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Marvel Legacy: Spider-Man goes back to basics (spoilers)
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Duane Cunningham
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Well, college you mean, not high school.
exmachina64
Banned
Don't worry, they'll be back to new #1s next year.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Did you miss the thread where everyone lost their shit at an Elseworld story where Batman is evil?
RedHoodedOwl
Member
The guy also ruined Ben Reilly.
Parker Industries was a bad idea so I'm glad it's going away. Peter wasn't the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man anymore and basically replaced Iron Man. The concept takes Peter out of New York in favor of making him an international hero that arguably wasn't street level.
Bendis has been writing Spider-Man since 2000.
You say that like the book won't double ship at times lol.
That's probably what it is.
Only one of those is synergy lol.
IrishNinja
Member
i mean
this event is literally about them not doing that for a while
also this, comics fans are the worst
i'm treating it like bad fanfic in my head - better ben stay dead than this
like even bendis didn't screw the pooch this hard
Frozenprince
Banned
Will never forgive them for that. Would rather he have just been dead.
Speaking of venom... what happened to
?
Marvel and these pointless retconning have to stop. I am tired and sick of Marvel with their back to basics bullshit. Why does Peter
For what? Let him continue to live
We've had 20+ years
Is
a part of this?
Is
a part of this?
agent venom
Marvel and these pointless retconning have to stop. I am tired and sick of Marvel with their back to basics bullshit. Why does Peter
have to lose his company?
the rich life and craft stories around it.
of old ramen lights barely on struggle Peter Parker stories. Give him the money and let him use his powers in new ways with new tech.
Is
Miles
Is
Ms. Marvel
I wasn't a fan of Peter running a multinational corporation but at the same time didn't want to see him regress and doing the same old shit because tradition.
Honestly I just want Marvel get some sense and undo the crap that is "One More Day" as it's a stain in Spider-Man history and really erasing his marriage to Mary-Jane changed nothing thus leaving me ask the question;
"What was the point of undoing the marriage, if no story after that point took advantage of it?"
Also Slott really needs to hang up his pen as I really don't like his writing style for Spider-Man and I feel that we need flesh blood to really shake up the Spider-Man world.
I mean I liked Spider-verse but Morlun was a much cooler and menacing villain when you knew very little about him.
Honestly I just want Marvel get some sense and undo the crap that is "One More Day" as it's a stain in Spider-Man history and really erasing his marriage to Mary-Jane changed nothing thus leaving me ask the question;
"What was the point of undoing the marriage, if no story after that point took advantage of it?"
Also Slott really needs to hang up his pen as I really don't like his writing style for Spider-Man and I feel that we need flesh blood to really shake up the Spider-Man world.
I mean I liked Spider-verse but Morlun was a much cooler and menacing villain when you knew very little about him.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Quoting my rant from another thread several weeks ago, because it's relevant to this thread (but short answer is, big ol' reset button on Venom too):
styl3s
Member
A lot of people don't care for Miles including myself. I would rather have scrappy Parker because that's what i grew up with, it's like comfort food for me and many others.
As for resets you have to have them because comic book movies are the biggest fucking things out and with every new comic book new it potentially brings in new fans and new fans don't want to start reading at #754. It's been like this for a long time you either accept it or stop reading.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Future Foundation
Member
And this is why comic threads in OT aren't ever going to improve.
The same people who cry about "things being the same" either don't read those books that actually experiment or foam at the fucking mouth whenever an attempt pops up.
Hell, Slott made a pretty fucking major status quo-shifting move with Spider-Man - and got shit for it from people who wanted the old Parker back. Hell, the GAF thread about that sounds a lot like the ones we see now, right down "this is why I don't/haven't read comics".
Slott got death threats over that.
No matter what you're going to have people upset for various reasons.
The Silver
Member
All I know is, if Rightclops is ever reverted back to boyscout who's one drunken night away from getting cucked by Jean, Marvel will be dead to me.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Yeah, but fuck me is Tradd Moore's art fantastic. I'm part of the problem
Wow, I wasn't familiar with him but yeah his Instagram art is nuts. I read everything on Marvel Unlimited, so on my 6 months behind planet, Sandoval is still drawing it.
Constant renumberings are even worse
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, DD got his identity hidden again, too - because no one seemed to know what to do after Waid's run. i hate these things too, bu i gotta say: pretty much most things they've done since leaving the mansion (Messiah War onward) has felt like one big mistake to me, to the point where the x-men are just as easily forgettable for me as we know marvel wants them to be.
now, Old Man Logan going away for 616 wolvy is gonna piss me right off.
amen
no one likes books with 12 volumes of 12 issues each
Better to make things as hard to follow as possible.
The Daredevil book did a good job justifying him getting his secret identity back and the other changes from the Waid run.
The real life reason iirc is that as a lawyer Soule didn't think a known vigilante operating as one made much sense. I may be getting that mixed up with another detail though.
Every year is bad, but I wouldn't care if they reset every 50 - 100 issues.
But going from number 30 something to 780 something is the absolute worst thing.
This sounds so bad... If they want to maintain a theme for specific heroes, how about passing down the mantle to a new character who fits that theme? We already have Miles Morales, but I mean like every 10 years they get a new plucky teenager who is trying to learn that "with great power comes great responsibility" and happens to have spider-themed powers. Peter Parker needs to move on with his life.
They've done stuff similar to that. The goal of this seems to be bringing the character to a more familiar setting with some of his older supporting cast.
