messaging. Nothing like that exists for polyamory, at least not yet.
Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread but there's a referendum in Ireland next month on this issue, if it passes then marriage equality will be written into the constitution. Polls would suggest strong support and all the main political parties are supporting it, turnout is the only thing that could be a threat.
By the way, the rally was really...something. Lots of flawed logic and religion talk. The march actually ended at the SCOTUS steps, so quite a few walked past us as they trickled out and left. Quite a few stopped to preach and to try to convert people.
I mostly just told people to not bother because I'm not changing their mind and they're not changing mine. Also, since arriving last night, I have received nine religious pamphlets/tracts. I'm also wearing my cheese head (Packer fan) so been getting a lot of positive comments and support. The weather is shit, but it has been a wonderful experience so far.
I mostly just told people to not bother because I'm not changing their mind and they're not changing mine. Also, since arriving last night, I have received nine religious pamphlets/tracts. I'm also wearing my cheese head (Packer fan) so been getting a lot of positive comments and support. The weather is shit, but it has been a wonderful experience so far.
I think that's sort of where this is all going. At least, heightened scrutiny is.
Possible. I'm half expecting a concurring in part opinion from Roberts, if that's the case. Not sure how much animus will play into it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The NO campaign posters are - not surprisingly - awful:
http://www.demotix.com/photo/7426269/vote-no-gay-marriage-referendum-campaign-posters-dublin
Same-sex adoption passed a few weeks ago, so most of the NO campaign talking points are moot.
Yup. For any politicians hoping that this arena of issues goes away in June, they're severely deluding themselves.
Bobby Jindal appears to be ready to drive our state's economy over a cliff for this issue, and who knows what Texas or Alabama (Roy Moore!) will do in response.
ScottSullivan
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I hope this case works out for the best, but I couldn't help but have a sensible chuckle at the names involved that will live on through american history.
"Today where are learning about the great historical supreme court cases everyone. We'll be discussing Brown vs THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, Dred Scott vs Sandford...aaaaaaaaaand Obergefell vs hodges...
Very important case but it doesn't exactly have that epic ring to it like some of the others heh.
"Today where are learning about the great historical supreme court cases everyone. We'll be discussing Brown vs THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, Dred Scott vs Sandford...aaaaaaaaaand Obergefell vs hodges...
Very important case but it doesn't exactly have that epic ring to it like some of the others heh.
makingmusic476
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Somebody should stand next to them with a picture of a same sex couple and their adopted children that says "Children deserve parents, not no mother or father at all."
Such deplorable assholes.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with Jindal. I used to think even the most ideologically driven Republican would have to have some bit of pragmatism within them that'd come out while controlling an executive branch of government, but he just seems fucking nuts.
RustyNails
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This is causing me anxiety. What does smart money say on where Roberts will lean?
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I think Roberts will side with marriage equality, but I think it will be moot because I think Kennedy will as well.
The problem is that many of the legal rights bundled up in marriage are binary in nature (power of attorney, primary beneficiary of your estate, etc). The concept of affirming your love to multiple people isn't the problem, it's the incompatibilities with legal statuses associated with the marriage contract.
Melting pot, my man.
Can't wait for marriage equality in Texas and Louisiana, and everywhere else. Not there yet, but good days ahead.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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That's hardly a big roadblock. It'll be a good semantic hammer for assholes fighting against such rights, but in practical terms, it wouldn't be THAT hard to figure such things out, or to find ways to leave them open to let every group figure out their situation for themselves.
Anyway, icarus makes a good point. The right will continue to pander to their ever-shrinking base by finding loopholes and creating seemingly "reasonable" restrictions that don't do much but make life harder for the people these decisions are meant to protect in the first place.
It's raining really hard now. Very miserable. Supposed to rain until at least 1AM.
Here's my view from under my tarp.
Eh, a few things. First, I've always been interested in history and government. I actually work in state government. Because of poor decisions, I wasn't allowed to go to DC on our 8th grade trip. I finally made it out here last August, 32 years old then (long after 8th grade). When I came out last year, they had the courtroom closed because they were ripping it apart for deep cleaning. Still had a great time, but didn't get to see the courtroom. The judicial branch has always been my favorite, of the three. Was pretty disappointing.
I've been following every marriage case since DOMA/Prop 8. I didn't have plans for my vacation time this year and I knew this was coming. As soon as they announced the oral arguments date, I booked my flight. This will probably be the biggest civil rights case of my lifetime. Three birds with one stone: see the courtroom, attend a SCOTUS oral argument, and witness the possible apex of the gay marriage issue.
I'm not gay, but I've been a fierce advocate for gay rights since I became interested in politics. In 2006, I did a bunch of phone work trying to get people to vote against the Wisconsin constitutional amendment (didn't pan out, obviously).
In terms of updates, sure, I can keep posting up through the oral arguments on Tuesday and my thoughts after, but that's about it. To be frank, I really just want to witness any SCOTUS oral argument. It could be something ridiculously boring and I'd still thoroughly enjoy it.
Here's my view from under my tarp.
Eh, a few things. First, I've always been interested in history and government. I actually work in state government. Because of poor decisions, I wasn't allowed to go to DC on our 8th grade trip. I finally made it out here last August, 32 years old then (long after 8th grade). When I came out last year, they had the courtroom closed because they were ripping it apart for deep cleaning. Still had a great time, but didn't get to see the courtroom. The judicial branch has always been my favorite, of the three. Was pretty disappointing.