They aren't going to dump iconic characters like and there are comic fans who won't accept Miles, let alone someone new every decade.
IrishNinja
Member
you're right that it's why he put the cat back in the bag, but i didn't think using the purple kids to basically One More Day DD was so great - it was far less upsetting than mephisto but no less forced. really, that & the current arc have been the highlights of his run - he started out with a really shitty new villain in tenfingers, and Muse was alright but just there to maim blindspot.
honestly, following the incredible run of bends > burbaker > waid it's been a drop off, and im hopeful for a new creative team after the shift. speaking of, we really need to hear more about creative teams, this thread only tells me Slott is staying.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
We're getting new creative team announcements every weekday.
I don't see Soule leaving because he's still early into his run.
IrishNinja
Member
are we? what have i missed so far
and normally id be bummed to here soule's staying on but again, current arc gives promise - just wish lemire had stayed on moon knight
hopefully spider man: chapter one scared them off this kind of idea
I agree with this. I just do not want to see Peter regressing.
Being the editor or having a position of authority is great though.
The important thing is that Peter should no longer be living the struggle life. There are plenty of other heroes--some of them spiders--than can do that more convincingly.
PaulExcellent
Member
I've really been thinking about this whole thing and it's obvious no one has any clue on what to do with Peter unless he's in poverty cause woo.
Here's an easy progression to do:
Peter fights Doc Ock, beats him, but agrees that he can't keep being a CEO and Spidey at the same time. He admits to Otto that it's his company and that he can have it, but he's gotta help peeps and what not. (Like he wanted to in Superior). Mutual understanding, etc. (Also Peter was AWFUL at Parker Industries. Like, legit bad)
Peter goes back to NY, doing what he does, living well off but not a millionaire. Realizes that as Spiderman he can do a lot of good, but maybe he can help the younger generation and become the leader he's always been meant to be. So he helps the Champions/whatever team and becomes a teacher to them while still being a chemist or whatever the fuck else he wants. (Make him work as the CEO of the Daily Bugle if you gotta. But don't)
You get the Superior Otto (hell, make him Superior Spidey, IDGAF) happy and actually doing good shit, so Slott is happy.
You get a Peter that learned from his mistakes, a more mature leader, and someone that the young heroes can look up to instead of a Nazi or a hologram drunk. Hell, connect the Spider-Men II event and make Peter realize he CAN step up and be a leader then.
You get more down-to-Earth Spidey while still having him open for crossovers and what not. He can fight crime without being a "menace" again or what not.
Done.
>.>
Here's an easy progression to do:
Peter fights Doc Ock, beats him, but agrees that he can't keep being a CEO and Spidey at the same time. He admits to Otto that it's his company and that he can have it, but he's gotta help peeps and what not. (Like he wanted to in Superior). Mutual understanding, etc. (Also Peter was AWFUL at Parker Industries. Like, legit bad)
Peter goes back to NY, doing what he does, living well off but not a millionaire. Realizes that as Spiderman he can do a lot of good, but maybe he can help the younger generation and become the leader he's always been meant to be. So he helps the Champions/whatever team and becomes a teacher to them while still being a chemist or whatever the fuck else he wants. (Make him work as the CEO of the Daily Bugle if you gotta. But don't)
You get the Superior Otto (hell, make him Superior Spidey, IDGAF) happy and actually doing good shit, so Slott is happy.
You get a Peter that learned from his mistakes, a more mature leader, and someone that the young heroes can look up to instead of a Nazi or a hologram drunk. Hell, connect the Spider-Men II event and make Peter realize he CAN step up and be a leader then.
You get more down-to-Earth Spidey while still having him open for crossovers and what not. He can fight crime without being a "menace" again or what not.
Done.
...who's gonna be writing Moon Knight now?
>.>
aw fuck, this pains me
I trade wait so I don't keep up with what's going on but lemire's moon knight has been so good
laura wont dissapear. she may not be wolverine, but she isnt a discardable character anymore. gabby on the other hand may be lost
https://www.newsarama.com/35192-marvel-legacy-solicitations.html
If you want to believe the rumors, don't expect much change in creative teams until after Legacy.
We don't know if he'll be struggling like that. I wish the Big Time status quo stuck around longer.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Someday Dick will have a son and he will be a new Robin. And somehow Batman still will be 30 years old.
Good point!
he probably already does. but hey, like father like son
Bruce has been deaged like three times in the past decade.
The fact that it's something they do for a few titles in a long time span says renumbering is still worse.
We got 2 (or more) #1s for Silk, Howard the Duck, Ms. Marvel, Rocket, ASM, Thor, Iron Man, Cap, GOTG, Avengers, New Avengers, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Captain Marvel and that's off the top of my head.
Legacy renumberings are the lesser of two evils.
UnemployedVillain
Member
I think people want true consistent progression for character stories, not reboots and alt reality what-if stories
IrishNinja
Member
we don't know yet, but i wish we did - he's not in the solicits linked on this page
same
plan on buying he & ellis' run in trades soon
yeah, im looking for those post legacy ones - so october or so like usual, yeah?
also funny how most stuff is renumbering but the x-men books
This is my problem with comics. Why can't they let major characters truly move on to a new status quo without resetting everything? Give them a son or daughter and build them up as the new stars, inherent the books, whatever, but please stop taking the same person back to an ancient setup all over again. It's cyclical to the point of nausea and boredom.