I've been following every marriage case since DOMA/Prop 8. I didn't have plans for my vacation time this year and I knew this was coming. As soon as they announced the oral arguments date, I booked my flight. This will probably be the biggest civil rights case of my lifetime. Three birds with one stone: see the courtroom, attend a SCOTUS oral argument, and witness the possible apex of the gay marriage issue.
I'm not gay, but I've been a fierce advocate for gay rights since I became interested in politics. In 2006, I did a bunch of phone work trying to get people to vote against the Wisconsin constitutional amendment (didn't pan out, obviously).
In terms of updates, sure, I can keep posting up through the oral arguments on Tuesday and my thoughts after, but that's about it. To be frank, I really just want to witness any SCOTUS oral argument. It could be something ridiculously boring and I'd still thoroughly enjoy it.
You are a gentleman and a scholar, dear sir! It is awesome to have a Gaffer there doing some frontline reporting. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.
I'll be able to post more in the morning. Everyone is very good in the line. I'll have more details about the people, including all the people that are just place-holding spots. I brought a solar charger that gives me a full phone charge. Will be going to Starbucks in the morning for an hour to charge my phone and the charger. My phone isn't doing so hot, at the moment.
All of that said, and sorry for the bump, here's a picture of me. Being from Wisconsin, I brought my cheesehead (worn it to four Packer games!). I brought along five pounds of teriyaki jerky I smoked myself on Thursday and some 10 year Hook's aged cheddar, because I'm from Wisconsin, AMIRITE? I walked down the line and gave out cheese and meat earlier today. The cheese is amazing. Its my favorite, after Hook's 12 year aged cheddar. Sogood.gif. highly recommend it.
Tons of people have walked past with supportive comments since Thursday night. Seriously, I am actually tearing up right now because it's so awesome how so many random passing people have been amazing.
My only regret is that I didn't think of spray painting my cheese head rainbow, like the pride flag, until now. I might still do this tomorrow since there's a Walmart that is pretty close to the Capitol.
All of that said, and sorry for the bump, here's a picture of me. Being from Wisconsin, I brought my cheesehead (worn it to four Packer games!). I brought along five pounds of teriyaki jerky I smoked myself on Thursday and some 10 year Hook's aged cheddar, because I'm from Wisconsin, AMIRITE? I walked down the line and gave out cheese and meat earlier today. The cheese is amazing. Its my favorite, after Hook's 12 year aged cheddar. Sogood.gif. highly recommend it.
Tons of people have walked past with supportive comments since Thursday night. Seriously, I am actually tearing up right now because it's so awesome how so many random passing people have been amazing.
My only regret is that I didn't think of spray painting my cheese head rainbow, like the pride flag, until now. I might still do this tomorrow since there's a Walmart that is pretty close to the Capitol.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Sounds like a very interesting experience!
Oh, wow. I just a pretty good discussion with a guy that told me he came down because he saw me. I wanted to know what show, and he could only tell me it was an AM show.
A guy from NPR just went down the line interviewing those that would let him. I think he said they would only be using one or a few people, so I would doubt my story or answers would be compelling wnoihj for that.
Someone tweeted that people were hungry and one of his followers had 10 pizzas delivered from Dominos. An adorably little lady was here this morning handing out little packets of peanuts and m&ms. There was a little heart sticker on it to close.
I drank some whiskey last night because the rain was miserable. I think I then made an ass out of myself when I met three suits from HRC (Human Rights Campaign). They seemed interested and I got pretty passionate with all kinds of high ideals, and shit.
And holy fuck, Kris Perry and Sandy Stier just came by and they baked us brownies! I've already met several plaintiffs from the involved states.
The bar line for the lawyers formed this morning, all paid placeholders, I assume. Everyone has been amazingly friendly. I met a group from Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. It has all been pretty amazing, so far.
A guy from NPR just went down the line interviewing those that would let him. I think he said they would only be using one or a few people, so I would doubt my story or answers would be compelling wnoihj for that.
Someone tweeted that people were hungry and one of his followers had 10 pizzas delivered from Dominos. An adorably little lady was here this morning handing out little packets of peanuts and m&ms. There was a little heart sticker on it to close.
I drank some whiskey last night because the rain was miserable. I think I then made an ass out of myself when I met three suits from HRC (Human Rights Campaign). They seemed interested and I got pretty passionate with all kinds of high ideals, and shit.
And holy fuck, Kris Perry and Sandy Stier just came by and they baked us brownies! I've already met several plaintiffs from the involved states.
The bar line for the lawyers formed this morning, all paid placeholders, I assume. Everyone has been amazingly friendly. I met a group from Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. It has all been pretty amazing, so far.
I think it's about letting gay couples having children through surrogacy?
Aw crap, I found the video. They showed us as the opening for the Tony Perkins interview. Fuck you, Bob Schieffer.
https://youtu.be/Zqed3gIA114
https://youtu.be/Zqed3gIA114
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The same reason some counties in red states that had their SSM bans overturned are now not issuing marriage licenses to anyone. They're so determined to prevent gay couples from having rights, they're willing to screw over everyone else in the process.
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